Should Theresa May resign?

He still lost.

and a pyrrhic victory for the Maybot.

He still lost.

yes but his loss was so much better than Mays loss. Its the weirdest election ever when the losers are happier than the “winners”.
Where did that 150 majority go and you cannot claim win when you swap majority for minority, hard brexit for soft, String and stable for no one else wants the job its yours etc. You cannot really be happy as tory with what just happened. yes it could have been worse but it was some way from a good night and what you expected. Even may called it a loss – well before it actually happened – do you want the quote again?

Its not hung though is it

this is pretty basic stuff jamby and one where one needs to put in effort to get it wrong. Are you deliberately trying to look stupid by getting something so basic wrong?

When a general election results in no single political party winning an overall majority in the House of Commons, this is known as a situation of no overall control, or a ‘hung Parliament’.

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/hung-parliament/

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Mr Woppit – Member
Andrew Mitchell

Ahem. Look who’s just popped his head above the parapet… 😉

Edit. Double Post.

You’d think Andrew Mitchell would have learnt his lesson about keeping his mouth shut when he’s had a few. As a big Cameron supporter his days of influence in the party are over.

Inside information, is it?

Or perhaps, your well known ability to interpret the ebb and flow of current nuance.

Isn’t there something about reaping whirlwinds…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-abuse-investigation-conservative-mps-genuine-fear-abuse-general-election-a7831496.html

Theresa May is just perfect IMO: She spouts lots of hardnosed tory policies but when it comes to the crunch she will always volte-face if she thinks public opinion is against her. This, combined with the (for me) perfect GE result which has rendered her completely toothless in the Brexit negotiations, hopefully leading to the whole sorry charade being consigned to history’s great garbage bin. Gove or Fox are much more idealistic and less slippery pole climbers IMO, so worse for a prompt Brexit collapse. Corbyn would not have been desirable in this respect either.

@chickenman election result makes wto / “no deal” Brexit more likely not less. IMO of course.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-40551928
Given the collection of headlines your going to be waking up to her days are looking numbered. With enough rebellion from her own ranks the opposition parties must see this as a great chance to test her.

Theresa May’s speech on Tuesday reaching out to opposition parties makes the lead for several of the papers – with headlines such as “May’s cry for help to Corbyn” in the Daily Telegraph, “Weakened May pleads for support from rivals” in the Times and “May appeals to Labour for policy ideas” in the Guardian.
The i says the prime minister’s message would have been unthinkable before her election gamble backfired.
The Times says it is an admission of her political weakness.
For the Guardian, the speech will be seen as an attempt to relaunch her faltering premiership.
The Telegraph says Mrs May’s appeal comes at a time when her leadership is at its weakest, with calls by Tory MPs for her to stand down after her failure to secure a majority.
The Financial Times describes it as an attempt to shore up her premiership against mutinous MPs as she prepares to publish the most significant piece of Brexit legislation – the Repeal Bill – on Thursday.
Manoeuvring among ambitious backbenchers and pro-EU MPs is intensifying ahead of the bill, it adds.

The EU, a sure fire way to poison the Tory party.

Did i really hear that she’d be saying in this relaunch “for the many, not the privileged few” ?

As an aside, there’s a mock-momentum movement by supporters of Rhys-Mogg and yet another rebrand of a very tired looking party, which is completely out of policy ideas to the point that they have to borrow from Labour. Remember, they’ve been in government for even years, five of which in coalition. Collectively they look incompetent, tired and ideologically bankrupt.

I can’t see what the likes of Davis, Johnson etc can do to change the party’s fortunes. With Brexit the Conservatives look like a one policy party, with more MPs opposed than in favour. If we do indeed crash out of the EU with no deal and people do become much poorer, then the electoral backlash will be brutal and completely deserved.

Does anyone actually care what she says any more? Its not like she can actually DO anything, is it? She’s completely powerless, as todays “oh god… please let me do something?! ANYTHING?!!! appeal to the opposition parties demonstrates.

