SOME dog owners make me very angry…..

Right to a cup of tea?

Right said fred?

Right-wing agenda?

Right to party?

Right to roam, Scotty dogs only….

right to their own opinion, unless they’re on this forum.

Right to bear arms?

righteous indignation, especially if they’re on this forum.

Charlie – right to liberty? thats an end to dog owning then. No more animal farming. No more hunting.

Sure, they can have a right to liberty. It does end ‘ownership’ but I don’t ‘own’ my children and they have human rights and they live with me. So the same could be extended to dogs, cat’s already have the right to liberty obviously, so no change needed there. No more hunting is a given, no problems there. Of course, this works in the same way Human rights work. Like rats and mice, if they break certain laws, rules, codes of practice, H&S regulations. Then they have some of those ‘rights’ revoked, like humans do and then if they repeat offend then they get executed, like in some States. And no more farming too. We shouldn’t really be eating animals and making them subservient to us. Well, except for the tasty ones, like cows and pigs, and chicken wings. Ooh! and venison, so deer have fewer rights too. But all the other ones can have rights, not just based on ‘prettiness’ or cuteness. Of course turkeys and gooses too, especially at this time of year, they have fewer rights. It’s not too difficult. I’m sure we can work it out. We can set up a series of guidelines with a caveat that if Jamie or Hugh come up with a decent recipe, then certain animals’ rights are re-assessed. Not Heston or that bloke who does the survival stuff though, ‘cos the is dirty bastards who’ll eat anything at that kind of undermines the high-minded principles on which the idea of individual animal rights are predicated.

Very good charlie.

I remember when I was about 6 or 7 I was playing in the garden while my dad was doing some work. Some guy was walking by with his dog which caught sight of me. It came bounding up barking it’s head off and started trying to nip at my heels.

I was pretty much frozen solid until my dad came over with a shovel and took a **** good swing at the thing. The dog was smart enough to run behind it’s owner who was running up our garden. The guy was going mental saying “He was only playing, he wasn’t going to hurt him!” and all that usual jazz.

So, Dog Owners (or rather Dog Owners Who Are ****), how do parents tell when a dog that is scaring your kid is just playing and when it is going to bite his face off?

I remember when I was about 6 or 7 I was playing in the garden while my dad was doing some work. Some guy was walking by with his dog which caught sight of me. It came bounding up barking it’s head off and started trying to nip at my heels.

I was pretty much frozen solid until my dad came over with a shovel and took a **** good swing at the thing. The dog was smart enough to run behind it’s owner who was running up our garden. The guy was going mental saying “He was only playing, he wasn’t going to hurt him!” and all that usual jazz.

So, Dog Owners (or rather Dog Owners Who Are ****), how do parents tell when a dog that is scaring your kid is just playing and when it is going to bite his face off?

It’s all in the body language.

If a dog comes legging it over to a small child, barking, then IMHO you’re perfectly within your rights to hoof it into the middle distance.

I don’t know whether that constitutes contravening the rights some people want to give them, or not? I suppose we’ll just have to wait for the European Court of Human Rights to rule on that one

If a dog comes legging it over to a small child, barking, then IMHO you’re perfectly within your rights to hoof it into the middle distance.

*sigh*

binners in unusual display of keyboard warriorship shocka. Obviously frustrated over exit from CL.

*is disappointed*

My dog is as soft as butter, he’s lovely, dopey and wouldn’t hurt any child. He’s well trained and will come on call.

Here’s a photo to give you the idea of how soft he is.

But! he’s also quite big dog (large lab) has very big teeth (grrrr) and looks quite scary. (especially if you’re sub three ft tall)

He looks just like other dogs and not all dogs are well trained and well looked after.

For that reason in a public place where people don’t universally love dogs or when children are about he stays on a lead.

Simple rule: The feelings of other people come first and if I think that there’s a chance somebody will be intimated by him (even though I know he’s lovely) he stays on the lead.

Also if a dog came into my garden and started nipping at my kids a shovel would be deployed in the direction of the dog.

Also that Jeremy chap is correct Dogs don’t have rights and Kids come first.

binners in unusual display of keyboard warriorship shocka. Obviously frustrated over exit from CL.

*is disappointed*

You mean like this:

Actually I’ve got the painters in Bravisimo. And its Monday. And its cold and rainy. I’m howling against the injustice of it all. Railling aginst the world.

