"Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

Anyone on here heard of Enoch Powell BTW?

The bloke most misquoted by people trying to prove erroneous (and different) points – that one?

Tom , I was going to disagree with the “what pisses me off…” (for optimistic reasons) but looks like you may be right 🙁

Junkyard so to worry about immigration and the future makes anyone narrow minded and a racist?

Junkyard so to worry about immigration and the future makes anyone narrow minded and a racist?

Its the (weak) tactic most frequently used to stifle debate on the issue.

…or calling him a racist could be just he sort response that has resulted in legitimate concerns remaining unanswered and develop into larger problems than they need be.

Junky, I would like to like you but you are like a half wit six former with too much time on his hands.

The bloke most misquoted by people trying to prove erroneous (and different) points – that one?

Some good reading on that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/1968/riversofblood.shtml

Well this is depressing reading

Hora – do you not think that “immigrants are clogging up our public services” are far worse attempts to stifle debate? Orr immigrants are taking our (sic) jobs and depressing our pay? All nonsense.

You have to take your hat off the GO for one thing as he quashed T May’s bllx about sending foreign students back at source.

Power play for the leadership as well THM?
But yes well played GO

To worry about immigration and the future makes anyone narrow minded and a racist?

Who said that ?

As for stifle debate

What of him? Tell me more

So do feel free to explain your views

Junky, I would like to like you but you are like a half wit six former with too much time on his hands.

That is probably helpful to the debate innit.

Unfortunatly the half wit six formers are all you entitleist, reactionary, poorly edumacted morons, who think kicking butt is the answer. Can’t you see kicking butt is what causes the problems in the first place. Humans honestly. We are going to self destruct if you lot can’t stop being selfish big mouthed bastards.

Team hurt more that’s a naive argument. I pay taxes as do other 2nd and generations within my wider family. We all are British. However there are many other factors and pressures. False blame. Resentment etc all being levelled due to unchecked immigration. Wheres the quality? Wehy aren’t we now cherry picking our new immigrants? You’ll comeback with a thousand arguments why I’m wrong but you won’t have a solution

Well done, so do I. How is that related to my previous point. I assume that your a well aware of the breakdown of immigration patterns into the Uk and how that affects overall tax revenues (and wages)?

Well this is depressing reading

Not as depressing as reading about cartoonists being murdered by religious dickheads.

Enoch wasn’t right on all counts but he had a point & my Dad loved him. My Dad who fought in WW2 for what we have now, that Dad. He’ll be turning in his grave now that’s for sure.

Junkyard so to worry about immigration and the future makes anyone narrow minded and a racist?

It would appear so in Junky’s world. I’m obviously a racist then, anyone else?

Nope I don’t worry about immigration, I worry about nasty ideas being allowed into our society because there designated a religion.

Most of the arguing above is like two bald men fighting over a comb.
All you bring to the table is problems, you don’t have any solutions and little, or no, empathy.

This thread should be closed so you can withdraw to the bathroom to get rid of some testosterone.

@ninfan, yes indeed, very scary times. France has the largest Muslim population in Europe. Things are going to be very very tense.

I stopped reading the post after that. So sorry if it has already been answered, but the situation isn’t going to change. This isn’t the first time France as been targeted by acts of terrorism (the latest in mind is the killing in the Jewish school) and it won’t change anything as usual. Obvioulsy some fools are going to vote LePen, but I am pretty damn sure that this shooting will do less for the FN than the success less politics of both the latest UMP and PS government.

hora – Member
Wehy aren’t we now cherry picking our new immigrants?

Because we don’t need to.

You’ll comeback with a thousand arguments why I’m wrong

No it’s very simple. The vast majority of immigrants are young economically active people looking for and getting work. They have a positive impact on the economy – growth and wages, yes wages.

but you won’t have a solution

Yes I do. Stick to facts not UKIP BS. You only need a solution if there is a problem. And most immigration stuff is little more than ill-informed scaremongering.

Of course he can say that. I, along with almost any other sane person, think he’s wrong, but he can say it.

