That Maxxis "babes calendar" article…

And so far, most of that definition has been done by MEN

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for. You might also note that in many of those societies there are some pretty bizarre things the men do to make them attractive to the wimmin i.e. the exact same (or very similar) mutilations and some quite odd (to us) rituals.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for.

And that’s exactly the problem, right there.

Can you not see the negativity in that sentence?

I’m guessing you didn’t read gobuchul’s troll post about not fighting evolution.

OK. It was a bit of a troll.

However, I never said women should stay at home in the kitchen.

I stand by what I did say.

Who are physically stronger, men or women?

How long does a man have to wait between having children?

I don’t think women are “inferior” to men.

I don’t think men are more intelligent than women.

I think men are DIFFERENT from women. We are not the same.

We are animals with deep rooted instincts, the urge to reproduce is the key one. It is a much more difficult process for the women than the men.

Do you think it’s all down to 20th Century conditioning?

People are free to make calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to appear in calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to buy calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to view calendars like this while violently fapping or not if they wish.
People are entitled to to disapprove of such calendars if they wish.
People are entitled to defend the freedom of people to do all of the above if they wish.
Would not want it any other way.

I’m saying “who the **** are you to tell women what they should or should not do?”

Um… except you’re arguing the woman who wrote the article shouldn’t have written it, and that the women who’ve posted here expressing similar sentiments are over-reacting. Sounds a bit like telling women what to do doesn’t it.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for. You might also note that in many of those societies there are some pretty bizarre things the men do to make them attractive to the wimmin i.e. the exact same (or very similar) mutilations and some quite odd (to us) rituals.

Lets hope neither of your kids suffers from something like this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328072/Anorexia-One-teenage-girls-eating-disorder-boys-young-risk.html

It’s in the Daily Mail so it must be true.

Besides, I blame the parents.

To make the leap from one slightly risque calendar trolling post re women’s ‘place’ as per ‘evolution’, to the above quote is one of the most ridiculous timewasting things I’ve ever read.

ftfy. I agree.

@cumberlanddan…question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

Who are physically stronger, men or women?

Ah, trick question? Let me have a pop – is it the one who can move a mouse and make a living?

What a load of bollocks I may as well say everyone who is really homophobic is secretly gay, I will accept it was not intended as a troll but your theory is BS.

I dont even know what “think about women in a bad way ” even means in this context and i have always [ from about 14] had females as my closest friends.

I’ll not be good at explaining it, but i’ll have a go. From this thread it appears some folk (yes you and others) seem to think that women are turned into weak, defenseless, sex objects for men to conquer and control when they are portrayed in the media in some circumstances (that calendar for example). I don’t see that at all. And the reason i don’t see that is that i don’t and never have seen women in that way. A couple of tacky images isn’t going to make me change my stance on that. Maybe if you had a better example of women as objects it would be more obvious? i don’t know. In this case what i see is a poorly executed piece of promotional print. Maybe it’s because design/print is my trade or maybe because i too have good friends who happen to be female, but whatever the stereotypical reaction images like this are meant to stir up inside me, simply don’t occur.

So there’s just one example from one man. I don’t see what you think i see when i look at these types of images. I don’t know what you actually think when you see them either as you’ve been very good at not actually saying (it’s the internet – there’s not point hinting at things as it can cause to misinterpretation). I’m only guessing here, but if i don’t see what you think i see, then maybe other men don’t see it either? They may not be looking at how the image was produced or the quality of the design/print/finishing but they may well see something else that’s also not atypical. I know there are some rather primitive men about who may well view women as you describe, but you are assuming that anyone who doesn’t agree with your view on this is one of them.

BTW my theory probably is BS (i’m not offended btw 😉 ) but i’m struggling to understand that although i (and others i’m sure) who try and treat all others (regardless of gender/race blah blah) with equal respect get labelled an sexist idiots/cavemen etc because we are not up in arms when something like this appears. Sadly i can’t see this from a female perspective and i doubt any man could (no matter what he says) so i therefore theorised (without any data of course) that the men who are on the side of ultimate feminine righteousness must have looked at women in this way in the past. How else do you get an insight into the ‘caveman’ without having experienced it inside your head?