So… when you look at it like that, Its actually quite restrained

Actually I’ve got the painters in

Sniggers

richc – wrong on all counts but why let that stop you.

TJ, could you clarify the all counts, by answering these questions.

So you have owned a dog? If so when, what type and for how long.

You have been left to look after children on your own without any supervision? How old were you, how old was the the child and for how long

And you do have real legal training? if so where and when

And you have been to a court? again where, when, and for what

If you could humour me with answers, that would prove me wrong and I will apologise.

NB: Back to the point of the thread, the initial response seemed a bit aggressive, but if your children was scared the dog owners should have grabbed there dogs and put them on the lead.

he wont answer your questions.

far as i can tell, TJ is scared of dogs, has no experience of children, has no formal legal training and has only ever been to court as a defendant*

love that the OP bailled on his own thread on p.1 but even that cant deter the #STWdogfightfest.

*all IMO.

far as i can tell, TJ is scared of dogs

He doesn’t like them and plays on the phobia card for effect, even though it does rob those with real phobias of something, it’s like taking a walking stick on a bus to get a seat when there’s nothing wrong with you, all a bit pathetic.
Don’t forget either that not having personal experience is only OK to use when it is TJ doing the shooting down, it can not be used against him. Think about the consequences of such an action.
Who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris?

Ok

Family dog for about three years when I was a teenager

Some experiences with kids – both friends and professionally

Honousr degree level course in law at Stirling university – just a part of a degree and mainly looking at principles and assault / consent

Been in court as a witness and as a expert witness

All I ask is that ( like some dog owners here seem to understand) is that you keep your dog under control in public as you have a legal and moral obligation to do so. I don’t ask that hey be on a lead at all times, nor that they are banned in towns. All I ask is simply that I can go about by daily life without being bothered by your dog.

Its not rocket science

*packs away rod and reel*

If that’s true TJ, then I apologise.

Nae worries richc

Nowt wrong with that TJ.

Its not rocket science

We could turn it into rocket science though TJ. If we wanted. We could build a mahoosive gert big rocket, round up all the dogs in the country* Pied Piper stylee, and blast them all into orbit. I’ll be honest with you. I wouldn’t miss ’em.

* We could let the guide dogs off. Possibly.

However …….. from an earlier thread, I quote:

TandemJeremy – Member
…. snip ….
I have not owned a dog – I base my observations on my friends dogs and those I meet when out cycling. My pal has his dog trained immaculately and so do other people. You know – walk to heel, come on command, drop on caommand that sort of thing
… snip ….

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/mtb-hazards-dogs/page/2

Which makes this statement, less clear.

Family dog for about three years when I was a teenager

We could use a hot air balloon to get the dog powered rocket up high – plenty of hot air available here

It was really my grandparents dog tho in the same house – I didn’t train it. tht was more than 30 years ago I had forgotton realy

All I ask is that ( like some dog owners here seem to understand) is that you keep your dog under control in public as you have a legal and moral obligation to do so. I don’t ask that hey be on a lead at all times, nor that they are banned in towns. All I ask is simply that I can go about by daily life without being bothered by your dog.

We were almost there with a sensible closing post and an apology. And along came binners… 😯

So close guys. So close.

Well going back to the OP – I just really don’t see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn’t under control, is threatening my small child’s safety, that I shouldn’t be able to boot it into the middle of next week?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me

Well going back to the OP – I just really don’t see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn’t under control, is threatening my small child’s safety, that I shouldn’t be able to boot it into the middle of next week?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me

Yep, if my dog did that and you booted it into next week you’d have my support.

Well going back to the OP – I just really don’t see how you can assert that if an animal, which isn’t under control, is threatening my small child’s safety, that I shouldn’t be able to boot it into the middle of next week?

If you’re quoting the OP – the dog came up and had a ‘sniff’ – hardly threatened the child’s safety.

hardly threatened the child’s safety.

I don’t know that though do I? It was bounding around, and the owners are apparently not bothered. Perhaps I should just do nothing, cross my fingers and just hope for the best eh?

Or alternatively, I could do what comes instinctively to a parent and protect my kids

For gods sake man! It could be a childs face next time!

* We could let the guide dogs off. Possibly.

Nah, they can go too:
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Nah, they can go too:
shetland ponies for the blind

O_O

Waaaaannnnnnt!

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