South American block on Falkland registered vessels.

Not at all trailmonkey. I beleive people have that right.

except the falkland islanders.

selective,

glitchy bump

And point out where I said that trailmonkey? cos I didn’t

I have been warned off obsessive arguing

That’s like telling a dog not to lick its cock anymore. 😐

*muffled noise from Edinburgh*

you’ve repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.

don’t go all edinburgh and deny it

tbh, i think that this is a side issue anyway. i think you’ve been talking more far nonsense about the colonial stuff.

thinking that you solve the issue of colonialism by shifting the metropole that the periphery is ruled by is one of the daftest things i’ve ever heard on here.

Pmsl @ Darcy! 🙂

TandemJeremy – Member
Big and daft – its not my definition of Britain – that is the only definition of britain – the mainland

so do you have to live on that single island to be British?

remember you said

FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British….

Great Britain? its a defined geographic area – the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales

more “Edinburgh Defence”? 😉

trailmonkey – Member

you’ve repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.

really – you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.

big_n_daft – Member

so do you have to live on that single island to be British?

My cousin lives on Scilly, I think he speaks a bit of Spanish though and he likes steak so maybe TJ’s brave new world won’t be so bad after all!

really – you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.

here, not quite sure that you got the translation right, but we get the gist anyhow

La malvinas son argentinas

Muchas pwnage

la malvinas son argentinas

Hmm, ‘malvinas’, I’ve heard that somewhere before…

I think it loosely translates as ‘the bad wine is Argentine’ and I for one agree. I prefer Chilean personally, but let’s not be churlish about this, we’ll let the Gauchos run the BBQ.

Job jobbed.

Only If you think that means that I have “repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the wishes of the people”

TandemJeremy – Member

Teamhurtmore – I pointed out the hypocrisy – thats all. that and ainflamatory spanish phrase. I didn’t actually state what I thought should be done with the islands did I

FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British. I thin the islands should be given independence under UN protection. Same as Northern Ireland or Gibralter.

so trailmonkey – are you going to copy and paste the repeated posts were I say that I think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the will of its people”?

PeterPoddy – Member

TJ, Ernie:

I’ve had a quick scan through this thread and I get the feeling you’d both just roll over and hand the Falklans over to the Argentinians? Yes?

If so, you disgust me, truly you do, and I’m glad you’re a very small, very wrong minority.

If not, sorry, please forgive me.

Well you should have read what I said instead of just scanning, then you wouldn’t be in such a dilemma about whether you should be disgusted or apologetic.

Go back and read what I’ve written and let me know of you’re disgusted – if so, I’ll see what I can do about changing my opinions just for you 🙂

TJ stop digging. Please.

CFH – It would be nice if people did not accuse me of saying things I never have.

Attack me for what I have said -fine. Invent things – why?

I have never said that the falklands should be returned to Argentina against the will of its people.

You stated that the Falklands were Argentinian, they are not. For them to be so would be against the will of the Falklanders.

Only If you think that means that I have “repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the wishes of the people

oh come on, you’ve also been rattling on about some nonsense about colonial solutions

I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.

by transfering sovereignty to another colonial power ? we’re not talking about disenfranchised indegenes. we’re talking about a different set of colonial settlers.

absurd.

This is my position.

I think the islands should be given independence under UN protection.

trailmonkey – Member

you’ve repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.

really – you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.

Still waiting.

That may well be your position, but THEY DON’T WANT to be independent, ffs!

not read all 6 pages of jingoistic chestbeating and south american brinkmanship but is this an official ‘TJ-thread’ yet?

How long after taking something by force does it become your right to decide what happens to it in your opinion Flashy? Imagine its your bike say and a ruffian from the streets robbing you..just asking like

Read the UN they dont get to decide as they are a plantation whose role is to be “british”

Still waiting.

already showed you. but if you don’t want to see. oh, go on then, once more

La malvinas son argentinas

I think the islands should be given independence under UN protection.

so not argentinian then ?

you must have been just joking when you claimed that earlier.

MrSmith – Member
……is this an official ‘TJ-thread’ yet?

A veritable big hitting masterclass 😆

Any answers? You have all avoided this as it shows the hypocrisy here

Now – the right of a people to self determination.

Yes for the Falklanders?

No for the Chagossians

No for the Hong Kong.

No for the scots?

is that how you see it?

What about the cornish?

FI weren’t taken by force.
And FFS stop comparing it to HK, it’s completely irrelevant.

Although first sighted by an English navigator in 1592, the first landing (English) did not occur until almost a century later in 1690, and the first settlement (French) was not established until 1764. The colony was turned over to Spain two years later and the islands have since been the subject of a territorial dispute, first between Britain and Spain, then between Britain and Argentina. The UK asserted its claim to the islands by establishing a naval garrison there in 1833. Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April 1982. The British responded with an expeditionary force that landed seven weeks later and after fierce fighting forced an Argentine surrender on 14 June 1982.

