Surprised the new “Shed Fire” frame isn’t being ooh-ed and aah-ed over

Nice, Brant. People try to offer helpful advice/constructive criticism, and you call them ‘prissy f*ckers’.

That’s showing respect. 🙁

Hmm, aesthetics obviously ain’t your strong point, are they, love?

😉

Rudeboy in “armchair expert” shocker!!!

Hardly. Been mtbing for over 20 years. Owned a fair few bikes, worked in ‘the trade’.

Just tried to offer some honest and hopefully helpful input, that’s all.

Brant – Final(ish) important dimension for me : BB height ?

20mm drop from wheel centres at ride height with 140’s.
Clears the top step on mmmbop all being well.

Lynskey frame prototype

Seems to be a design trend going with the “plate” drive chainstay….

Heh!

Can I have the pink fluffy one, please?!

People try to offer helpful advice/constructive criticism, and you call them ‘prissy f*ckers’.

I think he was talking about customers in general. If you’re a prissy ****, don’t buy the frame. If you want something functional, get one.

Easy, no?

Just tried to offer some honest and hopefully helpful input, that’s all.

Well, thanks for your input, but I don’t do design by committee. I can only offer what I consider to be right and true, or I don’t believe in it.

Happily, as you want a contemporary (rest of the world) angled bike, with conventional cable routing and conventional seatstay bridges, there are many many manufacturers out there doing that. And may you be happy with them.

Well I reckon I’m spot on then. Can’t be doing with prissy f*ckers who want dolled up bollocks for the sake of it.

If Lynskey would sell me them raw off the welding bench, I’d do that, as for me this is about function, not form.

I’m with you there. But only up to a point. That point being the price. How cheap are you going to do them then? “Raw” finish (whatever that means in Ti terms) could look quite cool… I’d also argue the point that welded in bosses function far better in the long term than rivnuts, and if you ain’t making a Ti frame to last a long time, then why are you bothering in the first place?

Seems to be a design trend going with the “plate” drive chainstay….

That photos does a good job of showing the chainring clearance. The shedfire* version does away with a couple of fiddly welds, as well as simplifying the plate design, reducing wastage and increasing tyre clearance.

* Shed Fire? Shedfire?

I’d also argue the point that welded in bosses function far better in the long term than rivnuts

Unless you strip them/get the thread galling/get a bolt stuck.

That photos does a good job of showing the chainring clearance. The shedfire* version does away with a couple of fiddly welds, as well as simplifying the plate design, reducing wastage and increasing tyre clearance.

Ta dah!!!

🙂

I’m off to the garage to fit my new bars.

http://twitpic.com/1z5ru

Maybe you could buy a bog-standard Taiwanese Al frame and sell it as the Shedfire Prissyfucker?

Rudeboy’s post is the definition of a prissy **** IMO.

If the cap fits ……

If you’re a prissy ****, don’t buy the frame. If you want something functional, get one.

It woon’t be ‘functional’ for me. I’ve ridden On-Ones; too long for me, wrong angles. Ok, fair enough; that’s a character of their design, the same way that other makes differ slightly. But I’m sure many others will love them. I’d hardly say that suggesting tried and tested ways of doing stuff is being ‘prissy’. And I am aware that Brant is trying to bring a really nice, well made frame with a good pedigree, down to a more affordable price point. And well done to him, for trying. I just thought I’d voice my opinions, like everyone else is doing.

(Makes note to never, ever question the Mighty Zak Tempest, ever again…)

So, do we know the prices yet or not? I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife 😉

I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife

Post some pics and I’ll give you a quote 😉

I think he’s well within his rights to call Rudeboy a prissy f*cker. Sees a picture of a frame and proceeds to slag it off at length to the designer without ever having ridden or even seen it. Clearly Brant has way more experience of designing frames than Rudey does. I’m an argumentative b*stard and I’d never ever consider slagging something off THAT much on the basis of a photo and a load of half-baked theories about aesthetics. Did you really think that wasn’t going to cause offence? Or do you think that the personal matters nothing?

I’d hardly say that suggesting tried and tested ways of doing stuff is being ‘prissy’.

Telling anyone how to do their job is frigging annoying at the best of times – even more so when they’ve a lot of experience and industry success, and you’re just a big gob who rides.

What’s she like? Any good? Good cook? Fit? Healthy? All own teeth?

What sort of warranty does she come with?

Any free gifts included?

A royal pain in the kiester, bitching and ranting a lot. Lets me buy bikes if Sean Bean is on telly and her coffee is sweet.
Loads of body fat and few grey cells.
Oh, and looks like:

RB, any good?

