Mojo – no longer responsible for Fox

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Also apologies tom having read your suspension threads not really bothered about your experience it’s all to contradicted.

Fox will do well, most people had no idea who mojo were.

Depends, I guess that would come down to how much Sram are willing to pay people to offend Fox. 😛

Still, on a serious note – the move seems completely daft.

5 pages in, and I’ve only seen one ‘bad’ report of mojo’s service, I think that says it all

its not as simple as just hiring a couple of fox techs in another factory, fox are huge in the uk, absolutely huge, mojo had the warranty/supply/turnaround down to a tee, but only from years and years and years of experience, it came from a single guy that built it up from scratch, not some fatcat that puts a few tech guys into a factory….

the reason mojo are so well regarded, and why fox is a hugely successful brand in the uk is………MOJO, simple as that for me

I like the feel of sram forks, I hate the service/warranty procedure, its shit, and every other fork brand seems to be similar, but not mojo/fox, its a warranty job, you have your forks/shocks back in 3 days, even in busier times in summer its still only 5, and they make priority of warranty

regardless of what sort of person CPorter maybe, he ran a bloody good ship at mojo, and that’s why its come as such a shock

surprised no ones mentioned brexit mind yet 🙂

Will Fox move it back in-house like they did in Germany?

Tom_W1987 – Member
Still, on a serious note – the move seems completely daft.

and it will continue to do so until we find out what’s actually happened (if we ever do), could be a million reasons for the move

Surprised to hear about the end of this tie up – as has already been mentioned, Mojo and Fox are one and the same in the UK.

Mojo have always been good when I’ve dealt with them in the past – hopefully this won’t affect the guys working there too much. If they diversify to take on other brands though they’ll be competing against what is now a pretty busy market (TFT, J tech, South Coast etc).

It’s a brave move from Fox especially given the amount of OE stuff they supply.

It’ll be interesting to hear who initiated the split and why.

a fair few cost synergies to strip out

What?

Wrote one thing, changed to another without deleting. Should have ended with ‘fair few cost synergies’ but point taken re the efficiency of the Mojo structure.

Whilst it’s good to see so much support voiced for mojo I’m not sure i get the “grrr fox” tone to so many posts. Reading milky’s post (no more concrete than any other but at least based on “they said this” rather than i think) it sounds like a business in trouble rather than one screwed by suppliers.

Basically it’s happened quickly. They feared the end was coming (I think someone mentioned it was in the last week or two) but they had made no announcement as they thought they had time to fulfil current orders and get an alternative business going

(and most of the rest of that paragraph) could be taken straight from the “sorry but our business is going to the wall” handbook. I hope it’s not if only for the sake of the staff but pointing the finger at fox doing the dirty seems very unfair at this point.

The geometron project can’t have been cheap and it certainly wouldn’t be the first time a vanity project has had serious repercussions for a business.

It would also fit with no contingency from fox, poor stock availability over previous period and, if mojo are that sort of (staff focused) business, liquidate stock and pay staff before the bank comes in.

Again all complete conjecture but seems at least as likely as fox screwing them.

I really do hope I’m wrong but taking aim at fox seems unfair at this point.

It was more like they knew the contract was up for renewal and it hadn’t been confirmed yet, standard business practice.

Mojo is a solid business with enough cashflow for Chris Porter to fund his other projects like the Geomotron, which is now a separate business along with their mudguard. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if Mojo was in financial trouble. My money is on Fox pulling the plug with very little notice and no handover plan.

I really do hope I’m wrong but taking aim at fox seems unfair at this point.

Honestly, all there is to go on today is rumours, some inferences and a lot of speculation and all of that is one-sided, based on what we’ve seen from Mojo. I think I might just hold fire and wait to see what happens and what is said from both sides in the coming days before I make any more judgement here.

