So….the dog bit my Daughter on the face..!!

Most do, don’t they? they join the new pack, assert their position, then live with it, but try to assert a stronger position when they can, like when the pack leaders fail to be the leaders. there’s also a degree of territoriality – not allowed on that couch, eh? so what about this one, ok, this one’s ok, right then it’s mine,
chickens do the same, big fights when new ones arrive, pecking order sorted, one of the higher ones gets sick, more fights, new pecking order established, sick one gets better, reasserts itself etc.

YOU are the alpha animal, YOU define what is and isn’t acceptable and if you define allowing your children to be bitten as acceptable, then you have to accept that the dog will bite your children.

He can be quite an aggresive dog, he’s bitten me before trying to get him out from under the bed, he bit a stranger out on a walk once, my neighbour when he was dropping off some post and he’s also bitten my daughter before, just a little nick on the arm when she was teasing him. We tell her off for teasing him and try to watch them together all the time, but sometimes it’s just not practical.

Fair play! Best troll for ages! Well done!

Cougar + 1

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Our springer when we were younger was ‘a bit enthusiatic’, he was a bit aggressive to me and my brothers and my Mum. The only time he’d do as he was told was when Dad was home.

The vet said “put him down”.

Mum took him to a trainer (apparently famous), who said cut his balls off and bring him to me twice a week. He started behaving himself after a while, although he was still a single minded bugger but wasn’t aggressive.

However, I’m not convinced. It coincided with me and my brothers reaching puberty (and the associated growth spurts); I wonder if in his eyes we moved further up the hierarchy than we were before so he ended up on the bottom rung in the family.

Kids do need their own training with dogs…if a dog is nursing a sore foot, you shouldn’t touch it unless you are someone the dog wouldn’t mind touching it. And you certainly shouldn’t try to take a bone/treat away from him.

BUT. The OPs dog has a history of being aggressive, which can’t be tolerated. It’s all about the acceptance of risk – if you’re willing to accept the risk of him biting again then keep him, if not then you may need to consider your options (training/rehoming/put him down). Think about it this way – if your daughter’s friend comes to visit and is bitten by the dog, do you think the parents of the friend will understand if you were to say “he’s done it before, but we decided not to do anything”.

Out of interest…have you ever trained him?

The reason I ask is some owners of small dogs don’t bother as “they’re only small”. In my opinion, every dog should be trained – big and small, otherwise they’ll make up their own rules.

Not sure why anyone ever asks a question like this on a forum such as STW. Asking for trouble.

We once had a rescue dog that bit my mum. He did it once, got the shit kicked out of him. Never ever even growled after that.

If it was my dog I’d try to keep him seperated, away from the kid (or any kids for that matter – including ones in public). If you aren’t prepared to do this and the dogs trust aint an option then you know what to do 🙁

We once had a rescue dog that bit my mum. He did it once, got the shit kicked out of him. Never ever even growled after that.

Cool. I must try this, does it work on people too?

So sorry to hear about this. A couple of points.

a) pack theory outdated? What has taken its place? I still train mine to be below me in the pack. I eat first, I sleep where I want, I go through doors and gaps first. I am in charge. Yes, they are allowed on the bed, but when invited. If I want them off (and I often make them get off for no particular reason other than to reinforce that it’s my bed) they bloody well get off.

b) it sounds as if you’ve fallen into the common trap of not training your small dog. Sorry about this, if he’s 12, you may struggle to train/retrain.

c) I am completely and utterly batty about dogs. Waaaaay prefer them to humans. BUT I think if he was my boy I would probably have him put to sleep. Why? Because he’s getting on and the upheaval could be very upsetting for him, plus he may get moved on, and on, and on – which would be awful. The vet came out and put Sam to sleep in his favourite place at home, and Missy was put to sleep in the back of my car (one of her favourite places). In both cases, the vet was a trusted friend and the dog simply fell asleep. I’d love to die that way when my time comes.

d) my (hated) step-mother’s (“thing”) dog bit me on the face as we were preparing to go on holiday. It was a poodle, Nicky it was called. His bottom teeth went up inside my top lip and his top teeth came down on my nose. I spent the holiday looking like a clown. I still love dogs and am not afraid of them.

