I think some of the tags speak more about this ‘debate’ than some of the actual posts..
Fortunately, there are one or two who are capable of independent thought, though.
And…
Rudeboy did you used to go under a different name ’cause I always remember some gobshite picking holes in all and sundry then having a huff ’cause your 20yrs of hardcore riding havent earned the respect they deserve?
What I find really amusing, is that people take so much notice of what some ‘gobshite’ writes! To remember stuff from way back. Me, I don’t often pay enough attention to remember things for much more than a day or so, as most drivel on here is of such little consequence. Many people simply have absolutely nothing to say for themselves, so they just latch on to whatever seems to be the ‘trendiest’ school of thought on a subject.
I notice that Brant can come across as quite arrogant, no doubt due to the Fanboi following he gets on here. A following which I think is well deserved, as the stuff he markets seems to work well, and be popular with those that use it. I do think the ravings are sometimes a little disproportionate; but it’s just not ‘cool’ to rave on about a Marin, Spesh or Trek…
I acknowledge that the ‘rough and ready’ approach Brant takes to ‘design’ is refreshing and welcomed by may people. Certainly, On-One’s reputation was built on that ‘let’s try this see if it works’ approach.
Good luck to Brant, and anyone trying to achieve something a little ‘different’ to the rest. Got to have a few eccentrics in shed, pottering away to come up with new ideas.
But I feel the real issue here, is that as someone who won’t subscribe to the Brant Bum-Licking Society, I am therefore a Pariah, an Outcast, not one of the ‘Gang’. It can be very insular on here. People who’ve had a pop at me have conveniently ignored the positive things I’ve had to say about the frame, like the use of straight rather than bendy tubes. AndI’ve only actually criticised two aspects of it; the seatstay plate, which I accept is a purely aesthetic issue, and the rivnut things. Personally, I’ve experienced and seen a lot of rivnut fittings fail. It’s simply not as good a solution as welding something on. Brant himself even says that the decision to use them was a matter of cost.
I rarely post on matters bike, on here, simply because of the attitudes. there’s always someone who knows better than you, or thinks you’re wrong, purely because they don’t want you to be right.
As for humility; I think others need to look up what that word actually means…
I do enjoy a debate, but please, people; think about stuff a bit more, before you decide to slag someone off. Try to understand their point of view, before simply dismissing them as a ‘prissy f*cker’ (that is such a rubbish insult anyway!).
This will probbly end when I get bored of it. Which may be soon. So youse can all go back to worriting about something else.
MrNutt: on that issue, Sir, you are wrong. Sooooo wrong.
In fact, you’re probbly a racist, or something.
