mydadhatedbritain

The Black Shirts – who did love Britain – not like you, you treasonous scumbag – will be along to sort you out shortly Bazz

his sentiments are correct IMO as is the idea that “profit, wealth creation, tax cuts and enterprise” are not in themselves bad words

The synonym is greed, greed, greed and greed which is less catchy and a bit bad IMHO

Wealth creation in particular is a total misnomer – it makes it sound like they want to help others rather than help themselves.

Its interesting to consider that the strongest critic of Ed’s campaign on the Left would probably be his own father

My own view, often reiterated, is that the belief in the effective transformation of the Labour Party is the most crippling of all illusions to which socialists in Britain have been prone.

ninfan – Member

Its interesting to consider that the strongest critic of Ed’s campaign on the Left would probably be his own father

That’s the bizarre thing, there’s this US-style “Ed is a communist”, “Red Ed” thing that people keep trying to do but it’s total mince really, he’s as communist as David Cameron. It’s like they’ve seen it work with nutjobs and Obama so they’re trying it here.

(meanwhile, lots of people slag him off for not being far enough to the left! Me included. Can’t win…)

This might yet turn into quite a canny bit of pro-tory/ukip skulduggery.

Cameron and Clegg gain kudos by ‘putting party politics aside’ to criticise the Fail. Ed just looks like someone doing what anyone else would do.

The Fail doesn’t lose any readers because, to be frank, they won’t change their attitudes in a million years. They probably view Cameron as a dangerously liberal ‘leftie’ anyway.

The best stuff I’ve heard so far was a former(?) Times man on Radio 5 this morning. He basically said that this Levy character is an un-read halfwit who ‘wasn’t up to the job’ of conducting any serious critique of someone who wrote sophisticated books on left-wing doctrine.

However, he declined to add the obvious point that this is probably what makes him appeal to readers of the Fail. They probably wouldn’t trust someone who knows his subject matter – dismissing him as a ‘wet’ intellectual.

Whatever your politics you have to realise that the Fail is just a nasty, narrow-minded and vindictive little rag. Written by bigots and read by people who have given up thinking and actively regard thinking as a frivolous activity in the first place.

Dreadful.

yesw the idea that he is a socialist is preposterous – I would imagine Cameron is as close to Hitler as Ed is to Marx tbh – ie nowhere near.

I think that rather than a ‘tory plot’ you need to look somewhere further at what is behind the hatchet job (even if its partially accurate) as this would be the last thing they wanted in the middle of their conference.

Its far more beneficial to UKIP in reality.

However more than anything, this is about Leveson – anything that Ed now says about press regulation, particularly about the mail, can be painted as revenge!

I would think this is due to a lack of investment in new plants. When the utility company have no option to build new plant or repair a significant part of the network due to age the cost of our energy is going to sky-rocket.

Not if Eds plan for a cap on energy prices comes into effect when he becomes PM…

However more than anything, this is about Leveson – anything that Ed now says about press regulation, particularly about the mail, can be painted as revenge!

Only by swivel-eyed right-wing loons (sound like anyone you know?)

anything that Ed now says about press regulation, particularly about the mail, can be painted as revenge!

I would rather have though that any right [ not politically clearly 🙄 ] minded individual would be able to see that this hatchet job is because of what he has already said about press regulation and they oppose regulation as they can self regulate. This hatchet piece of retaliation is not the most convincing case or example of how the press can be trusted to regulate themselves without interference now is it ?

Shot themselves in the foot somewhat with this to all eyes except the friends of the brown shirts.
Whatever your politics I dont really understand how anyone can think this is fair, reasonable , accurate or acceptable tbh.

“I don’t get the whole ‘the Mail supported the Nazis’ stick. I mean, it’s not like anybody currently linked with the paper (owners, employees, shareholders, whoever) was in any way a part of this support. “

The company is a legal person. It existed then, it exists now, and it has maintained its property and rights from then to today. Unlike Hugo Boss and IG Farben, there was no denazification and no compensation paid for their support for the nazis. And the Daily Mail has never said “we did it, and we’re sorry”. So they can FOAD.