Who the hell is he anyway. And you’re far from being a sane person, you riding a fraking specialized

Ta mere!

😉

Tout va bien, mon vieux?

tut tut it’s mère with the accent, I am ok, still not rich, but then I choose the bike industry.

I know, just couldn’t be bothered to find it on the tablet keyboard!

I was listening to an interview with Steve Bell, the Grauniad cartoonist on the way home.

I can’t remember his exact words, but I’m pretty sure he described this extremism as an ‘exhibitionist death cult’. Very good definition.

Vile people doing vile things and getting off on it. Dressing it up a religious fervour, or whatever.

It defies categorization unless you realise it is just perversion, plain and simple, with a post hoc ‘justification’.

Vile people doing vile things and getting off on it. Dressing it up a religious fervour, or whatever.

Agreed. Sadly, I suspect that for many young men, they also get a kick out of dressing up like something out of Call of Duty and going bang bang with a gun, innit, bro?

No reset button in reality. 🙁

For a total change what THM says , perhaps the only issue we will agree on.

Essel I still did not say that.

Is the new passive aggressive thing claiming someone said you were a racist and then refusing to state your views because they stop you ? I ask you again to feel free to expand on your views.

Here are some stats to put some of the discussion into context:

40% of British Muslims want Sharia law
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

*cracks knuckles*

Well.

From the actual poll results (http://www.icmunlimited.com/pdfs/2006_february_sunday_telegraph_muslims_poll.pdf) we can see that whilst your facts are correct the questions have been grossly misrepresented. The questions asked, from a sample of 500 (just 0.0185% of the 2,706,066 people in England and Wales who identified as Muslim in the 2011 census), were:

Q.7 Irrespective of whether you think the London bombings were justified or not, do you personally have any sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried out the attacks?

and

Q.10 Would you support or oppose there being areas of Britain which are pre-dominantly Muslim and in which Sharia law is introduced?

Of course the article you linked to failed to link to some other questions asked (since they couldn’t be twisted to suit an agenda) such as:

Q.6 I would now like to read out some things that other people have said about issues that affect Muslims living in Britain today. For each one, please tell me whether you think it was or is right or wrong?

For Muslims to have bombed London on 7/7 and 21/7 (Wrong 91%)

Q.8 Do you think that most Muslims living in Britain are very loyal to this country, quite loyal, not very loyal or not loyal at all? (NET: Loyal 81%)

Q.9 How loyal do you personally feel towards Britain? (NET: Loyal 91%)

So really, if you’re too lazy or stupid to check the facts behind the figures then you’re no more intelligent than those you seek to disparage.

What I think is more interesting is the split of opinion – yes there are a worrying (if not necessarily surprising, for various reasons) number of those who are distinctly anti-West, but also that there are, in most cases, roughly as many who are opposed to the view.

Which is, again, complete and utter bullshit. Look at page 7 of the report you linked to and you’ll see that approval for US attacks on American civilians doesn’t even reach 10% besides in Jordan (11%) and Pakistan (24%). Even when the question is pointed towards the interviewees home turf the figures remain broadly the same (couple of % increase) for all territories.

You clearly either have reading issues or you’ll swallow any shit presented to you provided it has some “credible evidence” attached that you don’t bother reading or investigating.

What pisses me off the most is the anti-immigrant feeling that’s caused by this then extends to immigrants who are from entirely different backgrounds, like my wife for example, I think we need to find a damage limitation strategy/rhetoric that placates and limits the right to venting their frustrations on the Muslim world.

So really, what you’re saying is that your wife is fine (who is foreign so you’re not a racist) but you don’t like the people who pray funny? Are you this guy?

Enoch wasn’t right on all counts but he had a point & my Dad loved him. My Dad who fought in WW2 for what we have now, that Dad. He’ll be turning in his grave now that’s for sure.

