Osbourne says no to currency union.

Polls are certainly pretty consistent and have been for a week ( apart from the one panic inducing rogue)

All these polls converging on basically the same result within the margins of error – does that mean they’re all pretty accurate, or just that no pollster wants to stick their neck out?

YouGov, for The Sun and The Times: Yes 48%, No 52%.
Survation, for the Daily Record: Yes 47%, No 53%.
The results are excluding don’t knows, which were 6% in the YouGov poll, and 9% with Survation.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/scottish-independence/referendum-outcome

I’m sorry you see it that way, it’s certainly not intended.

Not just me that sees it that way, clearly.

It’s interesting, after talking to lots of people both Yes and No, ive come to a general conclusion: people vote No for selfish reasons, and vote Yes for altruistic ones.

Heh. 🙂

Am I the only one who is slightly cynical of the number of people on both sides who are being quoted on the BBC’s live feed saying they gave swapped at the last minute?

Yes, I don’t know anyone who’s changed their mind. People are generally really bad at changing their minds about anything, even when they’re blatantly wrong (stop it 😉 )

I honestly can’t tell if it’s going to be a very, very close result, or 60/40 one way or the other.

It’s interesting, after talking to lots of people both Yes and No, ive come to a general conclusion: people vote No for selfish reasons, and vote Yes for altruistic ones

Yeah, I did say that, that wasn’t very polite. I should perhaps have emphasised the “general” bit, I certainly don’t think that applies to all on either side. But. Look at the last posters from the campaigns – the No poster is about saving “Your pay, your pension, your pound”, the Yes poster is about doing it for future generations.

So what I said was an impolite overgeneralisation, but I think it does cover quite a bit of the campaigns’ output.

344 pages of pish

345 if I’ve got anything to do with it

344 pages of pish

Yep 😀

Bloody hell ben, your levels of disgust and hatred for the union (anyone not scottish) are really quite unpleasant.

this is absolute bullshit and you’re a liar.

Pretty sure it was Ben who rubbished my only post on here in a slightly patronising way, so I’d have to agree with some of the above posts I’m afraid.

Kona bunny please feel free to come up with whatever version of reality suits you. But please try to use a slightly higher level of intelligence when you post.

(I’m 37, by the way)

Ha, you come across much younger than that

grum – Member

Yes there have been insults on both sides – but I don’t recall any No supporters persistently adopting the tone of moral superiority that bencooper does

And I don’t recall any No supporters being accused of being racists. <thing the other side does> is definitely worse than <thing my side does>.

Ha, you come across much younger than that

I’m just not worn down by cynicism and ennui.

Look at the last posters from the campaigns – the No poster is about saving “Your pay, your pension, your pound”, the Yes poster is about doing it for future generations.

Jesus. Future generations depend upon a stable currency and economy, and a state pension scheme. You are voting to jeopardise all these things because of some infantile desire for ‘change’ which will serve no one except the intellectual dwarfs of the Scottish left. You can’t build a better future without a stable economy.

I hope if it is a yes you realise at some point the damage you’ve helped cause.

Disappointed the Herald took a half step back, although I never really found it that pro yes anyway.

Not so much a full step, more of a devo step.

That’s the theme of pretty much all of your posts on here.

I generally think this has been conducted reasonably cordially, interestingly I see the tone of posts the other way around. I’m largely neutral, but to my reading some of the NO posts of THM and ninfan have been both condescending and patronising, in a “we know best” sort of way, generally I think Ben’s conducted himself pretty well against some pretty harsh criticism a few hundred pages back.

I genuinely wish the Scots well whatever their vote tomorrow, and I hope the rest of Britain will support them regardless.

actually that is a good post the no side have been repeatedly accused of racism – is that fair game Grum?

If you prefer humorous I went for this before NW returned with sense

Poor Ben on the receiving end of the STW equivalent of the Westminster elite bullying

Did I upset anyone with that 😉

And I don’t recall any No supporters being accused of being racists.

You mean apart from when bencooper implied that all No supporters are Nazis?

dufresneorama – Member

344 pages of pish

How come you didn’t give up after reading the first half a dozen or so pages ?

Splitting up this little Island is a bit silly.

Pretty sure it was Ben who rubbished my only post on here in a slightly patronising way, so I’d have to agree with some of the above posts I’m afraid.