There you go, clear as mud 😀

You’ll find all the dieting article and anorexic role models in the women’s magazines Adele writes for. I haven’t seen the Maxxis calendar but suspect the ladies fall into the Friday Fit and Performance thread category rather than the clothes-hanger thin seen in the mags aimed at young women.

because we are not up in arms when something like this appears.

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it’s just a bit tacky and shit.

Seems like most people think it’s just a bit tacky and shit

+1 is anything else necessary?

[apart from the entertaining read]

Jesus Christ, I’m away for 24 hours and the wheels come off.

I’ve swung the hammer a bit so that adults can talk. Might I remind you all that blatantly homophobic, sexist and otherwise nasty comments will earn you Christmas off. Keep it civil.

As you were.

Sadly i can’t see this from a female perspective

I’ve heard tell that a few women may have written about it 😉

How else do you get an insight into the ‘caveman’ without having experienced it inside your head?

Trick question? Let me have a pop? Is it because we don’t ever experience vicarious ‘insight’ when other people express the content/s of their mind/s?

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it’s just a bit tacky and shit.

^ +1.

@cumberlanddan…question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

That in their opinion they are wrong, but not to the woman who chose to appear in them. And then there are the woman who really couldn’t give a ****.

People have the right to decide what they believe is right or wrong based on there own free thinking as long as they live within the law. they still have the right to disagree with the law just not to act outside of it.

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for.

And that’s exactly the problem, right there.

Can you not see the negativity in that sentence?

Perhaps you should learn to read more then one sentence at a time. 🙄

What is negative about it? Its a simple fact. We’re currently talking about mating i.e. procreation. Women + men. The men look good for the women. The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

‘girlie’ calendars are a bit naff, and I’d tend to think less of any workplaces or public places that displayed them.

erm. that’s it really. not sure why I feel this way, probably evolution.

People have the right to decide what’s they believe is right or wrong based on there own free thinking as long as they live within the law. they still have the right to disagree with the law just not to act outside of it.

Except if they are criticising your precious calendars, which is apparently totally unacceptable ‘PC gone mad’. Honestly, the lack of any kind of vaguely coherent logic or critical thinking being employed by numerous people here is really quite depressing.

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

Yet more straw man arguments. Feel free to buy your crappy calendars if you like, I wouldn’t like to take that away seeing as it seems to be very important to you.

The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

Neither is it a complete one. The sprayed-orange ‘Barbie, ‘shopped, with plastic boobs’ look is simply one example of marketing/peer-to-peer/cultural influence that (while having roots in reproductive behavior) is arguably a lot more complex than ‘looking good for Ken men’, even if seemingly shallow.

edenvalleyboy – Member

@cumberlanddan…question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

I dunno – hoof them all in the slats?

I’d probably say I that I disagreed with their opinion. That would be my opinion which I hope i am entitled to. Why do you interpret an opinion as an instruction in how to think?

Chip above has done quite well too.

Malvern Rider – Member

The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

Neither is it a complete one.

No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Obviously i don’t think you have your sword to hand (fnar!!!!) so for ‘up in arms’ please read ‘mild outrage’ or whatever the **** you want! :P.

edit:

Trick question? Let me have a pop? Is it because we don’t ever experience vicarious ‘insight’ when other people express the content/s of their mind/s?

You can read minds? That’s pretty cool. What am i thinking now? Or do i have to express it by rubbing myself or dribbling or something?

Waaaaaaahhb… Make it stop!!

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it’s just a bit tacky and shit.

😛

Pseudo-Darwinians take note!

@cumberlanddan – you are completely entitled to your opinion – i was curious because i guess its easier to debate this amongst guys..

