SNP. You LOST, get over it

teamhurtmore – Member
…Whenever the vulnerability to and predictions of a falling/volatile oils price were pointed out, the DO and others hid behind the 3B smokescreen that they relied upon unsuccessfully throughout. A blatant political/ego-driven sham. The extraordinary thing is just how many fell for it…

Dinna fret laddy. We’ll be gone soon. Our numbers are growing daily.

Meanwhile, do these circumstances not also apply to the misUnited Kingdom? I don’t see any magic wands.

Meanwhile, do these circumstances not also apply to the misUnited Kingdom?

yes, but to a lesser degree, because the economic base is more diversified.

(misUnited Kingdom! that’s very witty)

when we declare independence next year once we have a majority of pro independence MPs in Scotland.

That worked so well for Ian Smith that it can’t fail to be an absolutely brilliant idea for Scotland too! Brilliant thinking, you should be promoted to the SNP front bench with talent like that.

bearGrease – Member
“when we declare independence next year once we have a majority of pro independence MPs in Scotland.”

That worked so well for Ian Smith that it can’t fail to be an absolutely brilliant idea for Scotland too! Brilliant thinking, you should be promoted to the SNP front bench with talent like that.

Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately I’m not an SNP supporter, so I think they be a wee bit reluctant to have me. 🙂

Rhodesia’s legal basis was English law.

Scotland is subject to Scots law. In Scotland the people are sovereign, not the parliament as in England, so we do have the right.

In Scotland the people are sovereign, not the parliament as in England, so we do have the right.

Yes and it appears to have slipped your mind that very recently those people voted to remain in the union.

We’ll be gone soon. Our numbers are growing daily.

Big queues at Glasgow Airport, then?

Sadly, you’re going to have to pay for your own tickets, though. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, will you?

Unfortunately I’m not an SNP supporter, so I think they be a wee bit reluctant to have me.

And also, if you’d been keeping up, you would realise that this is no barrier to representing the SNP. They really will have anyone.

Salmond as Deputy PM?

Hope he gets stuck into the Westminster bastards!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30364575

bearGrease – Member
“In Scotland the people are sovereign, not the parliament as in England, so we do have the right.”

Yes and it appears to have slipped your mind that very recently those people voted to remain in the union.

Indeed, and now they see they were fed a pack of lies about “more powers’, they are regretting it. And bitter about it too.

The future is bright for independence.

It really is quite a clever strategy.

Behave more and more like a sulky stroppy teenager, until everyone else actually wants you to leave home.

It is a shame because the majority did vote to stay, and I love the place, but I’m really really beginning to wish they had voted yes, so we could be done with this.

For years the behavior of northern Ireland politicians achieved the same for many of us I suspect, the unionists were just embarrassing belligerent bigots, and deserved to be cut loose. But now things seem better.

If there’s one thing the Yes movement isn’t doing, it’s sulking. We’re getting stuck in, joining political parties like never before, launching new media outlets and campaign groups. Whereas the No side are behaving like they lost, leaders resigning left and right, whining about how we won’t lie down, and only managing the tired “vote SNP to get Tories” line.

It was the biggest political angagement of a generation at least, 1.6M people voted for change (and a substantial number of No voters wanted change too), that won’t go away.

Stoatsbrother – Member
It really is quite a clever strategy.
Behave more and more like a sulky stroppy teenager, until everyone else actually wants you to leave home.

No, it’s more a desire to get away from being in a country where unelected representatives are profiting out of dismembering our national infrastructure.

This sort of thing (scroll down) – see the pigs at the trough

epicyclo that’s fine. You are entitled to your views, and many of us could argue that the interference of Scots Politicians in English issues has been a problem too, but the rest of your Nation were simply not convinced enough to agree with the proposal. It was indeed a triumph of democracy, a joy to see such a turnout, and some time after it spent in quiet reflection by both sides might be good.

