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Should Theresa May resign?
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gobuchulFree Member
i thought we were all about rapprochement of late.
Just keeping you on your toes.
Turns to him the other cheek
😀
martinhutchFull MemberSounded a bit foreign so I didn’t bother. Bloody Europhiles.
kimbersFull MemberI think Murdoch wants may gone sooner rather than later, he doesn’t tolerate failure in his pet politicians
kimbersFull MemberSo Borris apparently trying to get her out too, he’s having a lot of ‘conversations’
My bet is tomorrow’s papers will be all about Johnson, priming the nation for his ascension, I mean he can’t balls it up as badly as Cameron or May…..
JunkyardFree MemberI want to place a bet on Boris as leader and Boris not doing Brexit…The double whammy. Not sure Boris helps the Tories in the long run but the dearth of talent * is such that he seems to be all they have.
He is a Trump type character and so open to opportunistic politician posh boy attacks that he is the perfect opponent for Corbyn who clearly has principles and not privileges
* The national unity thread made me think there are very few competent politicians in the house these day
Very few big characters be it Healey or Heseltine – there are hardly any big hitters there – not a party political point.big_n_daftFree MemberMy bet is tomorrow’s papers will be all about Johnson, priming the nation for his ascension, I mean he can’t balls it up as badly as Cameron or May…..
If he does he won’t be the next leader, the conservatives don’t reward a Brutus
big_n_daftFree Member* The national unity thread made me think there are very few competent politicians in the house these day
Very few big characters be it Healey or Heseltine – there are hardly any big hitters there – not a party political point.I think both parties are going to have to skip a generation, the current “leaders in waiting” on both sides are poor or tainted. Needs to be someone who has had a real job not a policy wonk, advisor, or aide, and who has a proper hinterland and can engage with people
wilburtFree MemberNeeds to be someone who has had a real job
What like a banker a lawyer or a plumber?
KlunkFree Membersooner is the blunder the tories (well cameron) made after they(he) lost the eu vote. From a tory pov it should be the eton boys taking the flak and doing the deal or dropping the idea altogether then you parachute in the new leader who has none of the “whiff”. Doing it this way they could well have 4 leaders in 3 years 😆
TwodogsFull MemberBeeb is reporting that Maybot has been told to sack her two closest advisors (Nick Timothy, Fiona Hill) or face a leadership challenge
TwodogsFull MemberA Cabinet source said that the Prime Minister must clear out the “cabal at the top” which allowed “a terrorist sympathiser to get within an inch of Downing Street”.
Oh the irony!
greentrickyFree MemberBeeb is reporting that Maybot has been told to sack her two closest advisors (Nick Timothy, Fiona Hill) or face a leadership challenge
Nick Timothy just resigned
Edit – Hill has gone as well apparently
mrmoFree MemberSo when is May calling it a day, as for NT resignation statement, working to unite the country….
Yes that is why she has got into bed with a bunch of terrorist sympathisers!
slowsterFree MemberWhat is surprising is the increasingly apparent extent of how bad May’s poltical judgement has been and continues to be. Normally politicians don’t have careers as long as hers, and especially get to become PM, without very good antennae. It now looks as if she was only able to become PM because of a very specific set of circumstances where it almost fell into her lap, and she largely needed to do nothing as one by one Cameron, Gove, Johnson and Leadsom etc. took themselves out of the picture by their own mistakes. She did not have to actively campaign for the party leadership in a typical full on leadership contest while in opposition and then fight a general election to become PM.
It looks to me like her very quick announcement of a deal with the DUP was born out of similar bad judgement and panic to fill a vacuum. When Gordon Brown lost the 2010 election, he waited it out in Downing Street in silence until the Conservatives and Lib Dems had agreed a deal. Obviously the situation now is different because the Conservatives are still the largest party and so are expected to form a government, but the mark of a good politician/statesman in May’s shoes in that situation would be to consult widely and take as much time as they possibly can to consider their options and the likely consequences.
Instead, May seems to have been panicked into agreeing a deal very quickly with the DUP and announcing it very quickly. Possibly she did this out of a sense of responsibility as PM/leader to act and stop the uncertainty causing damage to financial markets and the Pound etc., and possibly she felt she needed to make an announcement to stop the speculation about Labour forming a government with the other parties (the suggestions from Labour that they could form a government look like good political skills: they know they could not form a stable government, but it may have rattled May and been an added prompt to act unnecessarily quickly to stop the speculation).
