not happy with new car tires??… anything i can do?

In defence of Goan he has, though abruptly at times, been perfectly civil and explained his reasoning throughout, even if I haven't agreed on all the points.

Uplink – give me an example of where it is acceptable to take a risk on a public road.

TJ – I stick by the 1 million miles thing. Just because you cant get your head round it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Driving is black and white, and safe driving is really **** simple. It annoys me that people in this country cant see that the roads are not a competition ground, the road isn't your **** castle and you dont own it.

When it comes to driving I have no intention of lightening up. Come spend a bit of time driving around with me and you'll see the appalling standards of driving on the roads.

I am also man enough to hold my hands up when i've made a mistake and have done a few times on here.

TJ – that is a fair point and a better way of putting it.

TJ – that is a fair point and probably a better way of putting it.

does being an driving instructor trainer make you an expert in road safety?

No, it simply means your a qualified person

I'm qualified in a few things but I'd be streched to claim to be an expert in any in particular

The DSA say I'm an expert, I'd tend to go with their opinion rather than yours.

Uplink – give me an example of where it is acceptable to take a risk on a public road.

When I drive down the motorway, I'm taking a risk that the people stood on the bridge don't suddely decide to drop a paving flag on top of me

It's an acceptable risk [IMO] to continue driving under the bridge if nothing looks untoward

Lots & lots of risks every day all day – even when you're sleeping

suspect you'll see me driving less riskily than I would on my own on deserted country roads (which has been my point from the start – dont increase anyone elses risks but still can enjoy the roads)?

Its just this type or arrogance that gets people killed. You maybe lucky and never hurt anyone, but unless the road is closed how can you know its deserted? I've lost a cycling friend because someone did something he thought wasnt risky. Take it to a track and keep it from the roads.

Goan – Member
The DSA say I'm an expert, I'd tend to go with their opinion rather than yours.

No they say that you are qualified to teach people how to teach people to drive you are in no way a expert on road saftey.
do you know just what each type of road surface is made up from and the positoning of street furniture that can make a difference to road safety?

Also every time you decied to get in a car you are taking a risk, every time you decied to pull out of a side road you are taking a risk. Every thing in life is taking a risk but each and every person has to decied if they want to take a risk.

I would agree that the standard of driving in this country is appallling but it has more to do with both arragonce and the not wainting to be held up by anyone or anything.

No, they do actually say that I'm an expert on road safety…

To answer your other question – Yes.

haven't read all of previous posts, looks like a lot of ranting.

I do sympathise with the OP – I have had a bad case of tyres not suiting the car, but before replacing them I tried everything to make them work, pressures, suspension getting checked out, camber, tracking, swapping wheels etc. But at the end of the day when the tyres were changed it was fixed.

As for not being able to spin whilst normal driving that is tosh. Touch wood hundreds of thousands of miles, 28 yrs of driving and not an accident I hit diesel on a wet road on a motorway slip road and I was out of control.

Bite the bullet and replace the tyres if you have a family spend a few hundred quid and the garage will surely do a deal.

Who is this goan guy anyway? The OP just wanted some tyre advice, at what point did he say

'actually, I could do with a world class tosspot logging in and telling me how much better he is than me/my wife/everyone else on the road'

Go ahead and **** off will you, the STW public will thank you.

kenneththecurtain – nice constructive post that. Well thought out, you must have fried a lot of neurons thinking that one up.

Blimey, what a thread.

Driving cannot possibly be black and white!
The only driving you do without accepting some sort of risk is just sitting in your stationary vehicle in your own drive.

The risk of unexpected mechanical failure.
The risk of sneezing and missing something. (yes, you realy can't sneeze with your eyes open!)
The risk of you becoming ill (heart, stroke, epilepsy spring to mind) and losing control of the car.
The risk of someone else driving badly and colliding with you or causing you to alter your impecable standards of driving and say, hit the kerb to avoid a worse collision. Glupton faces all these risks to some extent every time he gets in a vehicle. His expertise may be such that he reduces many of these to lower levels than the rest of us. But he will never be rid of them.

I am not an expert on driving safety but I am 'quite good' at people who are literally too risk-averse to set foot outside their front doors. Those are the people who never take risks. There is no such thing as black and white, and there is no such thing as driving or indeed anything else whilst thinking you have absolutely every last risk covered.

