These make the truthers look sensible

And why wouldn’t a flat earth disc collapse into a sphere?

Don’t try and apply reason or logic to anything they claim. Gravity is “just a theory” and doesn’t exist either – things fall due to “density and buoyancy” apparently. No further explanation required, just “density and buoyancy”. So the disc collapsing into a sphere is just nonsense and you must either be a retard or a shill.

Told you. Before you know it you will be watching two hour YouTube videos in slack-jawed wonderment.

I can’t get over the sun as laser beam fallacy, which is the fundamentals of their problems. It kind a makes me want to vomit, so no, I refuse to watch any further and retract my intention to join them.

I’ve wasted hours of my life trying to reason and discuss their explanations with them but in a similar way to the WTC conspiracy stuff on the other thread, it’s ultimately pointless. They’ve made their mind up and desperately grasp at anything to make their model work and if they can’t the subject gets changed or they resort to ad hominem waffle. Neither are you starting from the same point with what is generally regarded as logic, reason or what can be accepted as ‘evidence’ or ’empirical’.

I think the best one I saw was to ‘prove’ that the earth was flat, a guy poured a jug of water over a basket ball and demonstrated that the water doesn’t stick to it like the shills say the oceans stick to the globe.

did you see this?
https://www.indy100.com/article/flat-earth-conspiracy-theorist-spirit-level-plane-prove-curvature-7746121

did you see this?

Oh, don’t. I’ve got work to do…must resist…must resist…

There’s a meme that gets posted up making some nonsense point about the sun or something but it’s taken at relatively high altitude with the plane’s wing in the foreground and the curvature of the horizon clearly visible. That bit gets totally ignore in this photo though as it’s ‘proving’ the nonsense about the sun so the horizon is now apparently irrelevant. Like I said, until you can level with them about what is logic and reason (and you can’t), you won’t get anywhere.

From Facebook just now,

Flat Earthers from around the world descend upon NC for convention

a guy poured a jug of water over a basket ball and demonstrated that the water doesn’t stick to it like the shills say the oceans stick to the globe.

I’d love to have witnessed his prior ‘Eureka!’ moment that inspired the basketball demonstration.

(Bathtub, NC)

‘Marybeth! This darn water’s gitin chilly. Pass me a hot jug, y’hear?’
‘Git y’own darn jug, ya fat lard’
‘Awwwww, don’ be like that. N’after I done fixedya porch up geeewd yesday?’
‘I guess…’
‘Well. Guessin’s over now howabout that jug o’hot WATER?
(Marybeth sighs)
‘Right theyn, If I give you the juuug, then can I getsum peace?
‘Yip’
‘Promise?’
‘Well okaythen’
(Hands jug)
(Sounds of splashing and loud sighs of deep contentment)
‘Wait, WHUHT?’ (Single splash)
‘Oh hell Jacob, NOW what? I was WATCHIN’ QueueVeeCeeeee-uh! Dayyyng!’
‘You aint guna believe this Marybeth’
‘You better HOPE I do’. (Silence………)
(Longer silence)
(Finally) … ‘ Believe whut?’
‘OKay pinback you ears like you mean it Mar’beth,
‘
(Bored sighs) ‘um…keh?’
‘Lookit. I just done poured that water over my gut. Mkeh?
(Now curious) ‘mm,keh?’
‘And, although my gut aint *perfectly* round, it’s fair stickin up out of this tub like a hill or a DOME, or somethin’. Giddit?’
‘Uuuuh?? 🙄 ‘. ‘And?’
‘And so it’s not, like, uh, UNlike, sorta, uh (hear me out here)… like a small ‘planet’ (if there was such things, and there AIN’T)
‘Jacob Marley this better had be GEWD’
‘This ain’t just GEWD, Embeth Marley! This here is EXPLOSIVE. Lookit…’
(Pours jug of water over his rotund protruding belly, hand shaking with excitement’)
(Voice breaks high)’Seethat!!!!??’
‘See WHUT? Jacob? I see a fat old fool in a tub playing witha jug’.
‘OK just imagine that the belly is a GLOBE, know, like whatthem NASAI/LLUMINATI f***s would have us believe?
‘Mkeh?’
‘And imagine the water is, uh, water?’
‘Mkeh?’
‘So if the Earth was a … ‘GLOBE’ (aind it AINT, calm down Marybeth, I’m jes cogitatin’…)’
‘You’re sick, Jacob’
‘Nu-uh, hear me out, what I’m saying is IF it WAS (and it AIN’T!) a ‘GLOBE’, then look what happens when you pour SEA over a GLOBE!!…’
(Again pours water over belly. Water runs off)
Whut? Jacob? I may not be the perkiest possum in the pack, BUT – I **KNOW** that water ain’t oceans. It’s a jug of water, ya retaaard! (Laughs)
‘But think for a minute, M’beth? Oceans is made from whut?’
(Fakes stupidity) ‘Uhhh, waaaater? Duh-uh.’
(Thinks)
‘Yip! And if the Lizardoids is (and they ain’t) CORRECT about the Earth being a ‘GLOBE’ ( and it ain’t) – then look what happens if’n ya try pouring WATER (like raw Oceans, giddit?) on a ‘GLOBE’ (it’s really jes’ mah belly still)’!! ‘Lookit!!!’
(Again pours water over belly)
‘Jacob!! It don’t stick!’
BAM! ‘What I THOUGHT!. (Thinks NASA) Oooooh, those DIRTY, LYIN, CHEATIN MOTHER*****!
‘Dayum’
‘Yip’
‘We gotta, like, get this OUT there Jacob?? Holy shit, darlin’, I’m sorry I was mad at yewww…. xxx I’m so PROUD of yewwww!! 😀 😀 xxx’
‘Really weren’t nothin, I was jes’ chasing navel hair an and then I gots to cogitatin’! (shakes head). Whew.
‘Whew’
(Gaze at each other)
(In unison) – ‘This changes … EVERthang, and everythang!’