My grandad hated Britain so much he fought years in the jungle, almost died, and was traumatised for the rest of his life for it…and that was a decade after he was a shop steward in the general strike and crypto-communist that wanted to overthrow aristo-capitalism.

I’d like to see Milliband punch people. It’s how these disputes would have been settled When Britain Was Great.

Junkyard, while there’s no doubt this is a particularly distasteful hatchet job – I think its fair to say that some of the arguments are valid when it comes to press regulation; The Guardian and the Left in general had no qualms about attacking Camerons dead fathers tax arrangements (but not those over Ed’s dads house), and there’s no doubt that Ed has repeatedly referred to his fathers politics in speeches, so there’s an argument that he ‘opened the door’ to criticism.

I think its fair to say that some of the arguments are valid when it comes to press regulation

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It not accurate to claim the left did a hatchet job like this on his dad is it? Links please

Even if it were two wrongs dont make a right and I would be happy to criticise them as well rather than claim it was fair game as you suggest.

Read what i said again!

if you don’t love britain, leave improve it!

I agree with Z-11, Ukip are much more likely to benefit from a headline grabbing fight, in the middle of the Tory Conference, between the Daily Mail and Miliband.

If the aim was to boast the Tories whilst damaging Labour then the obvious time to break this “story” would have been in the middle of the Labour Party Conference, not the middle of the Tory Conference.

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no qualms about attacking Camerons dead fathers tax arrangements

I’m not sure people are that outraged that the Daily Mail attacked Milibands father, I think what most people find unacceptable was the manner of the attack.

The headline screamed that Miliband’s father “hated” Britain, which as pretty serious and nasty allegation, and one which they provide no evidence of.

Of course the real target in this attack is ED Miliband himself and by claiming that he shared the same values as his father they are in fact very clearly implying that Ed Miliband hates Britain.

All of which is a very standard right-wing tactic. Obama gets accused of hating America everyday by right-wing US fruitcakes.

How is it that the DM manage to get away with what would get us done for incitement or hatemongering? Clever journoes and lawyers who know exactly how far they can push it I suppose.

the hate mails getting a bit of a backlash now

gove and IDS may be to petty/ scared to condemn the article

but the bandwaggons getting busier

Nick Clegg says “if anyone excels in denigrating and vilifying much of modern Britain it is the Daily Mail

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/oct/03/daily-mail-ralph-miliband-francis-maude

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3884755.ece

Ed seems to have emboldened people to speak out against it

How is it that the DM manage to get away with what would get us done for incitement or hatemongering?

Eh?

I’m sure that if we were to post on social media what the DM prints, we’e have our collars felt in short order.

As for Clegg, he can say what he likes. It’s the Litle Man expressing the public disquiet about that hate rag. But I’m sure you’ll find the tory arm up that little puppet; and once the fuss has died down it’ll be business as usual for Der Sturhmer.

a daily mail ‘reporter’ gatecrashed his uncles memorial service
http://news.sky.com/story/1149750/miliband-complains-to-mail-boss-over-reporter

and according to twitter Co-Op, Morrisons, Waitrose and Sainsburys have pulled advertising 🙂

The worst thing about all this is that not only did I agree with Alistair Campbell (‘[the mail is]the worst of British values posing as the best’) but now Frances Maude as well!

Thankfully the horrible rightwing troll Paul Staines’s smug support for the mail has reassured me that I’m not on the switch.

more malcolm tucker I say

http://www.change.org/petitions/debate-with-me-or-a-professional-broadcast-interviewer-on-tv-the-attack-on-ed-miliband-s-father-and-the-role-of-the-daily-mail-in-the-uk-s-national-debate#

oh look; from twitter:

Understand Mail on Sunday to apologise to Ed Miliband. Lord Rothermere will be writing to him. Editor calling him. Staff suspended.

