SOME dog owners make me very angry…..

Richc you realy are pathetic and laughable. really 🙄

I really find it so sad that grown men will put their dogs before their fellow humans.

Question – Ever wondered why there is a “Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals”, but only a “National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children”?

Answer – It’s because despite it having a royal charter, the NSPCC didn’t want to be confused with the RSPCA! Interesting how the one preceded the other though…

TandemJeremy – Member
All I see is more and more desperate attempts from the dog owners to discredit anyone who wants them to behave in a responsible manner.- do you realise how laughable and sad you are?
It really is quite pathetic – especially the inventing of things I am supposed to have sad.
I really find it so sad that grown men will put their dogs before their fellow humans.

TJ, why are you avoiding posting the Law that these dog owners are supposedly breaking ?

I quoted you earlier saying it was their “Legal Responsibility” *

So come on, which law are they breaking ???

Must be simple enough to find as you seemed happy to use it in your argument.

Simple way to end this discussion is to enlighten us ???

* (just in case you accuse me of making up things you said, It was a cut and paste quote, in full)

All I see is more and more desperate attempts from the dog owners to discredit anyone who wants them to behave in a responsible manner.- do you realise how laughable and sad you are?

TJ most of us have written the opposite of what you said, I’d be mortified if my dog ran up to a child and jumped up she just doesnt do that, I’d be equally upset if she was bugging a picnicing couple (she has to be actively stopped from this), but your refusal to take the advice I give you about how to behave around dogs as anything other than a declaration of my own inability to control my dog is offensive.

You have also never managed to come up with any law that supports your own somewhat blinkered view.

I really find it so sad that grown men will put their dogs before their fellow humans.

Everytime because my dog wouldn’t kill in the name of religion.

Neal – I have posted it all many times before and I posted a good clear set of definitions earlier on your legal obligations = there more but you will attempt to rubbish anything I post.
Kennel club has some good stuff on it if you are interested.

Richc you realy are pathetic and laughable. really

So from that response, I take it you aren’t going to actually grow some and report the out of control dog that sniffed you? I wonder why that might be ……. ?

Can you please explain why you are so hesitant to report this? As it just leads everyone to assume that you realise deep down that you are being totally unreasonable, and your attitude is ridiculous.

Everytime because my dog wouldn’t kill in the name of religion.

Mine might maim you for a sausage roll though ……

Kennel club has some good stuff on it if you are interested.

Kennel club posts guidelines, you stated there is a law to stop a dog sniffing you, that’s the one people are after.

Ask the dog warden to clarify this law, when you email him about your assault.

The better I get to know men TJ, the more I find myself loving dogs.

Charles de Gaulle

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No richc – I understand the law.
You are claiming I said stuff I never did in order to attempt to discredit me and you look utterly hysterical and ridiculous. that line is not for minor civil wrongs. its for criminal acts.

Guys – its really simple. keep you dog under control and everyone is happy. you have a legal obligation to keep your dog under control under a whole variety of bits of law.

just accept your legal obligation and everyone is happy.

you stated there is a law to stop a dog sniffing you, that’s the one people are after.

really? – I did? – copy the post.

Nor did I claim it was an assault.

TandemJeremy – Member
Neal – I have posted it all many times before and I posted a good clear set of definitions earlier on your legal obligations = there more but you will attempt to rubbish anything I post.
Kennel club has some good stuff on it if you are interested.

No no no no.

You posted something from “The Countryside Code”

I would have thought that with your “legal training” you would know that that’s not quite the same as an Actual Law.

So. ……. …. Again.

What LAW[/b] are the dog owners breaking by allowing their dogs to wander around sniffing things/people ??

You said they had a “Legal Responsibility” to stop them doing this.

Under what LAW ??
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(clue- there isn’t one, your talking bollx and you probably have realised that by now)

Neal – stop talking hysterical pish – really how stupid do you look.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/1052 is a starting point

I dont think he has realised it, I’ve had the same attempt at a conversation with him before

What LAW are the dog owners breaking by allowing their dogs to wander around sniffing things/people ??

I said this where?

come on – you claim I said this so show me where?

AA – of course I realise it – And I know its futile really but I hope that one dog owner might become a bit more responsible one day – there is always hope but look at the hysterical attacks on me here its seems unlikely.

http://www.endangereddogs.com/EDDRDogLaw.htm

TandemJeremy – Member

Prezet – why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me? I don’t like it, I don’t want your dog to do this. Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

Unless you feel that the ‘legal responsibilities’ aren’t linked to the legal system, ergo the Law?

As for links, thats nice, now give us a reference to the ‘anti-sniffing’ legislation

there is always hope but look at the hysterical attacks on me here its seems unlikely.

It’s only equal to your level of hysteria TeeJ. Thanks for wrecking the thread. Again.

TandemJeremy – Member
Neal – stop talking hysterical pish – really how stupid do you look.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/1052 is a starting point

Yep. That’s the one.

Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3)

It is a criminal offence (for the owner and/or the person in charge of the dog) to allow a dog to be ‘dangerously out of control’ in a public place, a place where it is not permitted to be, and some other areas. A ‘dangerously out of control’ dog can be defined as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it may do so. [/u]

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You would need “Reasonable grounds” to have any sort of legal case.

And what exactly is it about a calm Dog wandering around sniffing people/things that would give anyone reasonable grounds to assume they were at risk of injury ??

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Presuming that would indeed be “Hysterical Pish” 🙄

TJ I cannot be bothered to read through all of that but none of it seems to apply the way you describe, the dangerous dogs act requires a person to have reasonable grounds for being scared, having your crotched sniffed doesnt seem to be reasoable grounds as far as I can see.