I’m finding her ongoing humiliation fairly compelling. Not to mention highly entertaining. Its a proper slow motion car crash. A thoroughly deserved one. She wants to be gone, clearly. The party want her gone. The country seems mostly indifferent. Yet once again the interests of the various nutter factions in the Tory party take precedence over everything.

For now.

It won’t last, of course. Even though they know its mental to do so, the ego’s of Boris, DD, Gove and whoever else won’t let them spend the summer not preparing a leadership bid. Soon as they’ve had a week off, they’ll be canvassing support and briefing against each other.

Oh well… in the meantime I’m sure I’m not the only one enjoying the sight of a ‘government’ in a state of total paralysis. And I’m sure it’ll continue. I mean…. can anyone honestly see a general election, no matter who is leading the Tory party, delivering anything other than another hung parliament?

So I’m also hoping that this state of stasis also means that the whole Brexit process is also placed in cold storage indefinitely, or even better, collapses completely

Total desperation! 😀

@binners

Indeed. The problem with leadership challenges is that internal party disputes can get very nasty in public, further toxifying the Conservative brand. The party’s slim majority won’t help them one bit, the in-fighting will continue even with a Boris, Davis, Gove or whoever in charge.

There should have been a change of leader immediately after the election, but the decision makers within the party know that with Brexit negotiations underway and the need to push the required legislation through parliament, a leadership change would be one distraction too many. They’re suddenly weakened and vulnerable in the media for the first time in living memory too, not even the Murdoch papers, the Telegraph or the two far right tabloids could summon enough votes to scupper a hung parliament.

The current crop of party heavyweights promise more of the same, or a lurch further right that simply won’t win them votes. The only logical way out for them is to parachute someone with centrist appeal like Ruth Davidson into a safe seat and for her to mount a successful leadership bid.

the torygraph really have turned on her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/10/tory-mps-fury-theresa-mays-plans-labour-alliance-brexit-unravels/

Even CMD had the humility to know he’d made a huge cock up and had to go.

There’s not a great deal that the newspapers can do, if May goes before the end of summer there’s likely to be another General Election which Labour will likely win.

Remember, the wealthy owners and editors of the right wing press have pushed hard for Brexit, which is looking increasingly like it’ll be unworkable. If I were Corbyn, I think I’d remind Theresa May that it was an internal dispute in her own party which got us all into this mess in the first place.

I think she’d have gone in a heartbeat, if they’d let her. Did you see the look on here face when the results were announced? And she’s looked more like a haunted shop dummy with every day thats passed since.

The Tory high command are operating a ‘you broke it, you own it’ policy. They know theres no way the country will stomach another leadership election, and certainly not another general election, without properly punishing this rank incompetence. So they’re all just stuck in this excruciating (or absolutely ****ing hilarious, depending on your persuasion) powerless limbo, because every single other alternative is potentially far worse.

The longer this debacle goes on though, the less likely it is that a hard Brexit, or indeed any Brexit at all will be able to proceed. No matter what the fevered, fetid little imaginations of Liam Fox and John Redwood would like to believe.

The usual accurate summary from the Mash

The usual accurate summary from the Mash

And the longer version:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/10/making-maybot-theresa-may-rise-and-fall

I’m loving every day of her staying on, like a paralysed insect caught in a web, utterly helpless. Of course once she goes and Corbyn wins, then he’ll do the same to himself and the labour party.

**** in the woodpile FFS!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555639

ctk – Member

**** in the woodpile FFS!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555639 How the heck does someone go through that many years of life without realising that you can’t go around saying the n-word!

May will just be happy the focus shifts to someone else, even if it is her party, and hope it stays in the news cycle for a few days. Unlikely though she can manage a few days without another act of grotesque incompetence.

You were saying…?