You sir, have won my internet for today.

Yeah they like the wet ball thing. Seen loads of variations of this:

Which demonstrates a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of what gravity is and how relative motion works.

Also smoke:

Clearly this person has never tried jumping up and down in a moving train/plane.

🙄

tjagain – Member
did you see this?

I watched the video. Felt sad for him. You can’t argue with that much stupid.
Thing is, I suppose, apart from going around embarrassing yourself in such a way, there’s nothing in life to lose from such belief. Life must be pretty easy being so dense really.

The website that aracer linked to is brilliant.

This is my favorite bit

[/quote]As a passenger on an aircraft, how is it I can see the curvature of the earth?
Quite simply you cannot. It is widely stated you would need to be at a height of at least 40,000 ft to get even a hint of curvature if earth were round.

But elsewhere on the site it states you can prove it is flat by holding a straight edge up to horizon.

…there’s nothing in life to lose from such belief.

I think I’d disagree with that. Some people can be quite easily influenced, especially by easily accessible ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’. The more people spouting this nonsense, the more people that will come across it and be perhaps persuaded by it etc. The conference that kicked this thread off costs money to travel to and attend. So, as with a lot of these cults, you’ll have cynical liars taking advantage their ‘flock’ and raking in the money of the gullible.

Where does that stop? Arguably comparable with the ‘climate change deniers’ who influence certain politicians. < winces – I’m sure there’s a whole other thread to shout that one out >

This is my favorite bit

As a passenger on an aircraft, how is it I can see the curvature of the earth?
Quite simply you cannot. It is widely stated you would need to be at a height of at least 40,000 ft to get even a hint of curvature if earth were round.

But elsewhere on the site it states you can prove it is flat by holding a straight edge up to horizon.

I heard that the flat earth society has members all across the globe!

Gah my YouTube feed is full of flat earth stuff again now.

Ah well.

This guy does some amusing debunks, but I like this video purely for the conspiracy guy spraying vinegar about to dissolve the chemtrails:

😯

Edit : Got the wrong end of the stick! 🙄

Clearly this person has never tried jumping up and down in a moving train/plane.

what about ‘on’, which would be a better comparison

IdleJohn: that was my point. (Edit: ok)

what about ‘on’, which would be a better comparison

No, that would a much worse comparison because if you are on top of a moving train you are rushing through air that it stationary relative to your motion.

Anyway, quite a lot of common FE’er “logic” and claims in this video, including most of the ones I’ve mentioned already.

Provided here, not for the debunks (which are fairly superficial) but more so you can enjoy their “logic” without having to sit through two hour Eric Dubay or jeranism marathons and completely losing your marbles. 😀

No, that would a much worse comparison because if you are on top of a moving train you are rushing through air that it stationary relative to your motion.

