Raoul Moat/John Rambo

toys19 – you've never shot a real gun, have you?

It's not like the films, and slightly harder than CODMW.

Actually, if the police have Glocks then I fancy the ginger roid-monster withg the unfeasibly small testicles – they are bloody hard to shoot accurately.

I keep remembering the bit of dialogue between the two police snipers at the marathon in Four Lions… "Is a wookie a bear control?"…

missingfrontallobe – Member
'epicyclo – Member
So how did he get a gun?
Gun laws just don't work.'
He didn't get it legally did he? …
Gun laws can work, they just can't cover all situations. Derrick Bird had a legally held weapon…

Exactly.
Criminals can get guns any time they want.

Nut cases with legal guns aren't deterred by the law.

Ergo, gun laws do not work.

Thats called a 'perfect solution fallacy'

All it needs is the Temp/Chief Constable to ask Raoul to prove that he wasn't overdoing steroids by proving his Wiener schnitzel hasn't been badly affected, only she had heard from Durham jail that it was tiny. Wiggling her little finger.
That would get him on the streets of Rothbury with his pants round his ankles shouting, "Come an' have a look."
Tazer shot and he'd be in custody. Simple.

This map sucks!

cranberry – Member

toys19 – you've never shot a real gun, have you?

It's not like the films, and slightly harder than CODMW.

Actually, if the police have Glocks then I fancy the ginger roid-monster withg the unfeasibly small testicles – they are bloody hard to shoot accurately.

Yeah I think I was joking about the arms and legs thing.

As an aside I have a firearms cert for 22/250 (foxes and small vermin) and 7.62mm (for deer.) Have shot many. V difficult to get a clean kill over 100meters.

Agreed rossi! Oh and bang on about the snipers on bfbc2!!

TandemJeremy – Member
Rubbish

Guns are hard to come by in this country and this is why we have a very low rate of gun murders. Go to the states where guns are easy to get and they have loads of gun murders

Ok its oversimplistic but it is still correct. Gun restriction reduces gun crime

So Switzerland must be a veritable blood bath then?

I have lived in communities where there would be at least 1 gun per house and usually more. I don't recall any shootings.

Bad people use guns badly, good people use them wisely.

On your basis hot cars should be banned.

BTW I can't see the point in owning a gun in this country – except for the dispatch of hot car drivers 🙂

So how much longer till he takes the title of "UK Hide and Seek Champion" off that kid who hid under the bed?

So how much longer till he takes the title of "UK Hide and Seek Champion" off that kid who hid under the bed?

Will he qualify to compete in the world champs against the young lad who was(nt) blown away in a helium balloon?

Canada has more guns than the United States (mostly because of hunting and protection against wild animals that want to eat you) and there is less gun crime than the USA.

So, it must be a cultural thing. No one NEEDS a gun, unless the other person has one. Which propagates paranoia.

I admit to being fascinated by guns though. I served in the TA for a time and had the priviledge of being able to fire lots of different types but I was trained and supervised and also deemed sane enough to handle them.

Theres really no reason why anyone in the public would need a handgun. Ever.

Theres really no reason why anyone in the public would need a handgun. Ever.

What am I going to use to nail this wanted poster on the saloon doors with if not the butt of my handgun?

You're clearly not thinking straight

toys19 – Member

OH TJ eff off you keep coming up with these things I have to agree with.

Sorry Toys

Canada has more guns than the United States (mostly because of hunting and protection against wild animals that want to eat you)

Bullshit – neither per capita nor aggregate.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828

also deemed sane enough to handle them.

So was I and still am but don't mean something could make you or I flip and the go on a rampage.

As already pointed out gun was obtained illegally so makes the gun law argument futile.

toys19 – apologies – my irony meter didn't get tripped by your post 🙁

I've only ever been accurate with a rifle on static targets, grazing deer, a sniffing fox etc. With a moving target its shotgun, or maybe in this case a machine gun…. I do hope they get him alive though, we need to show him and the world that Moats idea of summary justice is not good. It would also prove that the cops were up to their job. Unfortunately its inevitable that even see him a cop will pop him off.