Oh Jesus **** wept. I’m sure he would be if you’re supporting the baying mob who are more intent on persecuting an ideology than prosecuting those who undermine it. To make this clear; your dead dad, his political views and his military service has bugger all to do with this debate. You’re a big boy and can hold your own reasoned opinions without having to invoke daddy and his gallant career.

For Muslims to have bombed London on 7/7 and 21/7 (Wrong 91%)

Wow. So that’s only 9% or close to 1/3 million people who thought the bombings were “right” then. We can all sleep safer knowing that.

squirrelking – I really don’t think those quotes really help your argument.

40% of Muslims want some kind of self regulated Ghetto where a woman is a second class citizen?

9% didn’t think 7/7 was wrong!

FFS.

ignore history at ur peril, hence why im going to go and live very far away, in a cold place far away from all this crap.

No, it’s 9% of the 500 people surveyed, which is actually 0.00166% of the Muslim population of E&W. With no other info on the respondents who approved you cannot make any meaningful conjecture as to the real views. That % is well below any accepted margin for error so is statistically invalid.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

squirrelking – Member
*cracks knuckles

You just have to slip in an attack on your political opponents don’t you.

Until Mr Farage carries an AK47 and sprays everyone with projectiles, you presented yourself as a zombie maggot that is no different from the WWI commander that shoot their own army in the back.

This thread is about those shooters that murdered the newspaper publishers in cold blood and that is the best you can come up with by kicking a politician …

You could drop to the lowest of the low do you know?

😯 🙄

I should also add that more women (103 – 41%) approved of Sharia than men (97 – 39%).

I should also add that more women (103 – 41%) approved of Sharia than men (97 – 39%).

Really?

Did they get to complete their own confidential survey forms?

40% of Muslims want some kind of self regulated Ghetto where a woman is a second class citizen

really was the the question asked or your interpretation of the answer?

FWIW the actual figures were 1 % 30,000 thought it was right @ Q 6
http://www.icmunlimited.com/pdfs/2006_february_sunday_telegraph_muslims_poll.pdf
PAGE 6 read it you quoted the wring figure.

Just5minutes you might want to take the radical step of reading the report the figure for thinking the bombing was right is 1%. Muslims are capable of neuanced responses who would of thought ?

No, I didn’t have to put that in I just thought it was an appropriate (and admittedly amusing) parallel.

At least I’m attempting to hold an intelligent debate.

Back at you though, can you actually discuss anything without bringing up “zombie maggots”, “muslamics” or your worrying gun fetish?

Junkyard & crankboy – yup, my bad I should have remembered I need to spoon feed everyone. As you said just 1% (4 whole people) said it was right whilst the remaining % refused to answer or didn’t know.

As I said. Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.

Its the (weak) tactic most frequently used to stifle debate on the issue.

Crying political correctness gone mad is the weak tactic most frequently used by bigots to try and claim that they aren’t allowed to be bigots.

But you can rest easy, it’s perfectly fine to be a bigot these days – we can see that quite clearly on here and in our national media.

really was the the question asked or your interpretation of the answer?

areas of Britain which are pre-dominantly Muslim

If a predominately Muslim area was subject to Sharia Law it would very quickly become only something that could be described as a ghetto.

a woman is a second class citizen

Junkyard – even a leftie hand wringer like you cannot possibly argue that a woman is equal to a man under Sharia? Please go ahead and try!

squirrelking – Member

No, I didn’t have to put that in I just thought it was an appropriate (and admittedly amusing) parallel.

At least I’m attempting to hold an intelligent debate.

Back at you though, can you actually discuss anything without bringing up “zombie maggots”, “muslamics” or your worrying gun fetish?

There is no parallel here as we are not discussing Powell Vs Farage etc. We are on the topic of those using AK47 … Do you see Powell and Farage using AK47?

Intelligent debate? More like twisted logic that is based on pure hatred of certain politicians. Are you so weak you cannot even handle Farage or the like?

Yes, perhaps I am too simple to express my views differently but am I wrong in my summing up of my views on those?

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im going to go and live very far away, in a cold place far away from all this crap.

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