More Tory Lies?

Again still surprised you are all so right wing that you are turning a blind eye to a tax avoiding foreigner having new found liberal tolerance to a pikey not paying tax ?

He doesn't avoid paying tax. He pays tax on his UK earnings, or perhaps you didn't read that bit…

He doesn't pay tax in this country on his overseas earnings because he is not classed as a "resident", or perhaps you didn't read that bit either…

I don't think I did say that – I did say he had no formal policy role (which I think would be inappropriate) but has a role in the party machine as described in your post and on his website. I just don't see the difference between a non dom Labour peer donor, the use of foreign strategists and Ashcroft. Both parties are in a similar positions, Lord Paul's money or one of their foreign strategists could win the election for Labour, who knows? I just don't see a big difference between the parties on this.

Mr W – domiciled actually.

Mr W – I thought you were either UK resident or non-UK resident for tax purposes; so you pay the tax on your earnings in your country of residence. Let me guess now his UK earnings were pennies whilst his non-UK earnings were millions ❗

Or at least that's what the IR (in the US and UK) told me.

Thank you junkyard. I just don't need to shout about labour wrongdooings as there are plenty on here to do so

mefty – Member

………… I just don't see the difference between a non dom Labour peer donor, the use of foreign strategists and Ashcroft. Both parties are in a similar positions, Lord Paul's money or one of their foreign strategists could win the election for Labour, who knows? I just don't see a big difference between the parties on this.

The difference is the deceit. I am amazed you cannot see this nor the huge influence Ashcroft has. Non so blind as those that cannot see?

Source? Link?

I'll bet that there isn't a single comrade or fellow-traveller on here who is moaning and bitching about Ashcroft that pays as much tax as he does in the UK.

If you want to whine about him – post up how much income tax and NI YOU paid last year.

I bet there's plenty who pay a higher percentage of their income though.

FFS, so a politician lied; is it news?
weapons of mass destruction, anyone?

what deceit TJ? – come on, you're really labouring whatever point it is you're trying to get across.

You have Labour non-doms donating more than Ashcroft.
You have Labour non-dom donors actively lobbying the incumbent government for favour
yet you are trying to make out that there's something utterly heinous in the vice chairman (the money and admin man) of a political party only paying tax on his UK earnings rather than his international income. he has not broken the law but you seem to think that by screeching loud enough that he really has. If you cant accept that he's done nothing illegal, than at least be honest and confess that you're upset simply because he's bank rolling the tory machine and that youve misread his statements on his tax status rather than this faux outrage at some imagined evilness.

He doesn't avoid paying tax. He pays tax on his UK earnings, or perhaps you didn't read that bit…
He doesn't pay tax in this country on his overseas earnings because he is not classed as a "resident", or perhaps you didn't read that bit either

Yes I think we all understand what non dom means. However if he delcared everything here he would be worse off therefore he is clearly AVOIDING tax. Do you think his very expensive accountants went to all that trouble and it did not help him avoid paying any tax …he is not as dumb as you.

No need ot suggest I am not reading iwhen in realoity you are not thinking.
Clearly he avoids tax what other motive is there at work here?

stoner +1

>clearly AVOIDING tax

Legally, as thousands of people do in this country.

I avoid tax by receiving an allowance for the miles I cycle in the course of my business. Am I to be strung up next to Lord A?

Junkyard- please call up the inland revenue and ask them if tax avoidance is illegal.

I also avoided tax by taking part in the C2W scheme and now have a nice bike paid for tax free 🙂

I dont know how you can live with yourself allthepies.

Think of all those nurses in scotland that are facing a pay cut in light of your seflish tax planning.

Stoner +2.

Stoner – Member

what deceit TJ? – come on, you're really labouring whatever point it is you're trying to get across.

come on – are you that thick? This is the two main planks of deceit

He said he would be domiciled and pay tax in the UK – he has not and it took an investigation by the information commissioner ( which he attempted to thwart) to find this out. Yes there may be weasel words to get him off on a technicality but clearly he mislead not only the parliament but also his own party and the public at large

He uses a shell company to donate to the tory party. Under investigation at the moment (that he is also trying to block) This company has published reports showing only one client and £300 000 of income but has donated £5 000 000 to the tories.

Then you should look at his corruption in Belieze.

I must say I have never noticed any Tory bias on stw.

TJ – Guess what? Source? Link?

http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/b-liar.htm

“The Treasury dropped plans to increase tax on private equity just days before two of the industry's richest tycoons made donations to Labour worth £1.25m.

In the run-up to last December's budget statement, ministers ordered officials to draw up proposals to end the special low tax enjoyed by venture capitalists.

However, according to Treasury insiders, hostility to the plan from No 10 meant that the private equity sector escaped any tax rises.

The pre-budget report of the Chancellor, Alistair Darling, on December 9 also exempted private equity bosses from the bonus tax imposed on other highly paid City workers.

Nine days later on December 18, Nigel Doughty, the chairman of the private equity giant Doughty Hanson and owner of Nottingham Forest Football Club, who has an estimated fortune of £119m, gave £1m to Labour.

On December 23 the venture capitalist Sir Ronald Cohen, whose fortune is estimated at £220m, donated £250,000 to Labour.”

Sunday Times, 28 February, Main Section, top of page 13.

Some questions I'd like answers to

Ashcroft admits he has non-dom staus, on what grounds was it granted?

How can a British citizen who claims to be a permanent resident have this status?

When did he become a non-dom?

Why has it taken so long to confirm his status?

Did "callmedave" know about Ashcrofts status?

Is the firms that channels Ashcroft's money really British?

Will he relinquish his non-dom status

How can a member of the House of Lords be Belize's Permanent representative to the UN?

