Prince Andrew, what a cowardly little ****.

I suspect all those close to him have known a long time just exactly what he is and aren’t particularly fussed. I think they get a bit annoyed when it’s “the Firm” getting tarnished but it’s only the little people…

He obviously comes out of this extremely badly & he’s finished as an ‘active member of the Royal Family’, but it does suggest she was only in it for the cash.

it does suggest she was only in it for the cash

Turning down a settlement doesn’t go down well in the courts there.

The cash is going to charity, unless she’s a manager of it like Cpt Tom’s daughter

but it does suggest she was only in it for the cash.

I too thought I had heard she was adamant she wanted her day in court and an apology

That said, the payout is imo as good as an admission of guilt. And if I was her I’d rather have the cash than an acknowledgment of guilt and a half assed apology

Well, there’s the unsurprising ending. Rich man solves legal problem with large sum of cash.

I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending, but you can’t have everything.

The cash is going to charity

I read it as both…. she’ll be getting a settlement (which she needs, not least for legal costs) AND he’ll be donating to the charity.

the payout is imo as good as an admission of guilt.

That’s exactly what it is

it does suggest she was only in it for the cash

… which she won’t see a penny of as she’s donated it all to a charity supporting the victims of sex trafficking

I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending

What – pulling his mask off and finding out it was the Queen all along?

What – pulling his mask off and finding out it was all four members of Queen all along?

TBH I was just shamelessly pilfering jokes from Mike Myers, but your plot works.

I read it as both…. she’ll be getting a settlement (which she needs, not least for legal costs) AND he’ll be donating to the charity.

That’s what I thought, but the articles I’ve re-reard don’t actually make this clear.

all four members of Queen

Freddie Mercury has an alibi…

I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending

He was meddling with the kids.

I’m pretty sure VG would have preferred to have seen justice done but that was never going to happen.
A settlement and the admissions he has made was the best she was going to get.
Lawyer on the news reckons Andrew’s total cost is £10million.

So many variables, reality is that the reason is down to the lawyers, his were costing a fortune, hers were working on a win based fee, so having a settlement suits both sides of the lawyers, they all get paid, Andrew minimises his losses as it’s now ended, and Guiffre gets a payout.

I don’t think anyone comes out of this well, Guiffre was always going on about her day in court, now that’s gone, again, potentially taken away by the lawyers getting the least riskiest payout for them, Andrew avoids court, but settling out of court always looks bad, even though in the states it happens a lot with innocent parties minimising their losses and negative press.

Personally, i just see Andrew as an entitled twit who’s spent his life a bit sheltered, did he sleep with her, again, my opinion, probably, but he again probably thought she really liked him (who wouldn’t like the dashing prince he thinks he was!) and that was it. Will he be back, i think he will be, slowly but surely, look at the amount of celebrities who have settled out of court in similar circumstances, when it comes down to civil cases and that burden of proof argument, they panic, which i’d say is also not a good thing, as it pushes civil cases to being settled, even with very limited evidence.

HRH was never going to let Andrew be cross examined. That would have been a disaster for the firm. Everyone including Guiffre has a price and the palace coughed up. Good on Guiffre for not giving in and taking them on.

Nonce.

Argee sums it up for me. He’s guilty of being a dick at the least, at 40 he should have been aware and mature enough to know sleeping with a 17 year old was not right regardless of how much she wanted to although I can see how he got into that position it doesn’t excuse his behaviour. And that’s the best case scenario. She’s not entirely a victim here either, we don’t know how complicit she was, she has been implicated in trafficking others as well so her demands for justice seem to ring a bit hollow. Hopefully they will all go away and the news can get back to important issues like getting Boris out if power.

An expensive shag 😀

As odious as Prince Andrew may or may not be, it’s irrelevant. It’s a shakedown, plain and simple. Somebody’s getting paid.

Huge queue forms at Palace on news that Prince Andrew is giving away money to people he’s never met

As odious as Prince Andrew may or may not be, it’s irrelevant. It’s a shakedown, plain and simple. Somebody’s getting paid.

Colour me interested, what’s the thinking?

That’s one of the Hydra’s heads dealt with. No doubt the rest will remain untouched.

Hmm, I wonder if the bank of mum (ie: us) made this possible in exchange for his titles etc last month?

I suspect that is the case, I did read something about him defending himself at his own private cost, but theres nothing to say ‘Ol Liz didn’t bung him a brown envelope to make it all go away, as it’s ceratinaly not in the interest of the royal family to have this dragged through the courts with the media shitstorm that would surely follow.

Almost all cases like this that are settled out of court are for a non-disclosed sum, So I doubt we’ll ever know how much money actually changed hands. I suspect it’s a large amount.