The deal with the DUP itself, and the manner/hurry of its making, looks like it may be almost as big an error as calling the election. It seems she has announced the deal without actually having agreed the key terms of the deal with the DUP (in complete contrast to the negotiations between the Conservatives and the Lib Dems after the 2010 election, when the deal was only announced after the terms had been hammered out in fine detail). The DUP will want its pound of flesh, and I suspect that many Conservative MPs and the UK electorate will find the sweeteners to the DUP to be at best repugnant (extra money for Northern Ireland – say £400M, which would nicely cover the budget shortfall due to the RHI scandal) and at worst unacceptable (damage to the Good Friday agreement and harming the UK Government’s role as honest broker in NI, or any influence whatsoever over government policies affecting the rest of the UK).
I suspect that May’s premiership is now moving into just managing crises from day to day. Her current overriding priority is to pass the Queen’s Speech. I can’t help thinking that her deal with the DUP to achieve that, will add to the problems that she will rapidly face thereafter, but possibly she is planning to fall on her sword very soon, and so only cares about getting the Queen’s Speech through.
If they cannot pass the Queen’s Speech, then the Conservatives and the country will be in a really big mess, and I imagine there would have to be another GE within possibly as little as a couple of months. That is the last thing the Conservatives want, since Corbyn and Labour would probably do even better, and possibly even win, and the Conservatives need time to organise a change of leadership and a honeymoon period for the new leader in the opinion polls when they would be most likely to call an election. For that reason I suspect the Conservatives may well try and avoid a leadership contest, in order to be able to appoint a new leader unopposed as quickly as possible. A lengthy drawn out leadership contest would be risky, since the longer it takes, the more likelihood that things will be unravelling in Parliament and Brexit negotiations etc. while the contest is underway, and that will make the Conservatives look very bad (fiddling having a leadership contest while Rome is burning).
barkmFree Memberthis ‘deal’ with the DUP was probably a quick phone call “…would you?” and obviously the DUP bit her hand off, they’re only now discussing it. She has naively (because as we know she has virtually no political savvy beyond power at all cost), made a ‘lets get to work’ speech as if it’s all business as usual and marched into Number 10 to apparent ‘raptuous applause’ like some great savior.
She’s delusional, with breath taking arrogance and hubris she is willfully ignoring everyone on this ridiculous idea that she alone can take this country through one of its most challenging economic and political times.The tories and May have attempted to exploit brexit and fear and mistakenly taken it as a mandate to lurch to the right and secure themselves decades of power, destroying the opposition in the process with a snap election.
Half the people may have decided, but you cannot ignore the other half. We must now all work together to make it the best possible outcome for the country, despite her saying otherwise she has failed to foster that. We need visionary strong leadership to build a bipartisan consensus that sends our absolute best team into the negotiations.
wilburtFree MemberGood analysis apart from the being surprised at their incompetence part.
zippykonaFull MemberTo summarise . She is **** crap and having half the country hate you is in no way a success.
**** off you evil , hateful bitch.
I hope she is sitting on the toilet bawling her **** eyes out.mattyfezFull MemberLooks like the knives are out for may within the tory party..
Like a pack of hyenas they prey on the weak and vulnerable, even their own.
km79Free MemberAll the MPs should line up in parliament stripped of party status. Two should be picked at random and made to pick teams one at a time like a playground football game. Once we have enough for a cabinet and a shadow cabinet the team picking can stop. Everyone not picked can sit on any benches they want and have a free vote issue by issue. This can continue till the end of the parliament and until brexit has completed.
As daft as it might sound, it’s not as daft as the current situation.
mickmcdFree MemberHow many Tory voters would have not voted Tory if they had known a deal with the DUP was how Maybot was going to have a last gasp crack at staying in no10….i wonder?
kimbersFull MemberWell she’s thrown her advisors under the bus, will buy her some time, must be feeling isolated now.
Wonder how much power she has left, whether she’s just obeying the BSDs in the Tory partyoldnpastitFull Memberwhether she’s just obeying the BSDs in the Tory party
BSD?
Berkeley Software Distribution?
I love the idea, but it seems a bit unlikely. She strikes me more as a Windows 98 kind of person.
inksterFree MemberMay was accused of taking the electorate for granted, I think she’s now taking a lot of traditional conservative voters for granted. As desperate as they might be to block Corbyn and/or push for brexit, they are not as desperate as May.
She may have crossed a line here, the hypocrisy is stunning and I don’t think even the DM etc can spin this one to their readers, older voters know what the DUP represent and their links to terror, for younger voters there’s google.
NorthwindFull Membermickmcd – Member
How many Tory voters would have not voted Tory if they had known a deal with the DUP was how Maybot was going to have a last gasp crack at staying in no10….i wonder?