Just heard Miss Boyack on radio Scotland a minute ago, claiming there is a discord between the population and politics. Another example of how far out of touch Scottish labour are.

Then Jim the liar Murphy claiming you can’t vote SNP as it means David Cameron will get back in power. Jesus wept.

bencooper – Member
It was the biggest political angagement of a generation at least, 1.6M people voted for change…

And remind us how many voted for the actual result? Democracy hey, it’s a bummer….!!!

Perhaps a little introspection might be in order. The best opportunity to achieve your goals missed because (if polls are to be believed) the yS leaders were unable/unwilling to answer basic, fundamental questions. Why, because they knew what the real answer was but preferred to hoodwink those they pretend to represent. And yet, despite this and consistent with the whining stereotype, the blame is shifted elsewhere. Incredible despite being expected and true to form.

bencooper – Member
If there’s one thing the Government movement isn’t doing, it’s behaving like it lost. New powers are being devolved on time and in a coordinate fashion (yes it’s not just about you!). We’re getting stuck in and executing, whereas the YS side are unable to accept they lost, leaders resign, whining about how we won’t lie down etc and only managing the tired “it’s the fault of Westminster Tories” line.

At some point, yessers may STFU and take responsibility. Look at why you lost, there was a massive thread devoted to the subject. It’s very simple to see.

The irony of the DO coming to swim with the big boys is not lost – it really IS all about HIM. Let’s hope, however, that he has learned a thing or too from his track record of own goals, for all our sakes.

and only managing the tired “vote SNP to get Tories” line.

Did you see the story in the last Private Eye, Ben? The one that described how Labour and the Lib Dems are proposing rolling back bus “deregulation” (privatisation) in Scotland (a key Thatcherite policy) but the SNP is opposed – because Stagecoach founder Brian Souter makes his money on buses and has donated large sums to Yes and SNP. And Souter also lobbied to keep (the Scottish equivalent of) section 28 (another landmark Tory bit of legislation) from being repealed.

Protecting the interests of multimillionaire homophobes over the public interest in administration of public transport? Sounds a lot like Tartan Tories to me.

…they will be introducing private sector solutions in the NHS next 😉

I’m not a big fan of some SNP policies – they’re too close to big business – but to claim they’re like the Tories is ridiculous. They’re far more left wing than Labour at the moment. And this is the problem – all Labour in Scotland have to offer is “we’re not Tories” while at the same time Labour south of the border are cosying up to white van man.

No-one’s really going to win the next general election – the Tories will probably get more votes by turning themselves into UKIP, but it’ll be a pox on all their houses. What’ll be interesting is how the Scottish vote goes in the GE.

Protecting the interests of multimillionaire homophobes over the public interest in administration of public transport? Sounds a lot like Tartan Tories to me.

+1

not been following this thread so it may have been covered but the Scottish government have suddenly quietly stopped funding marine renewables development in Scotland, with almost immediate devastating results and more to come.

http://renews.biz/79732/wave-and-tidal-staring-into-abyss/
http://renews.biz/80273/aquamarine-to-shrink-business/
http://renews.biz/79962/jobs-massacre-at-pelamis/

Certainly looks like Salmond’s marine renewable energy dream is coming to an end at the moment anyway, which is a terrible shame. I doubt the timing of this decision and the new cabinet being sworn in is a coincidence. The government can still rescue what is left before everyone goes, if they have any competence…

Thm still true to form I see. What is clear is that more people voted no than yes. Did those no voters vote for what was offered in the vow according to the Daily Record? Did they vote for The Smith Commission proposals? Did they vote for whatever version of devolution might eventually make its way onto the statute book?

Only you could cite a democratic vote and then claim that 45% of those who voted should STFU rather than be involved in discussing important issues like The Smith Commission etc

Remember the thread title. More voted against. 45/55 is a pretty clear win in political terms for better together.