TJ, people are taking your “legal responsibility” assertion to mean an obligation under law. Rightly or wrongly I don’t know, but I can’t immediately see how something not backed up by a law is a “legal” responsibility. Perhaps you could clarify?

FWIW, I’m kinda with TJ on this. I like dogs, but owners should take responsibility for their animals. If a dog is scaring a child, it’s not the child’s fault. Sure, the OP or whoever should reassure their kids and not unnecessarily antagonise the third party, but making out that it’s somehow the parent’s fault for the incident is akin to saying that rape victims were “asking for it.”

It’s not hard, is it. It’s not the end of the world but I don’t particularly want to get covered in slobber and muddy paws whilst I’m out minding my own business, and on a bike friendly dogs are probably a bigger hazard than aggressive ones. Get your pooch under control for a few seconds, I’ll be gone before you know it.

Right – and that means what you claimed above in you hysterical outburst?
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FWIW, I’m kinda with TJ on this. I like dogs, but owners should take responsibility for their animals. If a dog is scaring a child, it’s not the child’s fault. Sure, the OP or whoever should reassure their kids and not unnecessarily antagonise the third party, but making out that it’s somehow the parent’s fault for the incident is akin to saying that rape victims were “asking for it.”

It’s not hard, is it. It’s not the end of the world but I don’t particularly want to get covered in slobber and muddy paws whilst I’m out minding my own business, and on a bike friendly dogs are probably a bigger hazard than aggressive ones. Get your pooch under control for a few seconds, I’ll be gone before you know it.

I dont think anyone has said this isnt the case, I merely have pointed out that as we dont live in an ideal world and many people are idiots (many of whom own dogs) a bit of knowledge about dogs may help people like TJ go about their life somewhat more happily. Apparently this makes me selfish and the owner of an out of control dog.

TandemJeremy – Member
Right – and that means what you claimed above in you hysterical outburst

Was that aimed at me ?

Which “hysterical outburst” ?

How come when you quote law, you are proving a point

But when someone else does it (perfectly calmly by the way) it somehow mutates in your mind as a “Hysterical Outburst” ?

Just explain how these dog owners are breaking the law please ? (without trying to is discredit me for pointing it out) please.

Civil wrong or crime?

Very simply for the hard of thinking

3 aspects

dog must be kept under control – – some circumstances
dog must be under close control – other cicumstances
dogs must not be dangerously out of control

the first two are civil law, the third criminal.

You still have legal obligation to keep your dog under control even in if its civil not criminal law.

teh best definitions are as I posted above.

You can argue about what constitutes being under control, you cannot argue you do not have an obligation to control your animal under the law. Yo have a legal obligation under civil law and under the animals act.

so if your dog scares someone that is a criminal offense and the dog can be put down and you convicted and fined under criminal law. If it merely irritates them its civil offense for whihc you couldbe ordered to make restitution

Pathetic hysterical exaggerations are really childish.

Sorry got bored, wandered off did some work…
Have we resolved this yet?

When does the Canine cull start?

Very simply for the hard of thinking

Pathetic hysterical exaggerations are really childish.

We all know what happens soon don’t we?

TJ knows he’s right, and the Law’s on his side, that’s why he refuses to report out of control sniffing dogs to the dog warden, who he is sure won’t laugh at him ………

so if your dog scares someone that is a criminal offense and the dog can be put down and you convicted and fined under criminal law. If it merely irritates them its civil offense for whihc you couldbe ordered to make restitution

Why aren’t you on the phone *NOW* demanding that all sniffing dog be destroyed immediately, its the only way you can safely leave you house.

Oh perhaps, its because you know you are wrong ….. yet again

If a dog is scaring a child, it’s not the child’s fault.

I think we all agree on this, regardless. No one wants to see dogs intimidating children (or anyone for that matter). And in those circumstances the owners should place their dogs on a lead, and muzzle if they’re know to be, or become aggressive.

bike friendly dogs are probably a bigger hazard than aggressive ones

Again, I agree. When I see a bike I put my dog back on her lead (if she’s off), or manually restrain her until the cyclist has passed. For the safety of both parties. Not that she’s interested in people on bikes, or runners.

Neal

And what exactly is it about a calm Dog wandering around sniffing people/things that would give anyone reasonable grounds to assume they were at risk of injury ??

What LAW are the dog owners breaking by allowing their dogs to wander around sniffing things/people

I claimed this when?

so if your dog scares someone that is a criminal offense and the dog can be put down and you convicted and fined under criminal law.

My dog terrifies people walking down the road on a lead next to frank in his pram regularly, I am somewhat shocked to find she could be killed or are you just wrong and missed out that important wording about reasoanable grounds again. You dont have talk some rubbish.

You can argue about what constitutes being under control

I think this is the problem. Most people on here seem to have a common sense view on what is percieved as ‘out of control’ – however, TJ, you seem to think that a dog ‘sniffing’ someones ankle violates this.

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Richc – why do you keep repeating this hysterical exaggeration of what I have said?
it doesn’t make it any more sensible, real or anything like anything I have said. 🙄

Anyone else noticed that the more fanatical TJ gets the worse his typing is?

I wonder if the spittle is effecting his keyboard?

TJ go on, call the dog warden, be a man, human contact won’t hurt you and you can hang up if he laughs at you.

prezet – Member

You can argue about what constitutes being under control

I think this is the problem. Most people on here seem to have a common sense view on what is percieved as ‘out of control’ – however, TJ, you seem to think that a dog ‘sniffing’ someones ankle violates this.

really – where did I say that?

What LAW are the dog owners breaking by allowing their dogs to wander around sniffing things/people

I claimed this when?

Prezet – why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me? I don’t like it, I don’t want your dog to do this. Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

You’ve been trolling for the last three pages haven’t you TeeJ?

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