Sir! Keir! Starmer!

Peter Lynch was the victim of a vengeful, out-of-touch Prime Minister

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/23/peter-lynch-was-victim-of-vengeful-prime-minister/

So according to this Daily Telegraph article Keir Starmer is responsible for the mess a racist conspiracy theorist found himself in.

It is interesting the piece claims that the Prime Minister is “out-of-touch” when there is clear evidence that the overwhelming majority of the public support the harsh sentences meted out by the courts to far-right racist rioters. Which suggests that it is Daily Telegraph gutter-rakers who are actually out-of-touch.

^^Yep and they are all “law and order” over cyclists or protesters against fossil fuel extraction.

If a Tory government had locked the rioters up, they would have been totally fine with it.

The fact that Richard Tice, an MP, was claiming Lynch was a political prisoner is downright dangerous. Sod freedom of speech, such bollocks needs consequences.

MoreCashThanDash
Full Member
The fact that Richard Tice, an MP, was claiming Lynch was a political prisoner is downright dangerous. Sod freedom of speech, such bollocks needs consequences.

I didn’t know he’d said that but it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.

Farage was on the news easier (sigh) hammering the labour members that are “interfering” in the US elections… He was asked about him going over there on a private jet etc. to support Trump but that’s different and obviously ok according to him…

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlnrjd3087o

I totally agree with Keir Starmer with regards to compensation although I believe there should be reparations in the form of education.

“The fact that Richard Tice, an MP, was claiming Lynch was a political prisoner is downright dangerous”

I agree.

“Sod freedom of speech”

I disagree.

He was asked about him going over there on a private jet etc. to support Trump but that’s different and obviously ok according to him…

From what I have read he is right. The labour lot are volunteers trying to get people voting whereas he is getting paid and trying to boost his profile.

Completely different.

From what I have read he is right. The labour lot are volunteers trying to get people voting whereas he is getting paid and trying to boost his profile.

Completely different.

Ha! You do have a point. <Thumbs up>

whereas he is getting paid and trying to boost his profile.

Who’s paying him?

Steve Bannon’s shady lot are funding Farages trips. God knows why, unless it’s to further the cause of look, these horrendous brits are coming over here and meddling in our politics…

So yet against the economy is grinding along the floor (0.1% for Q3) and the pound (especially for Argee) has retreated to pre-election support levels. (Not that I care as it’s not a particularly useful real economic metric but Libs do love the £/$ as evidence of the UK’s success and stability.)

Larger point is that the budget is looking likely to unfold very badly.

The NI adjustment is a massive political and economic disaster and will add to the decline of the economy for sure. I’ve no idea why Labour got themselves in a ‘working people’ mess either.

All this because they dare not tax the real wealth.

Country needed a massive cash injection across the board – the NHS funding was welcome but nowhere near enough.

Inflation has come right back down and the BoE appear to be slowing on cuts. Why? Makes zero sense.

Meanwhile risk-on assets are booming and people with money are absolutely rinsing it.

There has never been a better time to show how the economy is working for small amounts of people. Markets and institutions holding all the cards, and democratic decisions failing because of some cowardly government not really understanding how to support the economy with its own Bank.

Labour really don’t have any answers, and Reeves has put people in real danger by not making good financial support as we head into winter.

They really are the gift that keeps on giving for the far-right. Debates about black-holes have backfired and lost credibility.  This was an economic home goal. (I’m also old enough to remember that Libs said Labour would look at the two child benefit cap in the budget too. Aged well.)

Lots have forgotten about the Tory mess and are now squarely thinking Labour are worse, because as said a million times if you don’t sort the basic needs of people they will go where we don’t want to go.

We’ve gotten used to the narrative that to tax is to deprive. (Witness the whining of the right over farm IHT).  Rather than it’s true function of redistribution through limiting wealth, power and resources for a few over the many.

Reeves in the Guardian.