OOI, has anyone who placed an order yesterday received a dispatch confirmation yet? I appreciate that Mojo probably have a massive backlog to deal with and some probably not-very-motivated staff to deal with it, but I’ll be interested to see if all of the orders get fulfilled.

milky1980 – MemberMojo is a solid business with enough cashflow for Chris Porter to fund his other projects like the Geomotron, which is now a separate business along with their mudguard. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if Mojo was in financial trouble. My money is on Fox pulling the plug with very little notice and no handover plan.

You have access to their books? Or is that pure conjecture? Wouldn’t be the first time that an apparently successful company has gone down the tubes

Can’t see the Geometron project having bankrupted Mojo, assuming they get Fox suspension units at a very good price and Nicolai are handling the framebuilding. Not to mention they cost a lot of money and seem to be selling well.

However… could Trek have been griping about the UK Fox distro effectively setting up a rival bike company?

Interesting rumour point chakaping, a company like Ohlins that works with everyone (in the motor industry) if they are willing to pay them (as opposed to sponsoring teams themselves, Ohlins does not sponsor teams apparently – preferring to let their reputation bring in money) – seems like it would be a better fit for the Geometron.

chakaping – Member
However… could Trek have been griping about the UK Fox distro effectively setting up a rival bike company?

Nope. Geometron is not a rival to the likes of Trek

To be honest, I’d like to see mountain bikers start choosing smaller brands making goods that have longer lifespans. Eg Hope brakes, the 11-6 shock and it’s ability to be altered in length for different bikes and be upgraded with new internals, modular forks whereby improvements are backwards compatible – all things that I’d rather pay good money for, rather than changes in hub standards every year.

Whilst it would be a nice idea, the practicalities of it just arn’t there. £1150 for a shock? I don’t care how good it is (not actually noticeably better than a DHX2 IME), it’s £1150 quid. It might be able to be altered in length (as is the DHX2 to a degree) but TF want an extra £300 off for the privilege. It’s joke numbers.

Oh, and my Hope brakes were sh*t in comparison to my Guides 😆

OOI, has anyone who placed an order yesterday received a dispatch confirmation yet? I appreciate that Mojo probably have a massive backlog to deal with and some probably not-very-motivated staff to deal with it, but I’ll be interested to see if all of the orders get fulfilled.

Nope. Money is showing as a pending transaction on cc though. Had confirmation of order email.

Nope. Geometron is not a rival to the likes of Trek

One of the proud new Geometron owners on the mammoth thread was previously going to buy a Trek, if memory serves.

chakaping – Member
One of the proud new Geometron owners on the mammoth thread was previously going to buy a Trek, if memory serves.

Treks range and throughput is a little larger than a handful of high-end enduro bikes

Whilst it would be a nice idea, the practicalities of it just arn’t there. £1150 for a shock? I don’t care how good it is (not actually noticeably better than a DHX2 IME), it’s £1150 quid. It might be able to be altered in length (as is the DHX2 to a degree) but TF want an extra £300 off for the privilege. It’s joke numbers.

DHX2 – 640 quid plus 137 SLS spring – if I wanted to swap from my 200×57 shock I’d have to sell it for around 350 quid. Losing myself roughly 450, the initial outlay is more – but I disagree with the cost of altering the length. Once you hit Fox prices, it’s actually cheaper than selling and buying one again in a different length. It makes sense if you time your frame swap with a shock serviced as well – as it gets service in the process.

As for Guides vs Hope, whatevs! 😀 Hope are great!

I’d really in a perfect world… rather pay a bit more, cut down on quickly obsoleted crap and employ more people closer to home in small industries where the workers aren’t treated like shit. I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d even rather cut down to one hobby and cut down on booze etc – to make sure that I can do that.

Nope. Money is showing as a pending transaction on cc though. Had confirmation of order email.

Same on my card, it showing as a pending transaction so all looks like it’s going through. I ordered over the phone, and the chap said there will also be a DPD notification once it’s shipped. Once the DPD notice come through then I’ll be a lot more certain is all OK. (Oddly it’s a touch cheaper than expected as I also ordered bushes, hardware and the £20 labour charge to change the travel on an X2 – but then a quick calculation/guestimate could mean that the extras have gone through around cost price too).