The “vow” looks to me like it’s being implemented in full, but the truth was never going to get int he way of some top,quality SNP bull

I imagine the prospect of two salaries for two jobs at the same time is hard to resist. I think that needs to be looked at, you shouldn’t be able to hold two representative offices at the same time. Should apply to everyone btw

I agree with your last point jambalaya. In his defence though Alex Salmon has said if he is elected he will donate one salary to charity as he did before when he was elected to the Scottish Parliament

@gordi – I thought he said he’d donate his first minister pension to his own charity whilst he remained an MSP. There aren’t too many jobs where your allowed to two at the same time. Too many Westminster MPs esp Tories do this. Being an MP is and should be a full time job. My contract says I can’t even do other paid work in evenings or at weekends.

Comment from current Lib Dem MP in the seat of Gordon. I didn’t realise independence was rejected 2:1 in AS’s own Scottish Parliament constituency.

bbc link

THM can I ask why it upsets you so much that a large proportion of the Scottish people want independence for their country? You seem to be taking it very personally. Are there any other political views that you deem worthy of SingTFU? Perhaps if you just tell us what we are and aren’t allowed to think, campaign and vote for things would be a lot easier.

That first question is genuine by the way, I’d love a straight answer rather than some childish rant about Alex Salmond, but I’ll not hold my breath.

Love it how the ‘no brigade’ think Scotland would have sunk without trace if a majority yes had went through.

Why the ‘silence’ over how well the sunken island of Iceland is doing?

unknown – Member
THM can I ask why it upsets you so much that a large proportion of the Scottish people want independence for their country? You seem to be taking it very personally. Are there any other political views that you deem worthy of SingTFU? Perhaps if you just tell us what we are and aren’t allowed to think, campaign and vote for things would be a lot easier.

That first question is genuine by the way, I’d love a straight answer rather than some childish rant about Alex Salmond, but I’ll not hold my breath.

This question should apply to more than just THM ON HERE. I certainly won’t he holding my breath either.

Unknown, as I made clear before, I am pro devolved power and generally anti-Centralised and large government. I am also a Scotophile.

What I am against is BS and in particular the economic and political BS spouted by AS and his cronies over many years (I was exposed to it throughout my education in Scotland and since). There is nothing childish in exposing his constant deceit and lies – the childish bit is swallowing it without question. But that is yS’s look-out and we see the same thing with UKIP. Sad reflection of modern politics. Lies/spin over facts. The DO took this to a unique level and lost as a result. Karma!

If yS had made an even half decent attempt at addressing the key foundations of independence I could have been persuaded but I genuinely believe that all parties are better served by being part of a Union. Fortunately, the majority of Scots agreed with me. Canny folk!

gordimhor – Member
Thm still true to form I see.

Indeed unlike the DO good to be consistent rather than flapping in the prevailing wind.

What is clear is that more people voted no than yes.

Indeed.

Did those no voters vote for what was offered in the vow according to the Daily Record? Did they vote for The Smith Commission proposals? Did they vote for whatever version of devolution might eventually make its way onto the statute book?

No the question was very simple and clear as was the commitment to respect the result, well on one side at least. 😉

bencooper – Member

I’m not a big fan of some SNP policies – they’re too close to big business – but to claim they’re like the Tories is ridiculous. They’re far more left wing than Labour at the moment. And this is the problem – all Labour in Scotland have to offer is “we’re not Tories” while at the same time Labour south of the border are cosying up to white van man.

who is white van man? are their any white vans driven by men in Scotland? and what is so wrong with cosying up to him?

Not even the Tories were right wing enough to propose a banking system without a lender of last resort!! Moral hazard anyone….the SNP getting into bed with the Adam Smith Institute. Would you Adam and Eve it?

Still poor old Alex was rather confused on anything to do with money, banking and economics – or was that just an act to deceive?

Still no answer – why on earth do you think those people who want an independent Scotland shouldn’t campaign for it, shouldn’t support the parties that represent their views?