A hell of a lot of the scottish switchers, that’s for sure. A lot of them wouldn’t have voted tory if they’d known it’s mean she could make a government, let alone this government.
CougarFull MemberWe are now a joke, May launched into her GE, much to the annoyance of the EU, at the worst possible time, she looks weak and the mandate for her Brexit has evaporated,
So whens the next election?
What was it the Leavers kept saying about not continually having referendums until you get the result you want? (-:
Since the referendum, it’s been stalling tactic after stalling tactic. The first thing she did after the referendum was launch into a pointless court battle trying to overturn something that was clearly enshrined in law, that parliament has to set legislation and not the government alone. Quite what the point of this was I don’t know, when after it was all over the opposition went “yeah, ok then” anyway. (Also, I’d love to know how much all that cost, anyone know?)
Then they triggered A50 with a plan written on the back of an envelope like the kid who’s forgotten his homework and knocked something out during playtime that morning, went to the EU with a list of demands that the EU, quite rightly, laughed in her face at. And then, what, nothing? Until just now where she decides, “let’s have an election!” Tick tock, tick tock.
And so now we have a hung parliament. Something that surely they must’ve seen coming at least as a possible outcome, if not likely? Yet more faff, trying to find a couple of mates to make up numbers on their football team when no-one else really wants to play apart from that kid who keeps picking his nose and smells of wee. You know, the one who’s likely to intentionally kick the ball into the neighbour’s garden for a laugh.
Now they’re staring down the barrel of a potential leadership challenge; maybe another general election; after that who knows, it’s probably time for another referendum.
At this rate the clock’s going to have run out on A50 before we’ve even started negotiations, let alone concluded them. And there’s a part of me that wonders whether this heel-dragging is deliberate, and if so what the end goal is – to crash out of the EU with nothing, or to wake up the country to the folly of this nonsense and reject it? I hope it’s the latter but I really rather think it’s the former.
kimbersFull MemberMy mum grew up in Glasgow, she has some stories to tell of the sectarianism of the 60s, they were on the Protestant side but I can still remember the family, including my bigoted grandfather laughing at Robbie Coltrane.
I think plenty of people in Scotland know what the DUP are about, can’t see anyone wanting to be associated with that.
No wonder Davidson has moved so quickly to distance herself
piemonsterFree MemberNo wonder Davidson has moved so quickly to distance herself
Her tweet response to the Telegraph article I linked to earlier today is really rather eloquent! 😉
B****cks. Folk might remember I fought a leadership election on the other side of that particular argument…. https://t.co/IQev2xSnUp
— Ruth Davidson (@RuthDavidsonMSP) June 9, 2017
CougarFull MemberThis made me laugh. From an Independent article saying her own MPs want her gone:
Asked if there were phone calls being made between Tories about the next leader, Mr Vaizey told the BBC: “That’s so 20th century. It’s all on WhatsApp. Lots of MPs are in lots of different groups.”
So *that’s* why she wants to do away with end-to-end encryption…!
cornholio98Free MemberOddly the company I work for recently designated whatsapp as non secure and should not have any information sent that was not public knowledge.
Not sure if it is encryption, server security or how they store their information but I would hope after all the phone hacking scandals our MPs might be more careful with their communications. Though I doubt they are…
CougarFull MemberIs it “not secure” or is it “we can’t guarantee that it is secure”? Subtle but large difference.
chakapingFull MemberWell she should have resigned and 100% would have under normal circumstances – but the Tories have really painted themselves into a corner now.
Can’t imagine she’ll be enjoying her final few months in the top job.
🙂
mikey74Free MemberAsked if there were phone calls being made between Tories about the next leader, Mr Vaizey told the BBC: “That’s so 20th century. It’s all on WhatsApp. Lots of MPs are in lots of different groups.”
Baronness Warsi mentioned the WhatsApp groups on the Last Leg last night.
crashtestmonkeyFree MemberAs I understand it the DUP and SF both took seats from more centrist parties, but SF don’t sit in Westminster as they are ideologically opposed to it, so there are literally empty seats in Westminster.
So what’s stopping SF saying ‘f— that’ and turning up at Westminster, thus cancelling out the influence of the DUP?
cornholio98Free MemberIs it “not secure” or is it “we can’t guarantee that it is secure”? Subtle but large difference.
I think as far as the IT security guys are concerned if we can’t guarantee security then the app is defined as not secure until proven otherwise.. The penalty for failure is too high.
jam-boFull MemberSo what’s stopping SF saying ‘f— that’ and turning up at Westminster, thus cancelling out the influence of the DUP?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_Kingdom)
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