…and after the fuss has died down the normal hateful service will be resumed.

im loving the fact that sainsburys, morrisons, currys etc are getting their twitter feeds spammed with litterally hundreds of daily mail tweets a minute off the back of this page

http://politicalscrapbook.net/virals/daily-mail-boycott/

Dunno if this has been linked to yet, but it’s much better than you lot
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-internet-vs-the-daily-mail

ninfan – Member
Its interesting to consider that the strongest critic of Ed’s campaign on the Left would probably be his own father

I’m more amused that no-one has picked up that an avowed marxist’s sons are millionaire’s on the back of inheriting the property he bought and smart use of tax avoidance schemes

I quite like that the BBC are using 2 pages of Michael Gove as the lone voice defending the Mail on this

big_n_daft – Member
I’m more amused that no-one has picked up that an avowed marxist’s sons are millionaire’s on the back of inheriting the property he bought and smart use of tax avoidance schemes

I does completely belie the idea that ed is any sort of marxist

big_n_daft – Member

I’m more amused ……

I’ll tell you what I’m amused by big and daft, the seemingly endless stream of very senior Tory politicians who are prepared to very publicly defend the honour of a deceased Marxist academic 🙂

The best so far imo is from that former Thatcherite Tory cabinet minister John Moore :

Thatcher ally accuses Daily Mail of ‘telling lies’ about Ralph Miliband

Praising Miliband as a “great academic” and an inspiring teacher, Moore said: “Ralph Miliband taught me and I can say he was one of the most inspiring and objective teachers I had. Of course, we had different political opinions but he never treated me with anything less than complete courtesy and I had profound respect for his integrity.”

In a statement issued to the Press Association Moore added: “He had come here as a refugee, done his duty to his adopted country by serving in our Royal Navy during the war, become a great academic and raised a good family.

“I saw him week after week and it beggars belief that the Daily Mail can accuse him of lacking patriotism. I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain – our country.

“The Daily Mail is telling lies about a good man who I knew. The people of this country are good and decent too. They do not want the Daily Mail attacking the dead relatives of politicians to make political points.”

The real irony of all this is that senior Tory politicians see the Daily Mail’s hatchet job as offending that most British of characteristics, the British sense of “fair play”.

The country which gave the world the Queensberry Rules doesn’t like below the belt blows – by all means fight, but fight clean, even in a system which is based on intense adversarial politics.

This latest shameful episode, in the Daily Mail’s long shameful history, shows just how unBritish the Daily Mail really is.

What do you reckon big and daft ?

I’m more amused that no-one has picked up that an avowed marxist’s sons are millionaire’s on the back of inheriting the property he bought and smart use of tax avoidance schemes

Why’s that amusing? Ed’s not a marxist, after all. Or are you suggesting his dad should’ve left it all to charity or something? Which could be a fair point.

so you are surprised that ed’s politics are not like his marxist dads – quick tell the daily mail as they seem to think they are both marxists and a danger to the country

Any views on what the DM did seeing as that is what the thread is about?
Its amusing you seem to be criticising the left for not commenting whilst not commenting on the actual issue and throwing in a diversionary point that weakens the case of the DM

I’m more amused that no-one has picked up that an avowed marxist’s sons are millionaire’s on the back of inheriting the property he bought and smart use of tax avoidance schemes

Yes, indeed! It really shows the rigor of Marxist economic analysis of the accumulation of capital.

So who saw qiuestion time last night ? Quentin Letts just kept digging , was enjoyable seeing the mail booed by the audience

I liked the gale of dismissive laughter when the audience member decrying socialism admitted to being in UKIP 🙂

It was a weird QT last night. Two politicians that I normally dislike intensely Cooper and Schapps were not a bad as normal although Schapps tried hard. QL dealt with the indefensible in a reasonable way IMO but also reverted to type as the program went on. But he did make the good point about DD’s bias which was worth making. And the bloke from the Huffington Post played the slightly “angry man” role quite well. But the level of debate was pretty poor.

The UKIP fellow in the audience was a beauty!!!!!

DD?

felt a bit sorry for the ranty old man in the audience, he was a ukiper tho

shapps was as wet as usual imho

it was an odd show, the lefties were keen not to gloat too much (still scared of the mail maybe?) and the righties? knew they were in a tough spot as they had to defend milliband or risk looking like…well quentin letts

mehdi hassan had obviously prepared his little daily mail speeches well and he seemed to shine though perhaps only because the panel was so stilted

the oddest thing about it all was that weird bulge under grant shapps eye

DD?

I’d love to see Deadly on QT. 😀