I still love dogs and am not afraid of them.

Go figure. OP what if someone punch your daughter will you just move on or take action. Same with dog. A dog should never brak/growl/bite someone end off.

If you/your child fell off her/his bike, would you put the bike in the crusher?

If you had a car crash, would you crush it and never drive again?

Accidents happen Juan, but I have to admit this dog sounds like a recidivist.

tpbiker is my new hero 😀

pack theory outdated? What has taken its place? I still train mine to be below me in the pack.

have a read of some links if you’re interested; http://www.woofology.com/alpha%20myth.html

I eat first, I sleep where I want, I go through doors and gaps first. I am in charge. Yes, they are allowed on the bed, but when invited. If I want them off (and I often make them get off for no particular reason other than to reinforce that it’s my bed) they bloody well get off.

The dogs do all of these things because you have trained them to, not because they see you as it’s pack leader.

If you/your child fell off her/his bike, would you put the bike in the crusher?

If you had a car crash, would you crush it and never drive again?

Lamest analogy ever… Has the bike crashed himself onto you errrr nope, same gors with the bike.

we did a bit of safety training the other day, as we go into peoples houses where they got dogs-its-ok-he-never-bites-type-things.

Bloke running the course said dachshunds are the nastiest bastards ever. statistics.

i hate dogs, stupid, barky, bitey and shit everywhere.

the owners are worse.

irelanst

I wouldnt bother I’ve been trying to tell this that the pack leader stuff is bollocks for years. That **** Ceasar Milan has a lot to answer for. Dogs dont even form packs left to their own devices and much of the pack leader bollocks about wolves has been dismissed due to the observation being based on captive wolves. You cannot make a dog behave by dominating it you should train it.

dangerous them Daschunds
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168159108001147

Canine aggression poses serious public health and animal welfare concerns. Most of what is understood about breed differences in aggression comes from reports based on bite statistics, behavior clinic caseloads, and experts’ opinions. Information on breed-specific aggressiveness derived from such sources may be misleading due to biases attributable to a disproportionate risk of injury associated with larger and/or more physically powerful breeds and the existence of breed stereotypes. The present study surveyed the owners of more than 30 breeds of dogs using the Canine Behavioral Assessment and Research Questionnaire (C-BARQ), a validated and reliable instrument for assessing dogs’ typical and recent responses to a variety of common stimuli and situations. Two independent data samples (a random sample of breed club members and an online sample) yielded significant differences among breeds in aggression directed toward strangers, owners and dogs (Kruskal–Wallis tests, P < 0.0001).

Eight breeds common to both datasets (Dachshund, English Springer Spaniel, Golden Retriever, Labrador Retriever, Poodle, Rottweiler, Shetland Sheepdog and Siberian Husky) ranked similarly, rs = 0.723, P < 0.05; rs = 0.929, P < 0.001; rs = 0.592, P = 0.123, for aggression directed toward strangers, dogs and owners, respectively. Some breeds scored higher than average for aggression directed toward both humans and dogs (e.g., Chihuahuas and Dachshunds) while other breeds scored high only for specific targets (e.g., dog-directed aggression among Akitas and Pit Bull Terriers). In general, aggression was most severe when directed toward other dogs followed by unfamiliar people and household members. Breeds with the greatest percentage of dogs exhibiting serious aggression (bites or bite attempts) toward humans included Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers (toward strangers and owners); Australian Cattle Dogs (toward strangers); and American Cocker Spaniels and Beagles (toward owners). More than 20% of Akitas, Jack Russell Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers were reported as displaying serious aggression toward unfamiliar dogs. Golden Retrievers, Labradors Retrievers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Brittany Spaniels, Greyhounds and Whippets were the least aggressive toward both humans and dogs. Among English Springer Spaniels, conformation-bred dogs were more aggressive to humans and dogs than field-bred dogs (stranger aggression: Mann–Whitney U test, z = 3.880, P < 0.0001; owner aggression: z = 2.110, P < 0.05; dog-directed aggression: z = 1.93, P = 0.054), suggesting a genetic influence on the behavior. The opposite pattern was observed for owner-directed aggression among Labrador Retrievers, (z = 2.18, P < 0.05) indicating that higher levels of aggression are not attributable to breeding for show per se.