Could rudeboy be the new Hora?

and you’re just a big gob who rides.

LOL

But you’re assuming he rides 😉

molgrips – 9/10

‘A dead man walkin’, here’s a dead man walkin’.
Time to cook lunch and hoover the carpet, may the redheaded Goddess be merciful.

Molgrips; chill out.

I was assuming this was a prototype. and therefore possibly changes might be made. I thought that was the point of Brant bunging the pic up on his website, to get some feedback.

I’m not slagging him or his designs off, just offering my opinion. Asked questions as to certain aspects of the frame.

WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don’t agree with every decision someone else makes, I’m a ‘prissy f*cker’?

Woe betide anyone who does not in any way jump on the ‘Brant is God’ bandwagon, eh? Sorry, I din’t see the ‘Never slag off Brant’s products’ clause in the forum rules…

I apologise if any of my comments caused offence. That was not my intention.

S’fair enough; I’ve questioned Brant, he’s answered my questions.

If he really does not in any way want his products to be questioned, why come on an internet forum to discuss them? Seeing as how Brant uses STW to gain feedback, I can’t see as how he can complain, if someone criticises his stuff. He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for ‘free’…

As a potential customer, I think I have every right to speak up and voice my opinions. If the person/company supplying the products does not in any way consider my opinions valid or worthy of consideration- fine. I’ll take my custom elsewhere. That’s how the market works. I’m pretty sure Brant won’t lose a lot of sleep over this!

Having worked in bike shops, you’d be surprised just how much aesthetics does actually influence people’s purchasing decisions. A bike is not ust a tool, it’s a thing to cherish and appreciate, for many people.

If that were not true, all bikes would be simply functional, and just come in black.

Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick’s lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren’t important…

I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw. But if people want to just have a pop at me, then I can’t help that.

Typical response from a PF

…He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for ‘free’….

I think you’ve got your quotes in the wrong place there.

WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don’t agree with every decision someone else makes, I’m a ‘prissy f*cker’?

You were pretty damn negative, that annoyed me and I’m not even anything to do with the bikes – don’t own one, never ridden one.

I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw.

Fair play – apologies for offence cause in that case. But still, you came over as just slagging the thing off. You have to be sensitive to the position you’re in – ie a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he’s wrong. At least, that’s how it came over. Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order? 🙂

‘He’ is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for free…

like this?

(snigger)

@Bikemonkey. 🙂

Very nice looking frame, IMO. I like the seat-stay plate very much.

Wouldn’t presume to pass judgement on it otherwise, at least until the price is revealed.

Brant – Do you have a sideline as a cheesy TV illusionist? You certainly look the part on your new website…

Keep telling Brant he’s wrong. He’s far too happy with his lot these days and needs people moaning and picking at his pre-production things to even him out a bit.

Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order?

LOL!

Well, I really din’t think my comments would cause that much of a fuss (I’m thinking of getting a second login, so’s I can make comments without people thinking ‘oh look, it’s that RudeBoy, let’s all have a pop at him..).

The work I do involves aesthetics. That’s the main part of it! Ok so, maybe aesthetics is not high on the agenda of Shedfire or it’s customers. But it is a consideration of many people. That’s all I was saying.

a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he’s wrong

I have people disagree with me, quite often. I try to listen to them, because we want to have the best possible end result. They may well have something valid to say. Or, I might dismiss their opinions, If I am confident enough about what I’m doing. But there’s ways and means of going about that. I don’t call people ‘prissy f*ckers’, as I don’t think that would endear me to people who might want to give me money…

All’s well. I’m sure Brant understands the point I was trying to make, even if some others don’t…

Oh come on, you’ve had multiple logins and are capable of lasting about three posts before writing “wazzent innit vahn babylonian geezer” and getting into a fight. No-one gets in your face because you’re you, they get in your face because of what you post. 😉

I think that the weird hand signal reflects the chain stay detail.

BD; it’s ‘vayn’. 🙄

😉

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There is a hell of a lot of criticism of all manner of people/products/companies on this forum – much of it very amusing – but whenever anyone seems to direct that criticism towards anything that Brant is involved with – be that On One, or now Shed Fire – it often seems to generate a disproportional backlash that you don’t find with other people/products/companies.
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Frame looks quite nice, BTW.

Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick’s lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren’t important.

I think it’s a very pretty frame. Aesthetics are important, we just disagree on what is pretty.

Chainstay bridge reminds me of the baby lock things I put on the cupboard doors.

Its serpantly different, I like.

I like Arcade Fire- shed fire is a crap name for a band… Shed Explosion now your talking!

How much are these frames gonna cost?