Have you ever thought of going into politics yourself, given that you know better then us what’s best for us? I’m sure you’re a paragon of virtue and your honesty would brig the voters out in their droves. Hell, why not stand against Salmond, then you can really expose his “lies”?

Still poor old Alex was rather confused on anything to do with money, banking and economics – or was that just an act to deceive?

FFS it wasn’t about voting SNP.
It was about the chance of getting independence.
Only then would Scotland be a democratic country. And as for the banks don’t get me started.

Do yourself a favour and watch ‘the money masters’

You are an ‘I’M ALRIGHT JACK’ and I claim my £5

It was about independence indeed. And the vote was to reject it.

Keep campaigning for sure but STFU about the result. The argument was poor, very poor and was rightly rejected. Why shouldn’t you guys respect that? Focus your ire on those who represented you (and everyone) so incredibly badly.

Still no answer!!! Just non stop whining…..

How about working out what you are going to do with the new income tax powers? The tartan tax remained unused, perhaps you can do something with this one?

Who’s going on about the result? I’m a member of the SNP (which is not something I have in common with all 1600000 yes voters by the way) and all I see is looking forward. There’s a lot of talk about how to continue the fight, but precious little “whining” about the result. Maybe in the immediate aftermath as people were hurting but nothing for weeks now.

If you’re honest, are you just lashing out because the vote was closer than you expected and you’re a little uncomfortable about how close you got to feeling rejected? I’m guessing you have a strong affinity with the union, maybe you’re old enough to remember the tail end of the empire, so it’s understandable that you’d feel threatened that so many people don’t feel the same way. Maybe try some of that introspection yourself eh?

Ouch touchy!!!

unknown – Member
If you’re honest, are you just lashing out because the vote was closer than you expected and you’re a little uncomfortable about how close you got to feeling rejected?

Not lashing out. Just exposing the yS and AS’s BS on a consistent basis, Result was pretty much as I predicted all along, thanks.

I’m guessing you have a strong affinity with the union

See posts above, it’s very clear!

maybe you’re old enough to remember the tail end of the empire

A new career in comedy awaits?

So we have had

1. shock and denial
2. Pain (not sure about the guilt)
3. Anger and bargaining – now

And to come

4. Depression and reflection?
5. The upward turn?
6. Reconstruction?
7. Acceptance

Look on the bright side, we get AS and you get more devolved powers. There is only one winner there!!! Now do something with the powers and cease the whining, for everyone’s sake!

Again, what whining is this exactly? I think you’d come out of this better if you were honest about why the result has upset you so much. As it is you just seem quite pompous about people having differing views from you, the irony being that this is exactly the attitude towards Scotland that moved so many people to vote yes in the first place.

If you’re trying to appeal to Scottish voters, maybe have a look at Alex Salmond’s approval rating post referendum (and 7 years of government) before you focus your attacks on him. Not everyone loves him but your blind hatred makes you seem even more out of touch.

The result hasn’t upset me at all. Quite the contrary. My faith in Scotland and it’s people confirmed as expected all along.

Nigel Farage is increasing popular – does that mean we should swallow his BS too???

It seems Salmond is hoping to get into a coalition with Labour in order to win more independence concessions. Can’t see that myself as it’s not in Labours interest, they’d rather form a minority government. The Lib Dems in Gordon have been quite forthright in their condemnation of him.

Those of us who hold a low opinion of Salmond have made clear repeatedly on these threads why, he’s a throughly devious and dishonest individual. By some margin the lowest quality individual in British politics.

Yes, you seem like someone who isn’t upset at all 😀

If farage still had higher approval ratings than any other party leader after 7 years of government and a referendum campaign then I think you might have to consider the fact that you’re wrong about him. But he doesn’t does he, so the comparison isn’t really valid at all.

No I find it very amusing albeit it in a dark kind of way. Why be upset? Scotland is in a better place now as is the rest of the union. Very good result. And by election aside, AS is not filling our TV screens. Even better.

Remind me of the result? Who exactly is trying to say that others are wrong?!?