If you/your child fell off her/his bike, would you put the bike in the crusher?

If the bike spontaneously took it upon itself to maul him whilst he was sitting at home next to it, then yes, I would.

Bit you.

Bit a stranger.

Bit your neighbour.

Bit your daughter twice.

Um I am afraid if it was mine it would be dead already.

As a 2 year old child I was bitten by a corgi (small dog), it’s given me a fear of dogs for life.
Over the years I’ve been bitten by other dogs and yet dog owners always tell me that their little pooch wouldn’t harm a flea.

I personally would have it put down, however even as a person that is fearful of dogs I realise how painful it will be for you.

Your daughter comes first.

1. Dogs Trust.
b. Honest explanation.
iii. Hefty donation.

My bikes always trying to kill me

So that’s why you keep getting rid of them ?

Its either that or I watch them. The missus also makes sure that they are never on the sofa with me

Our dog Murphy(a border collie who sadly passed away recently at just 9yrs old) was nearly perfect, but he was still a dog.

Incident 1 – Minding his own business, asleep at my feet, approx 2yrs old. A toddler tries ramming a large Tonka toy up his arse at speed. Murph turns fast and shows him a face full of teeth. No harm done.

Incident 2 – 2 months later. My wife makes him sit so my 2 yr old niece can pet him. As she gets close he nips her cheek.

We then muzzled him in her company till she is 3 yrs old (a bit taller).

Incident 3 – After hours of hassle from my niece and two friends while camping he gave a warning growl when he needed a rest.

When Murph was 7 we then had our own child. We followed the directions given by Caesar The Dog Whisperer when we brought Reuben home.

Murph died when Roobs was 21 months old. In that time he growled once or twice when Roobs started crawling and once had a quick snarl/nip (no contact) when he crawled on him on the bed.
Each time we made it very clear to the dog that he was in the wrong and banned him from the bed/couch, etc for a while.

Only you can decide but we are glad that we gave our dog a chance. They were becoming good friends before he died.

We would also admit that we didn’t treat the dog like a dog. We will treat the next one differently.

If it were my dog it would now be in nearest dog home.

Daschunds…. Horrible little things.

Dog has to go sadly. It bites and isn’t choosy if it’s in the mood.

No doubt it can be rehired – we took in a psychotic cat 6 years ago which is now a very sociable animal, but had we had no kids at the time. If kids had been around he’d never have settled. Your Dachshund will never settle safely with kids around.

We had two Germany Shepherds when I was a child the first would play with cats and very gentle dog. The second one consistently fought with other dogs, although was great with people. He would occasionally low growl at strange kids if they grabbed him round the neck but nothing else. The first had an epileptic fit and tried to attack my father, there was no question he was put down. Very distressing but necessary, dogs are animals not people, as much as people try to attach human emotions and characteristics to them they remain an animal in your house. You prioritise your family not your animals its that simple for me, as difficult as that decision might be.

a mate of mine had this collie that no one could live with untill he took charge of it.
guess what the solution was ..
everytime the the hound stepped out of line it got a proper kicking. 😐
worked though.

and the dog seemed happy enough.

I think too many young couples get dogs as “baby substitutes” until they are ready to commit to the real thing.

everytime the the hound stepped out of line it got a proper kicking.

That’s not how you train a dog though… you know that right? If they’ve never been trained, they are edgy instinctive creatures. Kicking the crap out of it because it wasn’t properly trained isn’t a decent solution really because then it’s just living in fear surely? If people can’t handle them – ring around your local independent farmers and they will usually take them off your hands and make them working dogs.

That’s not how you train a dog though

Worjs for me so the fecker won’t start again.

I am sure that some of these posts (give the dog a kicking) are deliberate wind ups (yes they work) but I hope the posters are aware of the 2006 Animal Welfare Act and it’s criminal implications. Not so bright to abuse animals and even less so to boast about it on a public forum IMO. A bit more serious than riding a cheeky trail.