Yeah but why doesn’t that happen when you are on the surface of the world?

Yeah but why doesn’t that happen when you are on the surface of the world?

The same reason it doesn’t happen inside the moving train – all the air is moving along with you.

The same reason it doesn’t happen inside the moving train – all the air is moving along with you.

Yeah but how come it moves with you on the world but not on a train?

The same reason that it is much harder to stir your cup of tea with a needle than a spoon!

The air in the atmosphere is moving along with the Earth as it spins. So for us, standing on a spinning Earth, that air is still, even though the surface of the Earth is moving at ~1000 mph (depending where you are).

The train is pushing through that still air. It’s the needle, only a few billion times smaller, it’s not big enough to get all the air on Earth to start moving along with it! It can only shove against a minuscule part of it, which can just get out of the way.

Interesting observation on how the likes of Fb encourages this sort of madness:

Social media’s “engagement”-based algorithms are intrinsically hospitable to conspiracies and fake news

Before you know it

must…stop…watching…

Graham, I appreciate Poe’s Law is in effect here but I believe CM is employing a debating technique known as trolling devil’s advocate. He knows as well as you do, he’s positing the flat Earthers’ position.

So why do none of the flat earthers just rent/borrow/buy a boat or plane, fly to the ‘ice rim’, get some photos and then show the sheeple the error of their spherical ways?

I mean, I know why, but how do they explain not actually having any real proof of the earth being flat?

Because the earth’s rim/wall of ice is protected by the UN and your boat will be sunk – jeez it’s so simple. 🙄

Where exactly is this in a flat Earth model?

Graham, I appreciate Poe’s Law is in effect here…

You’re probably right Cougar, but it’s very hard to tell with conspiracy types, and even if he is just on a wind up, I guarantee someone else out there will be reading it thinking “That’s a very good point actually”

Where exactly is this in a flat Earth model?

North pole? In the middle of course, do pay attention. 🙂

That’s the South pole isn’t it? The north isn’t solid enough to build something like that if I’m not mistaken? So on your map it’s in the ice wall. Your map is upside down obviously.

So why do none of the flat earthers just rent/borrow/buy a boat or plane, fly to the ‘ice rim’, get some photos

Also, I’d imagine, cos photos aren’t* evidence… cos you know cameras, lenses, distortion, etc.

[sorry, typo edited!]

Ah right enough, it’s from this page[/url] I read the wrong caption, the pic below it is North Pole.

Well if it is south then it must be somewhere on the ice wall where no one is allowed to go apart from Freemason sciencfraudists and the special ops military guys that keep the secret.

Obviously there isn’t actually an actual South Pole since we’ve already learned that compasses don’t really point north. 😆

The air in the atmosphere is moving along with the Earth as it spins. So for us, standing on a spinning Earth, that air is still, even though the surface of the Earth is moving at ~1000 mph (depending where you are).

The train is pushing through that still air. It’s the needle, only a few billion times smaller, it’s not big enough to get all the air on Earth to start moving along with it! It can only shove against a minuscule part of it, which can just get out of the way.

So how come the air above the earth moves at the same speed as the earth but the air above the train does not move at the same speed as the train?

Graham, I appreciate Poe’s Law is in effect here but I believe CM is employing a debating technique known as [trolling] devil’s advocate. He knows as well as you do, he’s positing the flat Earthers’ position.

I’m not positing any position regarding the shape of the Earth.

So how come the air above the earth moves at the same speed as the earth but the air above the train does not move at the same speed as the train?

Wait, shouldn’t you first be asking why the air ‘above’ Earth doesn’t float off into space?

Wait, shouldn’t you first be asking why the air ‘above’ Earth doesn’t float off into space?

No, I imagine you know the answer to that. But it doesn’t help answer the question I was asking

But it doesn’t help answer the question I was asking

Well, it really does. Newtonian mechanics.

So how come the air above the earth moves at the same speed as the earth but the air above the train does not move at the same speed as the train?

A few mistaken assumptions in your question.

The atmosphere is not all moving at the same speed as the Earth.

Air is not just ‘above’ the train. The train travels through air. It also drags some of the (closest) air along with it. So some of the air around the train will be also moving at near the same speed as the train.

So the air above the train does move with the train?

These threads are starting to remind me of the engineers mug in the secret santa thread

So the air above the train does move with the train?

Gah. Trolled.