Nonce

Nonce is slang for ‘paedophile’ and a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Virginia Guiffre was 17 when the alleged incident took place and therefore not pre-pubescent.

The crime, where one might have been committed, is solely confined to whether Prince Andrew knew full well she was there against her will and for the sole purpose of sex. In order for Andrew to be guilty of something the court would have to prove that he knew full well she was there against her will and therefore a) unable to give consent, making this a rape case and b) there for the purposes of sex, making this a sex trafficing case. Both would have to be proved in court, which would be very difficult to achieve.

As to whether he is a ‘nonce’, we have words for very deeply problematic things like being sexually attracted to children for a good reason; precisely because these things are deeply problematic. Andrews behaviour is certainly problematic but it’s not paedophilic. We should be careful with the way we use words and even more careful with the careless expansion of their meaning.

I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending

What – pulling his mask off and finding out it was the Queen all along?

What a ridiculous thing to say. It would obviously be Diana

… which she won’t see a penny of as she’s donated it all to a charity supporting the victims of sex trafficking

Yep. She will make much more from the TV and book rights.
Regardless of what he did she was always in it for the money.

in it for the money

Getting him to pay up some money was the only redress the law allowed her.

Nonce is slang for ‘paedophile’ and a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Virginia Guiffre was 17 when the alleged incident took place and therefore not pre-pubescent.

The crime, where one might have been committed, is solely confined to whether Prince Andrew knew full well she was there against her will and for the sole purpose of sex. In order for Andrew to be guilty of something the court would have to prove that he knew full well she was there against her will and therefore a) unable to give consent, making this a rape case and b) there for the purposes of sex, making this a sex trafficing case. Both would have to be proved in court, which would be very difficult to achieve.

As to whether he is a ‘nonce’, we have words for very deeply problematic things like being sexually attracted to children for a good reason; precisely because these things are deeply problematic. Andrews behaviour is certainly problematic but it’s not paedophilic. We should be careful with the way we use words and even more careful with the careless expansion of their meaning.

Don’t come around here spouting your facts and common sense. A paedo is a man who fancies a girl younger than himself. Even if she’s 28.

Ah, the apologists for trafficking and predatory behaviour are here to tell us about dictionary definitions. Get stuck in lads. We see you though.

Imagine thinking that there was an OED definition for “nonce” and then arguing the toss over that definition to paint a nonce in a better light. How bizarre.

*edit*
Thank Christ I’m not alone in this. Faith restored.

He’s only got himself to blame.

She’s not entirely a victim here either, we don’t know how complicit she was, she has been implicated in trafficking others as well so her demands for justice seem to ring a bit hollow.

Yeah, I too think its fair to hold a teenager from a broken home to the same standards as a grown man who has never had to want for anything.

Yep. She will make much more from the TV and book rights.
Regardless of what he did she was always in it for the money.

Sorry, but that comment alone makes you sound like a horrific shitbag…

sharkbait

Yep. She will make much more from the TV and book rights.
Regardless of what he did she was always in it for the money.

One hell of a long-term, stressful process she’s gone through to get on reality TV.

Other than writing Andrew a strongly worded email about her allegations what did you expect her to do?

I’d also take some consolation, if I were her, that this whole process has cost him far more financially and in whatever standing he had left, as he carried on with the pretence of fighting it all the way to a court trial. Let’s not to forget the self inflicted interview that made him look guilty as hell even if he wasn’t. Yeah, right.

He’ll still never see a day in court,a night in a cell or anything resembling poverty. If ever anyone needs reminding that the law in most countries is not blind to wealth, here it is.

He bought his way out of a situation be should never had got into both historically and recently and I’ve for no sympathy for him whatsoever.

As mentioned above. Painting her as a willing victim is weird
There’s a room with well connected billionaires and princes and an underage (from where she was trafficked) “girl” from a broken home, a place of poverty and a difficult path.
Seem odd?

But but but…he wanted a jury trial to prove his innocence.

Ex-cons informed me (honest guv) that ‘nonce’ refers to ‘vulnerable’ prisoners (rapists, paedos, sex offenders, narcissists) who are on Rule 43 which isolates them from the rest of the prison poipulation for their own safety. However, ingenious ‘bombs’, sharp objects and hot oil etc have been used to make contact with these prisoners.

Yep. She will make much more from the TV and book rights.
Regardless of what he did she was always in it for the money.

This says more about you than that abused woman. You may want to rethink your approach as what took place will never be acceptable.

She always was in it for the money. Clearly there was never enough evidence for a criminal trial. As a result it became about money. I don’t think either party comes out of it well. She will make a fortune and we will no doubt pay Andrews bills one way or another