My final point, and its regards the ‘freedom to do whatever’ argument as expressed by Chip:

Foucault states…”even when individuals think they are most free, they are in fact in the grip of more insidious forms of power, which operate not solely through direct forms of repression but often through less visible strategies of internalisation”

Apologies if that’s too much for a Friday afternoon… 😀

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Not all, sorry if that’s what you got from that, I was disagreeing that we only do what we do (including women in calendars, as per this discussion) to attract the opposite sex, inasmuch as there are a number of ways in which exploitation/conditioning occurs beyond the scope of simply displaying arses and boobs for cash.

Then what is the point?

Is it this?

Yeah… its exactly that…

Type “Marie Claire” into Google images then spend a few minutes reading the front-page tempters (I’m not for a minute suggesting you look at the lightly dressed or completely undressed ladies with low body mass indexes). You’ll find a mix of:

your body weight/shape is an issue (you are an object)
How to be sexy (a sex object)
How to be beautiful (a beautiful object)
How to be good in bed
George Clooney (sex object of the other sex)
your man and his money (money no object)
Sexy swim suits for Spring
This woman’s man is a ****
Kate Moss looks fantastic
Paris Hilton looks fantastic
Make up, hair care, skin products, botox, enhancement, contact lenses, epilation….

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Brilliant, thanks for clearing that up.

Malvern Rider – Member

No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Not all, sorry if that’s what you got from that, I was disagreeing that we only do what we do (including women in calendars, as per this discussion) to attract the opposite sex, inasmuch as there are a number of ways in which exploitation/conditioning occurs beyond the scope of simply displaying arses and boobs for cash.

Quite agree, there’s all sorts of exploitation. I’m afraid I don’t really see a tatty calendar in that light.

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Because society has dictated that that’s what they should be interested in. Depressing, isn’t it.

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

I’d be surprised if the people making all the money from pedalling these insecurities, for that is what they’re doing, are predominantly female.

But when having accusations of inequality thrown at them, their solution is this…..

Isn’t equality brilliant!!! 😀

I’d never realised before that the primary determinant of male attractiveness is the chin to nips to belly button distance ratio. Thank goodness for the men’s health photoshop team for bringing this to my attention.

It’s even more depressing when a women who has spent her life writing objectifying stuff for Marie Claire and others “because society has dictated that’s what they should be interested in” writes a piece in a Mountain Bike magazine objecting to objectifying.

So the Maxxis calendar is a bit “naff” to quote a previous post, but if women object to being seen as objects then the first thing to protest about is the way women’s magazines impose a set of values on women that are based on them doing their utmost to be a desirable object. I hope there won’t be too many protesting too hard.

Edit: this place being what it is I’ve realised that I need to explain that in dancing in France the lady is is generally refered to as the girl, “la fille”, even if she’s over 60.

Why protest if it works for most of the people most of the time and most of us are quite happy to conform to our gender stereotype. I rock and roll dance. I smarten myself up for the evening, Madame does likewise and we dance the evening away with other people who look smart/sexy. The man leads and the girl follows. I spend my evening counting my steps and thinking a few moves ahead, and girls twirl around at my beckoning adding seductive wiggles and glances. Life must be pretty dull in places where showing a leg/bicep, dancing with random members of the opposite sex and dance music are banned.

I watched a TV documentary about Cap d’Agde, the village for naturistes and libertins. In the day people were simply naked, however in the evening when they wanted to be sexy they dressed up.

If you want pin-up calendars banned, consider carefully what you are wishing for.

Cougar – Moderator

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Because society has dictated that that’s what they should be interested in. Depressing, isn’t it.

OK, so its society’s (which is dominated and ruled over by our misogynistic, manipulative male overlords) fault women act like they do?

Please explain to me how a person of male orientation could ever actually ‘win’ in your world? Seems pretty impossible to me.

but if women object to being seen as objects then the first thing to protest about is the way women’s magazines impose a set of values on women that are based on them doing their utmost to be a desirable object.

I believe the odd woman may possibly have noticed this, and may even have raised it as an issue. Possibly. I’d have to check. Actually… they probably don’t worry their pretty little heads over such matters.

I rock and roll dance. I smarten myself up for the evening

I’m getting the strangest…..