Thatcher's died according to BBC

Great comment.

Well number 13 is unlucky so either get the joke or dont
You gave no context and I dont think you were asking me to watch Britains got talent- were you ? I still dont know what your point was /is despite asking- what is your point? of that tv choice?

A horrible job down a mine. Living in a council house for all your working life. Your children then do the same. Expect work given locally thats menial with no improvement.
It was this way for decades.

Then thatcher closed the mine left you with no job and sold the houses making it all even worse.

Sorry I dont know what you are talking about here, the context or what your point is. Mining may not be the job you want to do but it is a job.

Accept your lot or self improve?

Should I live in a council house? Be provided for then? Everyone the same? Im more working class than you junky. I just dont have communism lite tendancies.

Communism. You know the failed ideology. Except for N.Korea of coyrse 😉

**** the toffs. Someone told us we too could rise up the ladder and beat the old **** 🙂

hora–you have No Class Consciousness..

I loath the established classes and those who love a communist utopia that never worked.

The communists saved us from Nazi Germany but murder millions more than Hitler.

Sorry Hora I still dont know what your point is it reads like you are throwing random phrases at me/the internet 😕

Thats because you are a unionist.

IF yours or my child became successful*. Wouldnt you be proud?

*a sucessful Surgeon
Or a business person
Etc etc in a nice house etc.

Or should they stay working class in a admin or manual job until they are too ill to work?

so success is to be judged by career/status/ materialism– true Thatcherite values– yet you say you loathe ‘toffs’ –but aspire to be judged by their values– in a society that rewards the few at the expense of many…

A horrible job down a mine. Living in a council house for all your working life. Your children then do the same. Expect work given locally thats menial with no improvement.
It was this way for decades.

Better a so called horrible job down a mine producing something of worth and value than stuck in a godforsaken call centre cold calling people with regard to products or services with zero value or worth – d’ya call that a job? – i call that being a **** mug. Now’t wrong wi council housing either, i stay in a council bungalow/house at my age shock/horror (41) and i have no plans to ever buy my own house as i have absolutely no chance of ever affording a mortgage thanks to the unrealistic prices of housing in this country, perhaps knock 40% off the value of houses and then we would be closer to a realistic valuation of housing. I’m not having kids either, and so called menial local work? – go on… i dare you….. you **** mouthpiece, say that to your local bin man or street sweeper.

Get off your **** high horse or next time i hear you are up this way i’ll personally see to it that i’ll knock you off.

😯

yeah…ok perhaps a bit ranty but sometimes yer pi$$ gets boiled by a post, i’ll not personally knock you off so i apologise for letting you get a rise out of me, but i’ll make sure some of my menial working bin-men mates and andy the street sweeper is out on the 7 stanes trails to welcome you hora.

Or should they stay working class in a admin or manual job until they are too ill to work?

Just a minor point. There are a limited number of opportunities to develop with the work place. You have to have people doing admin/manual work. Not everyone can be a surgeon, as there is a limited requirement for them. Same goes for pretty much every professional occupation.

The fallacy of our society is “work hard and succeed” when he reality is we need people to do the gritty jobs and many will never succeed despite working hard.They are absolutely essential for the economy to function.

And by looking down on them (which you appear to be doing?), you paint yourself in a very bad light.

On a side note to succeeding, there’s far more to it than working hard. If you are intelligent and hard working, you’ll still lose out if you don’t understand the politics of the environment you are working in.

Define “success”.

It means different things to different people.

In the context of a Thatcher thread I’d wager it only means one thing.

Positional and monetary gain. (Perhaps with some job satisfaction thrown in)

That sure as hell isn’t my definition.

Great comment. A horrible job down a mine. Living in a council house for all your working life. Your children then do the same. Expect work given locally thats menial with no improvement.
It was this way for decades.

But wildly inaccurate.Thatcher didn’t invent aspiration.
For generations working class parents want/ed nothing more than social mobility.For their children to get a good education,get to university and join the professional classes rather than end up in a dead end job like many of their parents have(not that there is anything wrong with an honest day’s graft anyway if that’s what people choose to do).Where do you think large swathes of today’s British middle classes come from?
Unfortunately history shows that Margaret Thatcher’s policies hindered social mobility and she condemned a generation to the exact thing she railed against in that quote.In fact moving millions of people into unemployment rather than the horrible jobs they had.Strange how Cameron et al now see nothing wrong with moving people from the unemployment register into horrible minmum wage jobs topped up by the taxpayer.
Are you being deliberately obtuse/argumentative hora?

The fallacy of our society is “work hard and succeed” when he reality is we need people to do the gritty jobs and many will never succeed despite working hard.They are absolutely essential for the economy to function.

This ^^^ If manual workers stopped what they are doing the so called upper classes would soon see how important they are, a few weeks sat in the cold and dark wallowing in their own shit would soon remind folk how important manual jobs are
When the banks went down did the lights go out?, or the rubbish go uncollected?, did your bog stop working or the clean water stop running?
No…
BUGGER!!! I promised myself I wouldn’t post on this thread..

indeed , most miners wanted their kids to have better jobs/opportunities than them, but when all you have is your job–and that is then threatened for political/ideological reasons– there is no choice–die on your knees or stand and fight– a lesson many people need to re learn …

capitalism rewards those whom it needs to keep the workers in ‘check’– by giving them a few extras denied those who create the wealth, and the higher up this chain of shit you go the more it reeks….