Speaking at the glitzy annual gathering in the Square Mile on Thursday, the chancellor called the financial services sector the “crown jewel” of the UK economy. 

“These changes have resulted in a system which sought to eliminate risk-taking. That has gone too far and, in places, it has had unintended consequences, which we must now address.”

Totally pathetic and doesn’t reflect the truth of the economy, but does reflect her belief that these parasites create wealth for all of us.

Madness.

She really needs to go.

The Prime Minister today makes a hard, non-negotiable pledge to the readers of The Mail on Sunday. He says that he will fix the mess that is our welfare and employment system, and confront the costly monster of welfare fraud, if necessary with the full might of the law – a weapon he knows very well how to wield.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36pdz2gegjo

Perhaps someone should remind Keir Starmer that he has won the general election, now has a massive majority, and no longer needs to suck up to Daily Mail readers.

Instead of helping the Daily Mail to demonise benefit claimants perhaps the leader of the Labour Party could try his hand at tackling more urgent problems:

You’re 23 times more likely to be prosecuted for benefit fraud than tax fraud in the UK
Yet tax crimes cost the economy nine times more.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2021/02/new-you-re-23-times-more-likely-be-prosecuted-benefit-fraud-tax-fraud-uk

^^^^

This.

Unfortunately it is the ultimate legacy of the Brexit vote. Politicians of all stripes feel the need to pander to intolerance to some degree. Obviously some absolutely revel in it, but even Labour still feel the need.

Unfortunately it is the ultimate legacy of the Brexit vote.

Really ……… you don’t think that the Daily Mail was banging on about benefit claimants, whilst ignoring tax cheats, 20, 30, or 40 years ago?

I see it as the ultimate legacy of New Labour/ Tony Blair

Given his majority, Starmer should risk calling out the Mails bullshit, and make efforts to clamp down on the tax gap rather than dodgy claimants.

It would probably appeal to a greater number of voters as well.

I was astonished to see the other day that the government are going to tinker with the rules for buying council houses.  I just assumed they would stop this completely.  Its been a disastrous policy

But I fort it woz the immigrunts that woz the problem.

Go on, you know you want to sign it.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

Btw since a reference was made to Brexit, with regards to Keir Starmer’s comment piece in the Mail on Sunday, I have just remembered that the Mail on Sunday passionately backed Remain:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3648681/THE-MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Vote-Remain-safer-freer-prosperous-yes-GREATER-Britain.html

I was astonished to see the other day that the government are going to tinker with the rules for buying council houses.

But they have time an energy to relax the restrictions on the city of London which were brought in after 2008. It would appear those of us who said Starmer would be a terrible PM and Reeves a disastrous chancellor have been completely vindicated. Looks like we’ll have to prepare ourselves for a Badenock-Farage double act in 2029.

Go on, you know you want to sign it.

All those years being told we couldn’t have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it’s totally fine to demand another election.

Makes you wonder if there’s something wrong with our education system.

All those years being told we couldn’t have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it’s totally fine to demand another election.

Er, the reason there wasn’t a second referendum was because not enough people voted Labour, there is no other reason – Labour were committed to a second referendum in 2019, which probably contributed significantly to their defeat.

But I fort it woz the immigrunts that woz the problem.

Remember that they are all on benefits alongside taking all our jobs. Its Schrodinger’s immigrant.

Perhaps someone should remind Keir Starmer that he has won the general election, now has a massive majority, and no longer needs to suck up to Daily Mail readers.

He has cleary realised that he no longer needs to placate pro-Palestinian voters, so perhaps his pledges to the Mail readers are through choice, not political expediency?

Currently 917,304 signatures meaning more than a few folk unhappy.

I’ve not seen the Mail/benefits stuff, but there’s been plenty of closing of tax loopholes and additional funding for chasing tax evaders already. More to come I suspect.

