The right wing agenda

It seems to me that it basically comes down to people having to earn or be born into their rights.
The higher you can climb then the more you can expect?

I’ve been doing a logical conclusion thing and trying to work out where it leaves those British citizens that happen to be at the bottom of the scale.

How brutal are you?
Would you see those that can’t carry themselves left to fend for themselves?

I don’t actually see a full right wing thing, I see a mix of people getting upset at a lot of things – from the left and the right, In some ways it’s a true dismantling of the right/left politics of the past. We have life long labour supporters hitching on with right wing ideology etc. it’s a bit all about me stuff but also the people left behind

Sounds nothing like any right wing agenda I’ve ever heard

Maybe go and read ‘Road to Serfdom’ and then come back to us

where it leaves those British citizens that happen to be at the bottom of the scale.

if you are a british citizen, then you are a very long way from the bottom of the scale.

Would you see those that can’t carry themselves left to fend for themselves?

No point letting free labour go to waste. Just cut them loose for long enough until they have zero options then hoover them up and exploit them in such a way that it looks like we are doing them a favour. Not everyone has to be physically fit, we can always test stuff and experiment on the others.

Brilliant ninfan

You’re such a worthwhile contibutor to the forum 😆

Yeah that was badly worded by me jambo.. obviously those that are really at the bottom of the scale will get shipped out tout suite

But would the hard right be content for British citizens to eventually live in poverty?

No, because apart from the humanitarian issue, they’re not just going to lie down and die. They’ll take from the rest. And anyway, they’ll still need to find the rent for the spot of land that they intend to lie down and die on.

Seriously

Read it

Worked for Maggie!

“I don’t actually see a full right wing thing, I see a mix of people getting upset at a lot of things – from the left and the right, In some ways it’s a true dismantling of the right/left politics of the past.”

Yup, I’m not sure right and left ever really meant anything but now they are certainly utterly meaningless labels.

Trump is widely accepted as a right winger yet he’s been elected on a platform of massive Keynesian stimulus.

I can’t even find a strict left/right definition.

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Would you see those that can’t carry themselves left to fend for themselves?

ninfan – Member

Sounds nothing like any right wing agenda I’ve ever heard

Maybe go and read ‘Road to Serfdom’ and then come back to us
😆

Mines a pint please yunki

Trump is widely accepted as a right winger yet he’s been elected on a platform of massive Keynesian stimulus.

haha he’s said a lot of things, lets see what he delivers.

I think we’ve seen the right adapt to twitter and soundbite politics far quicker than the left in the last few years. And also they are much better at claiming the language of the common sense middleground, whilst often delivering far far to the right of that.

Its very hard to figure out what UKIP and Trump are for or against below the headlines but that doesn’t seem to matter anymore as the news cycle moves on before they are tested on it. UKIP seem to be an empty vessel that is enabling a range of people with differing values and backgrounds feel like they can see what they believe reflected in UKIP.

But would the hard right be content for British citizens to eventually live in poverty?

No because they need a market for their goods. But, a certain percentage of the population can be consigned to poverty (and indeed are) without that causing too much of an issue for unrestrained capitalism.

What is odd about a RW (sic) advocating Keynesian policies? Nothing new there and the two are not mutually exclusive.

The right wing agenda = divide & conquer

I fear for my children’s future.

By all accounts, if he goes ahead with his Fiscal stimulus, it will be the poor who suffer most by the increase in the value of the $ and reduction in export related jobs as a consequence.

Swift had the solution.

The rich can eat the poor, but at the risk of the hungry eating the rich.

Sounds like the zombie apocalypse… 🙂

Trump thinks like a child. He doen’t have any particular political ideology, so left/right doesn’t help when trying to decide what to do about him. He probaby doesn’t even understand where the government’s money comes from, so he hasn’t thought of the consequences of his spending pledges.

Neoliberalism innit

So after a bit of googling:

Left = Radical or Socialist.
Right = conservative, small ‘c’.

Given that I guess Keynesian isn’t Left wing ‘cos it’s pretty old hat, just part of the economic toolkit.

I still don’t think these terms have any useful meaning at all: Adopting private insurance top up funding for the NHS would be pretty radical – would people call it left wing?

Maybe go and read ‘Road to Serfdom’ and then come back to us

are you suggesting that this is your influence?

OOB – is Hayek RW?

In that he suggests that tyrannical govts. inevitably arise from planned economies, or control of economic decision making, yes he’s mostly considered “on the right” and is oft quoted by neo cons and libertarians. (often incorrectly a la Adam Smith)

Right wing agenda where?

OOB – is Hayek RW?

He’s a liberal, yeah? If so then nice example. If we’re going to pick conservative as our definition of ‘right wing’ then Liberalism in every sense has been the generally accepted status quo in the West for the best part of 100 years and is therefore ultra conservative and therefore ultra right wing! Which I think supports my contention that these labels have lost all purpose and probably never had any.

Well the OP’s argument was difficult to understand, but agree that oft-used labels are often of little use.

Anyway, (LW) Keynes on (RW) Hayek – please take labels with pinch of salt:

After reading Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, Keynes wrote to Hayek, “Morally and philosophically I find myself in agreement with virtually the whole of it”

😉

Anyway, sorry for the digression. Back to the party…..

Indeed, as Hayek was in favour of state controls for business, social help for the poor, protection for workers rights and controls over employment law, environmental controls, law and fraud prevention, and so on and on, there’s no reason why Keynes wouldn’t be in favour of his philosophy. But like all economic theories, there are valid criticisms that can be argued.

And lets not forget the irony of China(LW?) telling the USA(RW?) that they were spending far too much on social welfare!

BTW, I’m challenging all comers for good definitions of both LW and RW.

Or an austerity (sic) ultra-RW (sic^2) Tory (spit) government running one of the most expansionary fiscal policies in the developed world!!

Funny old world – still folk will be arguing that income inequality is rising next!

Labels, who needs them….

I think right wing can be summed up as “I can do what I please, other people’s problems are not mine, but my problems can be blamed on other people”

For me, right wingness is a question of empathy.

No-one wants to give stuff away for nothing, do people who don’t deserve it. The question is, are the poor and needy that way because it’s their own fault, or things beyond their control? And if it’s their fault, should they be left to face with the consequences themselves?

Very few people would leave their own family or close friends to struggle. We’d help. The question is, can you feel the same way about people you don’t know, or you want to blame them for their own fecklessness? If you can empathise with strangers, you will be happy to help them. If you can’t, you’ll try and justify not helping them.

So mol, do you reckon the nasties are RW by your definition?

Any term where people can rock up and give their own definitions with little fear of contradiction means absolutely nothing.

Incidentally, to me, cheese means fence.

Beans means Heinz

the nasties

define Nasty

RW govts that go wrong are often (although not always) Authoritarian in nature, whereas most LW nut-bags go in for Totalitarianism…

I think as far as most of the population are concerned, if you’re being trodden underfoot it doesn’t matter which flavour that is….

We don’t want lower bread prices,
we don’t want higher bread prices,
we don’t want unchanged bread prices,
we want National Socialist bread prices!

It needs defining?

“There’s only one nasty party….one nasty party….there’s only one nasty partyyyyyyyy….”

nickc – Member
I think as far as most of the population are concerned, if you’re being trodden underfoot it doesn’t matter which flavour that is….

True, true.