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  • renton
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    i bought some new tires for my cmax last weekend and im not happy with them.

    we had pirelli p7 on there before and they were a good tire but got noisy as they wore down.

    i went and bought some yokohama s306 as they were on a good deal and ive had yokos on previous cars before with good results.

    how ever these have turned my car into a very dangerous tail happy motor??

    ive checked the pressure and set them at the ford recommended pressure but thy seem to flex alot when going round a bend and send the back end all over the shop ??

    it come to a head tonight when my wife spun the car on a roundabout!!!which see has never done in 15 years of driving, it has made her lose confidence in driving now!!

    is there anything i can do ?? i have had them a week now and done about 350 miles!

    any ideas

    cheers

    steve

    druidh
    Free Member

    What make do Ford recommend / came with the car originally?

    renton
    Free Member

    i think it was the pirellis!!

    druidh
    Free Member

    There's your answer then. Buy some of those and flog the Yokos. I don't see that you have any recourse to the supplier if they were fitted on your instructions.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    "The Yokohama S306 are better than the Pirelli P7000s"

    😉

    http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews67033.html

    Zedsdead
    Free Member

    tire?

    scaredypants
    Full Member

    never used these but yokohamas generally are supposedly grippy but wear fast, aren't they ?

    don't suppose your roads have been dry for a while & just recently rained a bit ?

    Englishmastiff
    Free Member

    Sale of goods act states "fit for purpose" and "as described" Which these appear not to be. The job of a tyre is to provide grip, which these have failed to do. You will struggle to prove it's not your wifes driving (not that I am suggesting she has done anything wrong, but they will)however, they are still obliged to do something. Suggest getting the original spec ones from the same company to show loyalty, then taking up the issue with their head office. They will struggle to answer why you would go to the expence of fitting new tyres so soon after having the Yokos fitted.
    Good luck

    Pieface
    Full Member

    Take them back and tell them they're no good. Got to be worth a try.

    wHY WERE THEY ON OFFER, BECSUE THEY'RE CRAP?

    BadlyWiredDog
    Full Member

    Try altering the tyre pressures, what's right for the originals may not suit the new tyres, it's a funny business. And of course you did set the pressures when the tyres were stone cold etc?

    In fact, I'd suggest you contact Yokohama and see what pressures they suggest. If the tyres have soft sidewalls, they may need higher pressure.

    Pieface
    Full Member

    fORGOT to say, could the Ford recommended pressures need a degree of 'experimentation' as eery tyre will differ.

    CountZero
    Full Member

    It's funny how cars behave with different tyres on. I had a Puma, which came with either Goodyears or Pirellis. The consensus of owners was that they were brilliant with Goodyears on, but very unpredictable with Pirellis. I stuck with Goodyears, and Avons worked well too, but Goodyears really seem to suit Fords, for some reason.

    Andy-W
    Free Member

    New tyres sometimes have a protective coating on from new so will feel a bit strange when first fitted

    I have had it in the past with some new tyres (yoko's and khumos), it could just be that

    Andy

    radoggair
    Free Member

    Think they just need some miles under them. Put Pirellis on the back of my type R which caused it to oversteer at the first sign of lifting off mid bend no matter how fast. After 1000ish miles they bedded in and became good (but not great ) tyres. Give them time

    the_lecht_rocks
    Full Member

    HIJACK

    radoggair – i have yokohama advan sports on my type r – looking at 4 new ones (225 / 35 / 19)….
    any recommendations other than the standard advan sport ?

    Marge
    Free Member

    Sadly I would suggest there is not much you can do…

    Try proving the tyre is not fit for purpose! You never will.
    The future EU tyre regulations that will rate tyres for grip (braking) & rolling resistance and score them A thru F (like a washing machine) will only generate more of these problems I expect.
    Ford's have generally quite excellent handling but the downside of this can be tyre sensitivity.

    If they are really very bad get in touch with your dealer. It depends how desperately you want to change them but maybe he'll take them back & credit you something towards another brand.

    What size are they by the way? I am guessing the 195/65R15…

    (edit: if they are the P7 then I think it should be the 205/55R16)

    renton
    Free Member

    yep 205/55/16

    matthew_h
    Free Member

    What Andy said earlier, new tyres often come with the mould release agent still on the surface which makes them rather slippery to start with but which will generally wear off in a few hundred miles. Still no excuse for spinning a car though, that's poor driving.

    Smee
    Free Member

    Anything you can do? Yes – stop driving like a **** idiot. Even shit tyres take a lot to get them sliding. The roads aren't the place to dick about.

    BlingBling
    Free Member

    Sale of goods act states "fit for purpose" and "as described"

    Driving – Check

    Tyres – Check.

    FAIL.

    renton
    Free Member

    matthewh and goan….

    my wife was driving at the time ,15 years with not even the slightest mishap .

    my two kids were in the car at the time too.

    she pulled onto the island following another car(her father btw) and as she turned to come off the island the car just span !

    so you still think she was driving like a "***** idiot" as you so nicely put it???

    Smee
    Free Member

    Yes. Cars dont just spin and accidents dont just happen.

    renton
    Free Member

    no but tires with very flexy sidewalls make a car oversteer !

    ok mate you must be in the know on this sort of thing!!!

    i must bow down to your font of all knowledge .

    neilb67
    Free Member

    Swap your fronts to the rears..

    Smee
    Free Member

    Only three causes of skidding:

    Over-acceleration,
    Over-braking,
    Over-steering.

    The government says I'm an expert in this field, I'm happy with that.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    my two kids were in the car at the time too.

    She hit the roundabout too fast, mounted the central island, and spun the car with two children in the back ? ! 😯

    renton
    Free Member

    well done mate im very pleased for you!!