It would appear those of us who said Starmer would be a terrible PM and Reeves a disastrous chancellor have been completely vindicated. Looks like we’ll have to prepare ourselves for a Badenock-Farage double act in 2029.

Why they’ve wasted this opportunity to go for the most muddled,  divisive and illiterate ‘plan’ – I haven’t got a clue.

(Weren’t they going to turn left when in power?)

Starmer with his recent comment about private equity is just the icing on the cake. And Liz Kendall is just off her rocker.

Who’d have thought taking literal maligned Tory tidbits would be a way forward?

It feels exactly the same as just before the election.

Zero hope and ideas, randomly served up. None of this is a surprise really. I was a bit conned by the resident hopeful Centrists and their wait-for-the-budget comments. Sigh.

All those years being told we couldn’t have a second referendum on Brexit because reasons and now all these people saying it’s totally fine to demand another election.

How do you know it’s the same people?

Makes you wonder if there’s something wrong with our education system.

Liberal snobbery as always doing more harm than good.

I mean, yeah, fix material conditions but our man Starmer and Reeves prefers the likes of Blackrock for your future son.

Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!

cinnamon_girlFull Member
Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!

Whatever the final number , some of which will be from people signing multiple times ( very simple to do as there are no identity checks) I honestly think that the majority who sign the petition have unrealistic expectations that it will make a jot of difference because they have been led into doing so by social media posts which are not honest. There will now be a debate in parliament but as the likelihood of any change is minuscule as the government has to say in response is that they have a mandate to govern from the recent election and will continue to do so. What is your expectation cinnamon girl?

Over 1 Million signatures, brilliant!

Ok?

So this tell us what exactly?

I dont think it is news that Starmer failed to carry every vote in the Uk.  After all if he had then it would have been headline news since no other PM has ever come close.

I think all that can be said is a bunch of right wingers want a second chance which is a tad ironic given their attitude when they narrowly win.

@jimw It’s sending a strong message especially as Labour received a low number of votes at the election as well as a low turn-out.  The public are thoroughly disenchanted with these grifting politicians and I certainly don’t remember any politicians having as many monikers as this empty vessel of a politician.  No, it won’t make a jot of difference, as you say, but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums.  He is not serving the British public.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/how-elections-work/types-elections/recall-petitions

Is Starmer controlled by Davos?

but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums.

I’m no fan of Starmer but this is plainly silly. Could I politely suggest you step away from the internet for a while, it’s clearly not doing you any good.

Ordinary people have had enough, that’s why so many signed.

Government by Facebook Karens.

Given the **** up ‘we’ made of direct democracy, I don’t think it is a very good idea.

Ordinary people have had enough, that’s why so many signed.

You think the tories and reform are interested in ‘ordinary’ people? If you think Starmer is in the hands of cronies from Davos, wait til you see who Farage and the tories hang around with. If not Labour, who do you think is going to stand up for ‘ordinary’ people?

And what have they had enough of BTW? Inheritance tax on farms? Companies paying a bit more tax? Well-off pensioners not getting a handout to pay for their energy bills? Or are they more interested in the NHS, minimum wage and other things labour have done? They could have done a lot more yes, but getting rid of Labour is not the answer to the problem you have identified.

No, it won’t make a jot of difference, as you say, but I believe this politician to be very dangerous and only too willing to sell the UK down the river as per orders from his Davos chums

As opposed to the previous incumbents?

Fraud and error cost the taxpayer billions of pounds each year – but most of the potential loss goes undetected. Based on the Public Sector Fraud Authority’s (PSFA) methodology, we estimate that fraud and error cost the taxpayer £55 billion to £81 billion in 2023-24. Only a fraction of this is detected and known about – enabling investigation and recovery

Sauce:

https://www.nao.org.uk/overviews/the-impact-of-fraud-and-error-on-public-funds-2023-24/

The right wing are doing a bang up job of convincing some sections of society that black is white.

Christ. I agree with daz. Must be the second time this year. I feel feint.