Did I? I can’t remember – it may have been because it was something we’ve done to death many times and I couldn’t face it again. Was it about who gets the oil fields or something?

grum – Member

You mean apart from when bencooper implied that all No supporters are Nazis?

Yeah, apart from that thing that never happened.

Without wishing to defend the opposition: this is a reflection of the two different campaign strategies, so it isn’t surprising that rubs off on the posts here.. Yes’s Big Idea is that this it the Moral Choice. No’ s is that it is the Rational One. Clearly they both try to say that they are more than that, but that is the message they are trying to get across. Friday morning will tell us which has worked.

As a parting shot. For all that this campaign has supposedly changed the face of politics. The two people who, for me, have done well are Salmond (much as I want to poke him in the eye) and Brown. The campaign hasn’t really produced any new faces. One reason why I am a bit cynical & voting No, I suppose.

The Herald managed to select the option that isn’t even on the ballot paper 🙄

Yeah, apart from that thing that never happened.

I’m being somewhat hyperbolic obviously – but there’s a pretty clear implication in that post of ‘this is what No supporters are like’. It’s fairly ridiculous to deny it.

No will win by a small margin tomorrow.
There will be another referendum within the next 25 years.
Westminster will be open and honest about things,unlike now.
The Yes vote will then win by a fairly large margin.
I’d rather Yes won tomorrow though.

lots of hot air on channel 4 😯

Rise above it Ben – you are a star and some truly great posts. I’ll miss them. The nazi one was just a giggle.

I’m being slightly hyperbolic obviously

Ever so slightly 😉

We’re going to have to confront this side of Scottish society at some point, it’s all tied in with the sectarianism as well. It’s going to be a problem whichever way the referendum goes. It’s unfortunate for all the decent, honourable No people that their campaign was latched on to by the Orange Order and right-wing thugs.

Without wishing to defend the opposition: this is a reflection the two different campaign strategies, so it isn’t surprising that rubs off on the posts here.. Yes’s Big Idea is that this it the Moral Choice. No’ s is that it is the Rational One. Clearly they both try to day that they are more than that, but that is the message they are trying to get across. Friday morning will tell us which has worked.

That’s a very good way of putting it. The number of times I’ve heard people say it’s head vs. heart. Though oddly sometimes they mean staying in the Union is the heart option.

I’m being somewhat hyperbolic obviously

Is it bad when you do it or just when Ben does it?

Was it about who gets the oil fields or something?

Its OK i stepped in whilst you were way – yes really I actually had to
A long term poster on the thread argued for 90/10 split for rUK
they could not produce evidence as it was copyrighted

Rise above it Ben – you are a star and some truly great posts. I’ll miss them. The nazi one was just a giggle.

You see, I think they’re all a giggle – this is a serious subject, but I don’t think that means we have to take it seriously.

Especially on here, where half the fun is in the debate.

Especially on here, where half the fun is in the debate.

No it isn’t.

Is it bad when you do it or just when Ben does it?

Yup fair dos – I thought it was fairly obvious that I didn’t think he actually meant that all NO supporters were Nazis.

I still think it was a crude generalisation about No supporters though.

The two people who, for me, have done well are Salmond (much as I want to poke him in the eye) and Brown

The Mail and Labour are raving about Gordon’s speech,well made though it was, the content is just self contradictory , scare mongering tosh.

grum – Member

there’s a pretty clear implication in that post of ‘this is what No supporters are like’.

Yeah, if you like. Not really though.

Grum it has been a strange debate that has made many folk emotive and it was a crude one as is claiming that it is anti english and that has been done many times as well.

Just think if it is a yes vote we have another 18 months of this shit

Still the best argument to vote no i have heard 😉

also some proper weird stuff like the Daily Mail praising Brown – it has been a weird debate

The Mail and Labour are raving about Gordon’s speech,well made though it was, the content is just self contradictory , scare mongering tosh.
It sounded good though didn’t it? Full of commitment, passion and conviction. Stuff the content. Doing to Eck what Eck has been doing to the No campaign for the past 18 months. They don’t like it up ’em do they?

Especially on here, where half the fun is in the debate.

Indeed. It’s a MTB forum after all.

The herald is quire a shock though – I hope that is reflective of the silent majority. At the end of the day, common sense prevails (I hope) but, if not, could do with a 20% decline in property prices 😉