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    I have to back Goan up on this. New tyres not bedded in = slippery – release agent on them. spinning car – driving too fast for the road and vehicle conditions.

    dave_rudabar
    Free Member

    could be oil or diesel on the road? I almost span a car twice on subsequent r'bouts when it was raining & there was crud on the road, luckily i caught it each time.

    renton
    Free Member

    how long does it take a pair of tires to bed in then bearing in mind ive done 350 m/way miles on them since fitting, probably more!

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    350 miles should be enough to remove the release agent. Have you checked with the tyre manufacturer what the recommended pressures are? This can vary dramatically from the car manufacturers recommendation for original fitment tyres

    I doubt you have any comeback under the sale of goods act as you asked for those tyres unless you can show the tyres to be faulty.

    If you really dislike them then your only real option is to accept your mistake and have new tyres fitted.

    Marge
    Free Member

    350 miles should be plenty though depends a bit on what that 350 included..
    If you have a dry day go & get them warm on the highway.

    btw: softside walls normally reduce oversteer tendency.

    I don't wish to be provocative but I have almost never come across tyres that are so fundamentally poor that they cause accidents as described. (there are some shocking ultra low budget tyres out there that mind & Yoko don't fit that description)
    I would suggest your wife has has either been unlucky with some road contamination or that the tyres have yet to get bedded-in..

    coffeeking
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    Tyres can be bloody aweful, and if they're a step-change in grip from what you're used to it's perfectly possible to spin the car while driving normally and in a manner that would normally be considered safe and within normal limits, but especially if other conditions occur at the same time (wet/poor surface etc) but it's not really an excuse as such. I have recently replaced a set of "doublestar" cheapo tyres with 5mm of tread that were up front on my car (came with the car). When I first got it I fairly regularly would push the nose of the car straight through roundabouts as it simply wouldn't grip as I expect any normal car to do so. Even driving 'sensibly' and often slower than most of the other traffic in the area it would fire its ABS left right and centre, it'd struggle to deal with even light acceleration in the wet and the front end would step out over the slightest of uneven surfaces, even with new shocks. In the first couple of weeks I even had to dodge into a soft verge as braking from 35 on a wet morning they simply gave no braking despite the ABS attempting to un-lock them, it bearly even steered. They were horrific tyres and I dreaded going out in the car even on a good day and even driving like a granny. I planted a set of Uniroyal RainExperts on it (all round) and it has transformed the car, the difference is night and day. the ABS actually works now because the tyres are gripping and it corners well for a FWD nose heavy diesel estate. But I did research the Uniroyals for about 2 weeks and eventually order them in myself as no tyre places locally would get them.

    They were mildly slippery for the first couple of hundred miles but afterwards were fine.

    Something a lot of people forget is that brand new tyres, even of the same make, will be less precise and grippy than their old tyres as older tyres have more worn tread blocks, though mostly in a the dry. Tread blocks are normally wider at the base and when they are 8mm tall they flex a lot, this can give a predictable slip near the limits, but when they are worn down they dont flex and grip a little more like a slick.

    At the end of the day you've changed the thing that connects you to the road, the first thing I do when I do this is take the car to a known quiet safe location at night (car park) and scoot about a bit to see how it grips in comparison with the old tyres, in a place where no-one is likely to get injured. You'll never get your money back on the tyres because you'd have to prove they were not fit for purpose, which they are – your tyres are gripping and you're not sliding off to oblivion, so its personal interpretation as to how that grip is rated.

    Smee
    Free Member

    The sooner we introduce mandatory retesting every few years the better….

    The attitude to road safety that the vast majority on here display is **** terrible.

    coffeeking
    Free Member

    Personally I'd happily take a retest tomorrow, I know I'd pass!

    Smee
    Free Member

    CK – I'll be in Glasgow every day soon. I am happy to assess your driving.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    I'm struggling to see how some new tyres could make that much difference to a car. If you are utterly convinced its not due to poor driving or something else wrong with the car, just take the hit and buy some new ones.

    coffeeking
    Free Member

    I'm struggling to see how some new tyres could make that much difference to a car.

    I've no idea what your driving or experience is like and wont make any judgements from it, but having had cars long enough (i.e. each car for several years) to have several sets of tyres on each (of different makes and price ranges), it really doesn't surprise me at all that his new tyres can make night and day differences. I am surprised that yokos are THAT poor though, while each tread pattern and compound (different compounds are used across the world, depends on your source and whether they bought cheap ones from abroad) are different, usually the more well known ones are consistently strong but with some tendencies.

    Personally I find Pirellis (primarily the P6000s) to be absolute death traps. And strangely enough they have the nickname "ditch hunters" in the boy racer world.

    This is an interesting point though, you see lots of people judging the handling and performance of a car, yet few even know what tyres were on it. My GT4 has different tendencies with different tyres, with the cheaper Federal SS595s it understeers heavily but predictably. With conti sport contacts on it drifted evenly and predictably, and with uniroyals on it tails out, same size tyres, same pressures, same wheels.

    Gary_M
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    I don't really understand this. There are a lot of very cheap tyres about, as in £25 type stuff. You would think they would be crap but plenty people must buy them since they can't afford anything else.

    Why then do we not see loads of cars on cheap tyres sliding all over the place?

    When you had the tyres fitted did they do anything else to the car – tracking, suspension adjustment, etc?

    I've had yokahamas on one car and found them okay but they did seem to 'tramline' – not dangerous but you did have to fight with the steering on occasion. I also had pirelli p-zero on another car and they were okay but wore quickly.

    Both cars now have michelin pilot premacy and I'm very happy with them.

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