I totally agree teamhurtmore, you don’t go around kicking animals unless you’re a moron.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies on here guys, some were useful some less so.
We spent a large part of yesterday ringing & emailing our extended family to see if anyone might take him, no joy so far. We’re now looking at the Dogs Trust as some have suggested on here. On their FAQ about hard to rehome dogs apparently they have a Sancturay:

Some of our dogs prefer not to live with people and these live in our sanctuary.

This large secure field with shelter, allows dogs to roam and form natural relationships within the group.

The dogs here are happy, content and living a life free of the stresses with which they have shown they cannot cope. They are fed regularly, health-checked and have human interaction with two dedicated carers.

So this looks our best bet and I will give them a ring later. We’ll make a decent donation & pledge to donate every year until he dies, we could also see if we can sponsor him so we can get updates on his welfare and stuff. I hope that we can also go up and take him out for walks if he doesn’t get rehomed. This seems a lot more appealing than putting him down.
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Shame for the dog but he’s got to go, aren’t most kids evil little feckers around pets though? I’m for ever catching my nieces and nephews pinching/pulling at my parent’s dog (fortunately it’s very docile and just walks away as it’s a great dane so could do some damage, although it does get it’s own back by ‘accidentally’ knocking them over when it barges past to get somewhere ;p ). Watched a toddler in a pub on Sunday poking at the eyes of a border collie that was just minding it’s business whilst the rest of the family ate, it had more patience than me.

you don’t go around kicking animals unless you’re a moron.

Coming from someone who prefers his dog than his own daughter I am not sure it makes me a moron. Dog comes to me growing or showing teeth, well sorry budy but I make sure he understand I don’t like being threaten.

you don’t go around kicking animals unless you’re a moron.

Coming from someone who prefers his dog than his own daughter I am not sure it makes me a moron. Dog comes to me growing or showing teeth, well sorry budy but I make sure he understand I don’t like being threaten.

If a dog just bit me, I couldn’t give a monkeys about the Animal Welfare Act.

Last time a dog bit me, it was an uncontrollable yappy jack russell. The owner was in a state of panic, as they didn’t know how to handle their prized family pet.

A few second later the dog was knocked out by a hard right foot. Now the owner was more hysterical as their dog instantly went from yappy to silent.

I’ve got a scar on my leg from that dog, and the dog probably had a fractured skull. I don’t think the dog will be biting any more people.

I’ll get shot down for this – but I feel strongly enough to post it…

This large secure field with shelter, allows dogs to roam and form natural relationships within the group.

The dogs here are happy, content and living a life free of the stresses with which they have shown they cannot cope. They are fed regularly, health-checked and have human interaction with two dedicated carers.

So this looks our best bet and I will give them a ring later.

Seriously – for a 12 year old Dachsund who has known nothing else but near constant human company and sleeping on a sofa?

I’m really sorry for your situation, but you helped to made this little fella into what he is. If you can’t find a suitable home for him (where he can end his days peacefully) then MTFU and take him to the vet yourself. I can’t help but feel that his ‘natural place within the group’ will be a pretty low and sad one.

(Xiphon – words almost fail me….but your must (and judging from your post, do) feel very proud. :?)

Good decision Jekkyl and best of luck with it. I hope cabbage is happy in the sanctuary.

teamhurtmore – I don’t hate dogs, but a short and memorable warning when they do something dangerous (“It could have been a ch…… hang on a minute..”) will hopefully prevent them from doing it in the future. They will remember: biting people = sore head.

Xiphon, what you did was right.

However, etiquette dictates that you do at least say “Oh, I’ve never done that before” and “I’m only playing”.

I had a similar experience to the OP. Family dog, owned since a puppy, bit my youngest daughter on the face and head when it was approx 2. It was a Kerry Blue Terrier so could be a bit excitable around other dogs but had always been great with people esp the youngest daughter. After the incident, the dog was at the vets within the hour. Yes it was difficult to leave him there as he was one of the family (and a pretty good trail dog), but it wasn’t half as hard as having to go to the hospital afterwards, to watch my daughter getting stitches in her head.