I'll think of some more.

It stinks, but then money and politics always does, no matter what colour…

…..clearly he mislead not only the parliament but also his own party and the public at large…..

So what's new in politics 🙄

I agree with Stoner's remark on "faux outrage" – what is the scandal here, a rich successful capitalist uses the system (of which we all enjoy some benefit) to become even richer and more successful !

To be honest it doesn't worry me a fig and I'm sure it will have exactly zero impact on my day-to-day life……

He said he would be domiciled … in the UK

No he didnt. What he actually said was: "take up permanent residence in the UK again" – which would automatically entail him paying tax on his UK income.

and pay tax in the UK

and so he does on his UK earnings.

You still havent furnished us with a source or link to illustrate your shouty belief that he proimised to pay tax on all his international income in prior to sitting in the Lords.

Mefty – as I have told you already there is no point in me spending time searching sources as it is clear you will never be satisfied. Its all out there in the public domain.

Stoner – he, Hague and Cameron all clearly intended us to believe he was ordinarily domiciled here and was paying full UK tax. Not that he was non dom status.

This is where the deceit lies.

Check the various statements over the decade this has been brewing and the reluctance to come clean.

FAIL

Ashcroft admits he has non-dom staus, on what grounds was it granted?

How can a British citizen who claims to be a permanent resident have this status?

Essentially, non-domiciled individuals, or ‘non-doms,’ are resident in the UK but have strong affiliations with another country where they were either born or their parents were born.

When did he become a non-dom?
Blind Rudolph

Why has it taken so long to confirm his status?
To avoid a ruckus. Oh look overhere, there's a ruckus! 😉

Did "callmedave" know about Ashcrofts status?
well d'uh! 🙄

Is the firms that channels Ashcroft's money really British?
Now thats the question. But Id be very surprised if his accountants/lawyers would drop the ball on that one.

Will he relinquish his non-dom status
In his latest statement he said that if laws were brought in banning non-doms from sitting in the Lords then he would relinquish the status

How can a member of the House of Lords be Belize's Permanent representative to the UN?
He quit the UN role when he went up to the Lords

Wasn't this all settled in 1936?

Every man is entitled if he can to arrange his affairs so that the tax attaching under the appropriate Acts is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure that result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax

Stoner – he, Hague and Cameron all clearly intended us to believe he was ordinarily domiciled here and was paying full UK tax.

No.
All those on the left were hoping that he would be publicly outed as a non-dom so they could let rip an anti-patriotic, tax-dodging rant when they managed to force the public disclosure of his private tax status. Everyone knew perfectly bloody well he was a non-dom. The faux outrage goes with the squeals of delight from the left for forcing it out in the open.

Mefty – as I have told you already there is no point in me spending time searching sources as it is clear you will never be satisfied. Its all out there in the public domain.

I think there's every point in your trotting off and putting a bit of effort into trying to find a statement from either Lord Aschroft or the Party that his intention was always to relinquish his non-dom status before sitting in the Lords: because you wont find one. And you just constantly repeating that it's true without any evidence still isnt cutting it.

In his latest statement he said that if laws were brought in banning non-doms from sitting in the Lords then he would relinquish the status

Hmmmm, how long will "callmedave" take to change the law here if he becomes PM, do we think?

Bearwood…That's where the bodies (if there are any) are going to be dug up…If the Electoral commission decide it's not trading in the UK, then the Cons have to give the money back…

Actually, is it any different to what this blokes been doing for the past thirty years TJ?

I don't see you calling for him to be expelled from your local ruling party, and who gave him a knighthood? Oh, yeah, your mate Tony…

Cranberry I have not said that tax avoidance was illegal I know the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
I have questioned the morality though of someone influencing the election here and being a high ranking member of a political party when they do not actually live here or pay all/the majority of their tax here. I would prefer my politicians, whatever their hue, to actually live in this country and pay all their tax here.
It is off course illegal for a foreign national to give money to parties hence why he used his comapny to do this

No what he actually said was he would become a permanent resident but managed to somehow get permanent resident defined as long term residentof the UK.
He has agreed to take up permanent residence AGAIN but in the sense we all assume it means- live and pay tax in the UK as Dave will make him.

are resident in the UK but have strong affiliations with another country where they were either born or their parents were born

Exactly my objection he essentially claims his first affinity is to another country but wants to influence the result here. Surely treason ❓ to either us or Belize take your pick 😆

Junkyard,want to bet that move will never appear if Dave does not win the election.

TJ – So in other words you can't. You don't exactly wield the sword of truth more the dirk of a backstabber.

Stoner – get a grip – of course he intended to mislead. I have been following this since 2000 and it is very clear.

You are so partisan and blind that you will not see it. Its been clear for a decade that we were supposed to believe he was ordinarily domiciled in the UK and that he paid full UK taxes

Loads and loads of statements that while maybe allowing him wriggle room were clearly intended to make us believe he would not be a non dom and that is why he was so reluctant to let it out he was a non dom.

Google finds you loads of examples quoted in the Tory press as well

For example

Lord Ashcroft disclosed that he negotiated the previously unknown deal within months of telling William Hague, then the Tory leader, that he would take up permanent residence in the UK. At the time Mr Hague said that the decision would “benefit the Treasury tens of millions a year in tax”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7046038.ece

There can be no misunderstanding about the context of Lord Ashcroft’s promise. His memoirs are dominated by his frustration at being blocked for a peerage because he was a “tax exile”. The natural and ordinary meaning of his memorandum is that he was coming home to pay taxes. It is odd that he has now come clean.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7046012.ece

i think you lot all owe TJ an apology