Looks like this is making a reappearance again on the news. Seems the party propping her up was essentially acting as a front for huge, anonymous and very dodgy donations to fund the Brexit campaign

Our two main parties are bloody hopeless – both of them. They never learn and always self destruct over the same issues.

Osborne once more spurting vitriole across the Standard. His bitternes would make Angostura blush

Good job we haven’t got a country to run

How the hell did May get herself in the pickle. A lukewarm remainer sacrificed at the altar of Brexshit Bullshit. Amazing….

As crap as she is, what follows will be even worse. Shambles….

She got herself in this pickle precisely because she’s bloody useless. Have you read the John Crace analysis Hurty?

She’s a shockingly awful politician, with terrible instincts. But I agree with you on one thing. What follows will inevitably be worse. And I suspect that’s going to be sooner rather than later

So what happens with the “****” women. If she’s booted out of the tory party is there a bi election?

I have never been a fan, although did think that she was doing better than I expected initially, but that was from a low base.

In fact her early Btexshit stiff was pretty good and then she totally lost the plot by pandering to the nutters. In truth, labour and the Tories are pretty close on Brexshit albeit for different reasons, so there is no excuse for the descent into chaos.

The current lot a afoul,but the idea of the shadow cabinet being in charge is too awful to contemplate. Starmer apart. He and Hammond should form a mini coalition to sort the bloody mess out.

Telegraph is furious she buggered up the election, they are not alone in this.

@binners she is still PM, so she is getting things done Brexit being the focus and I am good with that 8)

Curious how the other parties where desperate that Brexit be a multi party project except when they are asked to contribute … oh no that’s a sign of weakness and having no ideas. Doh !

Jamba – does the stench of corruption/dodgy deals not even bother you slightly? Or is it just a case of the ‘ends justifying the means’ for you?

They may be committed to Brexit, but I admire your confidence in thinking that this gang of clowns can actually deliver it, in any form that you and your fellow fanatics would recognise Jammers 🙂

Phillip Hammond is the only grown up in the room. And he (rightly) thinks the whole business is insane!

Chances of the Tory party not going to war with itself over the summer?

Zero IMHO

Starmer apart. He and Hammond should form a mini coalition to sort the bloody mess out

So we’d be cancelling brexshit in that case, huzzah!

Curious how the other parties where desperate that Brexit be a multi party project except when they are asked to contribute …

That’d be because no one wants to own the damage that Brexits already doing to the country….

Even though Maybots just lost another MP for revealing the true face of brexit & the DUP are busy stirring up sectarian hatred in the marching season, she’s still playing a blinder, right? 😉

Jamba – does the stench of corruption/dodgy deals not even bother you slightly? Or is it just a case of the ‘ends justifying the means’ for you?

Sorry you’ve lost me, what are you referring to ? (genuine question, will respond)

Jammers darling… do keep up

As part of the grubby deal with the delightful orange order, creationist climate-change-deniers, May has shelved plans to make the transparency of political donations retrospective to 2014. Which, totally coincidentally I’m sure, means that the DUP/UVF/whatever get to keep it a secret about who used them as a front to funnel the trifling sum of £425,000 into your beloved Brexit campaign

Nothing remotely dodgy there then?

And a really good look for a PM, being complicit in that type of thing

Sorry! However Binners beat me to it – I honestly thought my post was obvious – I’ll try not to be so opaque in future.

Nice to see the Maybot and the unhinged Brexshitters she’s now the mouthpiece for now have the Full trilogy…….

Less of the former. Now there in name only. A lot more of the latter two

The corruption investigated

https://www.channel4.com/news/the-400000-donation-to-pro-brexit-campaign

teamhurtmore – Member
I have never been a fan, although did think that she was doing better than I expected initially, but that was from a low base.

What has she achieved? Protracted Court case to remind her what Parliament is for. Any other legislation delivered? More flips than a Danny M you tube, thrown away a majority and had to bribe the dup? What were your starting expectations?