Ultimately glupton is probably right. But the way to establish this whilst retaining some sort of interest from the readers of this thread would be to enquire after a few more details for the benefit of us lesser beings, whet our inquisitive appetites so to speak, and then explain.

Glupton, if you really like black and white, train to be an engineer not a physio! Honestly, as one health bod to another prospective one, you will be frustrated at every turn if you think things will ever be anything like as clear-cut as this in your new job.

Anyway, otherwise some useful points on this thread: I think I'll go and check my tyre pressures now… 😀

JW – that's why I am changing careers, I tried engineering – I was shit at it. I hate the black and white of driving, its it reminds me of studying logic in enegineering, it bores me now – way too much time in a car.

I did also admit that I should have been talking about unnecessary risks, rather than all risks.

I have asked Renton to point out where his wife spun the car. My intention is to give various ways to deal with that type of junction and lessen the risk of making a mess of it.

julianwilson……….I crashed my first car into a barrier during an uncontrolled spate of sneezing. 6 or 7 sneezes on the trot half-way round a right hand bend at night……couldn't see a bloody thing.

Had I known I was going to sneeze to that extent I would have stopped & got it out of the way!

I also had a boost pipe connection fail while overtaking a car on the A1 – good job it was 4 lanes of A1, as if it had been a country road it might have been a bit different. Not sure how I could have anticipated this failure & hope it doesn't happen again.

So, I would say that driving does involve a number of risks. It's a matter of dynamic risk assessment.

You did ask him about where the roundabout was. But you also got everyone's backs up telling him it was his wife's fault straight off the bat. Make like Columbo and draw the evidence out gently and charmingly over an hour-long episode with two advertisment breaks. 🙂

Glupton, on another slightly tangential but off-the-topic-of-tyres-completely subject, (but since you are still watching) is it right or wrong (or just a little bit right :wink:) to drive over the white bit in the middle of a mini roundabout if there is room to drive round it? Always wondered and dimly remember my driving instructor saying something about it 15 years ago….

julianwilson – Member
Blimey, what a thread.

Driving cannot possibly be black

Racist

JW – do whatever you want if it's safe.

Burn Goan, burn goan

why can't you do something if there is risk involved?

Going back to the last page… Speshpaul I have no problem with you whatsoever, it's Smee/glupton/goan/godofroadsafety who's attitude is ridiculous and who, for some reason, has really annoyed me. I don't normally waste time on people like him, but something about his attitude has irked me.

The odd thing is that I agree with a number of the points you've made Goan, people driving too fast/hard etc, 'testing' the limits of their vehicles on public roads, it's crazy, but your high-handed attitude just makes you seem like an arrogant prick.

Anyway, shouldn't you be a world cup elite racer now with all the time you were going to have to train? Or do you instead spend that time doing laps of roundabouts getting you up to a million miles and making sure you know exactly what a diesel spill looks like.

You also never justified how you manage to spend all your time posting on STW when you also allegedly drive 32603 miles on a quiet hour.

Njee20 – I'm glad that I appear to be getting under peoples skin. IT might make them think about their driving a wee bit more. If it does, then my job is done.

expert?

ex – has been
spurt – drip under pressure

imo anyone who says they're an expert is to be avoided
a bit like people who say they're cool or crazy

I haven't read all of this thread as i ain't got all day 🙂

I bought some Goodyear Eagle F1's for my car about 6months ago, and the car felt terrible, i tried the obvious different pressure's etc and nothing made much difference, i emailed goodyear out of curiosity to see what pressure's they recommended for my car, they emailed me back pretty quick and asked me for the number on the sidewall of the tyre which i sent to them, he then mailed me a phone number and said give them a call, so i phoned them up and he suggested the tyres i bought i take them back to the garage i got them from as they were designed for the middle east and not for uk conditions, there is a difference in the compounds and the type of rubber used, anyway took them back to the garage with a copy of the email from Goodyear and they were replaced with some new Goodyear Eagle F1's which this time were made in germany (the other set were made in thailand) and what a difference the car is how it should be…
Just to add it wasn't the garage's fault and they were more than helpfull, they got the tyres off there distributor who was at fault for sourcing probably cheaper than normal good years, the tyres looked identical but the drive is so different….

Ohhh, there you go, an interesting and useful response.

We got there in the end.