In November 1832, Argentina sent Commander Mestivier as an interim commander to found a penal settlement, but he was killed in a mutiny after 4 days.[24] The following January, British forces returned and requested the Argentine garrison leave. Don Pinedo, captain of the ARA Sarandi and senior officer present, protested but ultimately complied. Vernet’s settlement continued, with the Irishman William Dickson tasked with raising the British flag for passing ships. Vernet’s deputy, Matthew Brisbane, returned and was encouraged by the British to continue with the enterprise.[25][26][27] The settlement continued until August 1833, when the leaders were killed in the so-called Gaucho murders. Subsequently, from 1834 the islands were governed as a naval station until 1840 when the British Government decided to establish a permanent colony.[28]

As previously pointed out, the only ‘colony’ booted out by us was a penal colony. I’d like to know how that female politician can claim that her ancestors were evicted by us, unless of course one ancestor was a soldier or a criminal, and a murderer at that.
As several of the more enlightened have pointed out, there’s an enormous irony in us being lectured about holding onto a ‘colonial past’ by countries who were former colonies seeking to re-establish colonial principals.
And there’s an argument for France being able to stake a claim as well…

Any answers? You have all avoided this as it shows the hypocrisy here

Aaaw bless…

FI weren’t taken by force.

Maybe not, but that Bernie Ecclestone’s still got alot to answer for.

Yes for the Falklanders? Yes, Self Determination

No for the Chagossians? Yes to a right of self determination for the resident population of DG – however its a moot point, as the Chagossians are no longer a resident population

No for the Hong Kong. Yes, a right to self determination, however it does not change the fact that out presence there was bound by the terms of the lease from China, and any decision on self determination is a question between the HK’s, the Chinese, and the UN, nothing to do with the UK

No for the scots? No, they gave up this right when they signed the act of union, which constitutionally binds them to the UK in perpetuity

is that how you see it?

Your Turn now TJ:

Self determination for the Shetlands, yes or no?
Self determination for the Channel islands and Isle of Man, yes or no?
Self determination for Yorkshire? yes or no

TJ: Yes, the right of self determination is fine for all of them. That’s how we see it.
What’s your point?

we’re talking about a different set of colonial settlers.

absurd.

Yep, you said it mate – your suggestion is quite frankly absurd.

This has absolutely nothing to do with “transfering sovereignty to another colonial power”. It is about decolonisation as a stated aim of the United Nations.

Of course perhaps you think that the international community which makes up the United Nations and their opinions on sovereignty issues and the resolutions of the last fifty are “absurd” because they don’t quite fit in with the views of a dozen punters on a mountain bike forum in the UK ?

Ta

Zulu

So for the chagossians no self determination?

If we remove the falklanders by force, refuse the right to return for 40 years does that then mean they are no longer a resident population so lose their right to self determination?

I am in favour of self determination for any group of peoples.

Scuzz – the point is the massive hypocrisy of successive governments treating different groups differently. the treatment of the chagossians is a dreadful stain..

they could have repudiated the hong kong treaty as it was made with a country that no longer exists – certainly not on mainland china

I can’t believe in the modern day, and Argentina being an open country, the UK Government does not know their military capability and planned accordingly. Isn’t their airforce out dated, while we have the latest Typhoons on the Islands? Further to any sea or sub support and the 1000 plus troops, these Typhoons are stationed on a purpose built air force base which can be resupplied via Ascension in what, less than 24hrs?

Yep, you said it mate – your suggestion is quite frankly absurd.

This has absolutely nothing to do with “transfering sovereignty to another colonial power”. It is about decolonisation as a stated aim of the United Nations.

Of course perhaps you think that the international community which makes up the United Nations and their opinions on sovereignty issues and the resolutions of the last fifty are “absurd” because they don’t quite fit in with the views of a dozen punters on a mountain bike forum in the UK ?

so removing the british and transfering sovereignty to argentina will decolonize the falklands ❓

😆

beyond absurd.

the fact that your link from earlier cites statements made by colonial states such as russia and the south americans makes it all the more absurd.

we’re not talking about disenfranchised indegenes we’re taklking about argentine settlers – colonists themselves.

maybe there are times when you have to question the rule of law. especially absurd ones. this seems like one of them to me.

The UN approved the war in afghanisan, are you sure that you want to place them on a pedestal?

I am in favour of self determination for any group of peoples.

Would you support a right for independence from Scotland/self determination for the Shetland Islanders? yes or no TJ?

Zulu-Eleven – Member
Would you support a right for independence/self determination for the Shetland Islanders?

TandemJeremy – Member
I am in favour of self determination for any group of peoples.

I guess that’s a “Yes” then

I am in favour of self determination for any group of peoples.

The Falklanders want to be British, so stfu.