How mindful would you be of someone else's right to life if you knew that:

1. He had already killed
2. He is unbalanced
3. He has stated that he specifically wants to kill people like you

The police will try to take him alive, but I hope that they don't risk their own lives in doing so.

They should be absolutely mindful of his right to life.

That doesn't mean he won't wind up getting shot, but policemen with machine guns who have stopped worrying about people's right to life is a bad business. If they can't manage professionalism when dealing with bad people then another line of work would seem to beckon.

Just had a text joke

I am a 23 year old blonde nymphomaniac with a thing for large ginger Geordies who like writing long letters, camping and firearms. If this is you please email me at armedresponse@northhumerlandconstabulary.org

AFAIK he's called Raoul cos his mam's French.

And all those London firearms cops pouring into Northumberland? I hope to god there aren't any brazilian backpacking tourists, it'll be a bloodbath!

It really seems like plod haven't a clue where he is; he could be in Scotchland by now.

Indeed – remember the Brazilian electrician.

I'd hate them to gun down the wrong chap

he could be in Scotchland by now.

and he's Ginger, , , , now this guy is clever!!

Which is why BigDummy's response above is correct.

AFAIK he's called Raoul cos his mam's French.

That'll explain the Spanish name then. 😕

That'll explain the Spanish name then. 😕

💡 It's also French, apparently it's the French form of the German 'Ralph' and means 'wise wolf'.

So it's German than or Spanish maybe French seems depend which website.

I'm loving the news coverage and their pronunciation of local places.

Pauperhaugh – Poperhoff

Ponteland – Pontyland

Rothbury – at one point was Roughbury

Don't forget the chip shop that got done by Raoul (edit: Alledgedly!) at Seaton De La Val.

So how did he get a gun? Gun laws just don't work.

Criminals can get guns any time they want.

Nut cases with legal guns aren't deterred by the law.

Ergo, gun laws do not work.

Bad people use guns badly, good people use them wisely.

…etc etc etc…

To summarise this line of argument…

(a) we have tight gun control restrictions, but …

(b) some bad people still manage to get hold of guns, therefore …

(c) tight gun control restrictions are pointless, so …

(d) we should give up trying to enforce them, which will …

(e) make it easier for bad people to get hold of guns.

🙄

Aye forgot that one Neil.

Yes Elliptic that's what they were getting at that Guns should be sold in your local Asda.

When I went to Oz in the '70s you could buy guns and ammo at the supermarkets. No bloodbaths then.

What tyres for evading armed police through woodland?

In the 70s you order a shotgun from your Kays catalogue here. The big changes came after the likes of Hungerford and made things stricter.

So how did he get a gun? Gun laws just don't work.

People are still robbed despite robbery being illegal.
Clearly anti-robbery laws don't work and should be abolished. 🙄

John J Rambo would only come down for one man- colonel Trautman.
As Raoul is a geordie there is only one man to talk him down:
KEEGAN

Gun control is different to the prohibition of other offences though.

Robbery is indeed illegal. Bad people do it, but the fact that good people aren't allowed to do it has no impact on bad people doing it. With guns, the argument goes that good people, if they were allowed guns, could then defend themselves against the bad people, who are not prevented from having guns by the fact of their illegality.

The plod-blog quoted on the previous page clamours for guns for plod on the grounds that steroid-freaks can get them. I want one for exactly the same reasons. Prohibition doesn't prevent bad people having them, but does prevent me having one. As a result of the imperfectly enforced prohibition I am actually less safe than I would/fantasize I might be if there was no prohibition.

I suspect it's bollocks, but that's the point.

If BigD you were climbing into a building where there may be a 'maniac' with a shotgun in order to capture him than yeah you'd need a gun. However, if your sitting in your house minding your own business then the chances of needing a gun to defend yourself from gun welding raiders is unlikely.

Yes, but if the maniac decides to break into my home I'd argue that I needed one.

If, say, I was going out with the ex-girlfriend of a bloke who was being let out of prison on early release I'd say I definitely needed one. 🙂

So it's German than or Spanish maybe French seems depend which website.

No mman, they use it in each country and his mam was French and so he ended up with the name. The endless pisstaking might have been what started him on his life of petty crime and madness.

That and the Ginger bullying.