On the work hard and succeed thing.

I’ve read a few arguments that this is actually quite harmful for many people when that success is defined by positional and monetary means.

Quite simply. Most will to varying degrees not achieve this. Can everyone be a doctor, bank manager, biologist. No, of course they can’t. But by having these things as a significant definition of “success” we are in effect telling an awful lot of people they are failures.

Which, to me sounds pretty damned unhealthy.

Obviously there is a need for people to become highly skilled at what they do. But the devaluation of low skilled work seems only to have negative implications.

What the hell am I doing.

I don’t post on here to make socio political commentary.

I’m here to post about pooing in holes on the flanks of Win Hill.

Flounces

well you post well when you do socio political commentary it is better than the other shit you post – see what I did there , IGMC

nice one pieman :wink:- you speak with much wisdom– you do know its rude to talk with your mouth half full– fill it up first !

I kinda agree with what Somafunk said..

IF yours or my child became successful*. Wouldnt you be proud?

*a sucessful Surgeon
Or a business person
Etc etc in a nice house etc.

Or should they stay working class in a admin or manual job until they are too ill to work?
And yet Thatcher’s governments were known for their absolute contempt for the most important mechanism for generational social mobility: education.

Talking of which, I vividly remember attending student marches, protesting against the abolition of student grants in Scotland (I was half way through a degree course at Aberdeen Uni at the time).

There was real, heartfelt anger, even amongst those of us already enrolled – the new measures would not affect us but we were very aware of the implications for the next set of freshers.

Cue for someone to post a VIZ picture of Student Gwant…

Bite off your nose to spite your face?

Double post

For everyone who grew up in the 70s and 80s with these images on our TV screens all the time.. thinking that it was not only our responsibility, but our duty, to battle with the authorities in the streets.. to stamp out the enemy within and to win freedom from the hands of violent tyranny.. Even if you feel that the deeper politics didn’t effect you adversely in the long run, Thatcher was still the symbol of all that aggression, the public face.. and now the bogeyman of our childhood has met her ultimate demise

It’s typical of you lefties to blame it all on the bogeyman.

well you can’t blame it on sunshine and moonlight can you now..?

that only leaves good times and the bogeyman

rudebwoy – Member
indeed , most miners wanted their kids to have better jobs/opportunities than them

That’s bloody ironic, as the only 2 options presented to me by the “careers teacher” was the pit or the steelworks. I can clearly remember him trying to dissuade me from trying for Uni as there were jobs for life in steel & coal.

That’s bloody ironic, as the only 2 options presented to me by the “careers teacher” was the pit or the steelworks.

i was offered very, very similar choices when i was at school.

imagine my suprise when i left school in 1981 to find that everything had been closed down.

oh how i laughed

and so quickly forgave and forgot.

He was not the brightest of the teaching staff and IIRC he came into teaching from one or other so probably believed that, from his experience in the 70s, the steel and coal industries were huge and too important to be assailed. Met him again a few years ago at a local beer festival and we chatted about it, I hold no grudges because, like most of my peer group, I ignored him – my family had far more influence than him.

I blame Billy Casper, he if had put their Judds bet on, he and Kes would have had a bright future, but no, the greedy little tyke had to go and buy himself some chips (with bits) therefore setting in motion a bizarre chain of events that unknown to many folk led to the rise of Arthur Scargill. The rest is History

so only one thread allowed about this subject and its myriad of off shoots— unlike talking about sheds, patios, and cars……

and because of that, i’ll post this on here.

very suspicious.
in a week were such behavior may serve to validate a certain agenda and exonerate the guilty.

implanted thugs ? no, that could never happen

whos paying for your celebration drink Rudebwoy, given I assume from the bitterness of your many posts that you are still blaming your unemployment/miserable life on Thatcher?

Life clearly didn’t turn out as planned for you did it? In fairness you probably need to take a bit more responsibility for that…

rudebwoy – Member

so only one thread allowed about this subject and its myriad of off shoots— unlike talking about sheds, patios, and cars…

I wrote a post about the history of the Kent miners in response to your post rudebwoy, and when I clicked send, found that the thread had been closed, which was a tad irritating.

I wrote a post about the history of the Kent miners in response to your post rudebwoy, and when I clicked send, found that the thread had been closed, which was a tad irritating.

Pre-emptive modding – it’s the new thing.

first pit closures, now thread closures, when will Fatcha’s reign of terror end..?
even from beyond the grave she is able to continue her wicked machinations..

whos paying for your celebration drink Rudebwoy, given I assume from the bitterness of your many posts that you are still blaming your unemployment/miserable life on Thatcher?

Life clearly didn’t turn out as planned for you did it? In fairness you probably need to take a bit more responsibility for that…

you just don’t get it do you— my life is great, i would be happy in a sand pit– but there are many others who don’t cope with adversity as well– i am healthy, have great friends, and know how to live– doesn’t mean i am not aware of injustice, the waste of humanity that capitalism engenders, and we live in a ‘relatively ‘ rich part of the earth– i suppose its my upbringing — can’t help it –once you become aware you can’t switch it off….