😀

indeed

best "what tyre" thread ever

FWIW I've never had tyres that were so bad I spun the car. Even tiny 13" tyres on my ancient Polo that were £20 each. My guess is a combination of road contamination and non-bedded in tyres. 80% of the first.

molgrips – where does driver error come into your equation? There must have been some of it to spin a car….

Ohhh, there you go, an interesting and useful response.

We got there in the end.

Think you'll find I posed the very same points in my first few replies to the thread!

EDIT, in fact, 2nd post:

. I am surprised that yokos are THAT poor though, while each tread pattern and compound (different compounds are used across the world, depends on your source and whether they bought cheap ones from abroad) are different, usually the more well known ones are consistently strong but with some tendencies.

<beats chest in a silverback fashion> 😆

I even suggested he return them to see if they were wrong compound.

Still haven't gotten to the bottom of why people are always looking for something else to blame their **** ups on and why they wont entertain the possibility that it was human error…….

Because it's human nature to blame others, hence thats the first place people look. Often those who blame themselves first have serious confidence disorders. Sometimes they're just quite enlightened.

Plus when something out of the ordinary happens when you have done nothing unusual and in a manner that normally causes no harm, it's the logical thing to look for the only item that has changed.

OK, so you've fallen off your bike and need hospital treatment urgently. Goan, SpeshPaul and njee20 each turn up in an ambulance and offer to drive you the 320 miles along winding mountain roads to the nearest hospital for lifesaving medical attention. based upon what you know of each of them, which ambulance do you crawl into?

Don't know if I missed something, but I always think new tyres seem a bit iffy for the first few hundred miles. Doesn't it say something about being careful until they are run in on the guarantee?

OK, so you've fallen off your bike and need hospital treatment urgently. Goan, SpeshPaul and njee20 each turn up in an ambulance and offer to drive you the 320 miles along winding mountain roads to the nearest hospital for lifesaving medical attention. based upon what you know of each of them, which ambulance do you crawl into?

The helicopter

Goan, SpeshPaul and njee20 each turn up in an ambulance and offer to drive you the 320 miles along winding mountain roads to the nearest hospital for lifesaving medical attention. based upon what you know of each of them, which ambulance do you crawl into?

LOL!

No offence to any involved, but I think I'd walk. I'm quite distrusting of just about everyone's driving.

I'd be wondering when outer mongolia got ambulances and hospitals and htf i got there.

well after reading 2 pages of bull shit thought i would say a few words on the subject
tyres are a man made product primaly made up of oil and polomers and compounds the cheaper versions out there being made to a price and probaley taking longer to stop in the wet as a more well known brand
with regrad to your problem my thoughts on the matter would be that it would be more of hitting some diesal on the road etc rather than the poor handling of the tyre even though i am not an adovacte of yokohamas and seeing as it was on a roundabout this is a usual occurance but not on a regular basis
with regrad to your combitation how much depth have your fronts have ? maybe you could try these on the back with the yokos on the front to see if they will bed in
tyres dont have mould agents on them but do need in some very rare cases
need to be run a few miles to have the silca coating worn off this coating thats on them is too stop premature ageing when they are taken out of the mould this is because a tyre starts aging as soon as it leaves the mould
another scenerio is the cars stabilty isnt right due to you having 2 different tyres on but usual only find it a problem with more high powered cars
try taking to the tyre dealer who sold you the tyres and get them to get a field service engineer from Yokoahama to get involved
have you had any adjusment done to the cars tracking front or rear and was this done at the same time as the tyres being replaced was it by a ford dealership? if so then you need to question wether this was done correctly? tyres main function and how they work is for the oil content in the tyre tread area when driving is for it to work simliar with warming oils on our muscles prior to excise except in the tyres case by driving forward the friction created by rolling over a tramac road warms the oil up changeing the compound in the tread area thus for it to then maintain grip and also to give a certain amount of life as you the motorist looks for ie milage usual the cheaper the product in some cases the longer the life but poorer the grip
well thats my rant and before you start have being sellig tyres for the last 40 years in which some of them have included doing some competion work ie rallyng so do have a fair knowledge of them and to be honest they are all much of the same some more suited to a particular car/driver then the next but you do get a better product the more you go up the price ladder
my current brand which i have to say to be an all round type is call Toyo and have sold and fitted it to most types of vechlies with out any problems