DHX2 – 640 quid plus 137 SLS spring – if I wanted to swap from my 200×57 shock I’d have to sell it for around 350 quid. Losing myself roughly 450, the initial outlay is more – but I disagree with the cost of altering the length. Once you hit Fox prices, it’s actually cheaper than selling and buying one again in a different length.

It’s a fairly moot point – as who buys something like a DHX2 new – as you say, you can pick them up for ~£300 second hand if you’re patient. Which just widens the gap even further – the performance is borderline identical, you’re just paying nearly 4 times the price for the privilege of it saying PUSH on the side – as the chances of finding a second hand 11-6 are slim.

The cost to covert the size is correct – was quoted by TF. That was to change a 215×63 shock to a metric 210×55.

As for Guides vs Hope, whatevs! Hope are great!

Well my Hopes lasted 3 months in Whistler. At that point it was a full refurb time. My Guides have been ridden over more vertical & distance over the last 18 months & haven’t been touched, other than a couple of bleeds & sets of pads. More powerful than the Race E4’s, the levers don’t rattle & they play better with shifters & droppers.

no handover plan

Pulling the plug with no continuity on Fox’s part would be colossally stupid. If fox have continuity you’d have expected an “it’s all in hand watch this space” holding statement at least.

Cp pulling the plug on a major part of his business the instant fox talk to someone else would be colossaly stupid. To be far enough down the line to pull the plug a new distributor would be a fait accompli, see above.

For fox to have nothing in place suggests they didn’t see it coming. Fox is now run by investment companies, they may know nothing about suspension or bike components in general but they definitely aren’t dumb about how to make money. No ability to distribute is the sort of problem a 5year old selling lemonade wouldn’t bring on them selves. Getting a consensus it’s a sensible move from an investment group? I don’t see it.

For this to be anything other than forced just doesn’t stack for me, it requires too many people to have been too stupid.

Re trek, i wonder who owns the tech for building those silly proprietary shocks of theirs? Call Fox’s bluff over the UK resale, service and warranty market and risk no stock for x months whilst rs tool up? Not likely, trek would loose more in a week of down time moving the tools even if they do own them than that market is likely to be worth in a year.

Hi,

I ordered my transfer post yesterday 2:30 pm (ish). It was delivered by courier this morning just after 9am. I’m, only 30 mins from Mojo though.

Cheers

There’s your problem, the Race levers were great….6 years ago….but the Tech 3 levers are better these days. More power, more oil in the reservoir for dealing with heat… Enduro mags dyno tests put your guides behind the Tech 3’s in terms of stopping power btw.

We’ve got a 13 year old set of Hope minis that still work great, having only ever been bled. They must have got 10s of thousands of miles on them by now.

So Fox and Mojo are both selling trousers now?

Re trek, i wonder who owns the tech for building those silly proprietary shocks of theirs?

Penske. Who I assume, will happily license their designs to all but a direct motorsports competitor such as Ohlins.

I ordered my transfer post yesterday 2:30 pm (ish). It was delivered by courier this morning just after 9am. I’m, only 30 mins from Mojo though.

Wow! Did you get a dispatch notice?

jwt – Member
So Fox and Mojo are both selling trousers now?

mo(j)le skin ones?

Hmm, a pic of a stack of Fox boxes has just appeared on TF Tuned instagram…

It was on the story thing at the top!

Oooh….the rumour deepens.

RE: Trek

Do these rumours that “Trek done it” any facts on offer, over and above the fact that Fox UK Tech share some workshop space with Trek?

HI,

I got no dispatch note. Just an email from Mojo yesterday saying thanks for your order etc.
It was DPD who delivered it though.

I was surprised by the fast delivery, its just luck I was in. I was expecting thur/Fri delivery if I’m honest.

Cheers

Got links for the TF tuned photos?

Hmm, a pic of a stack of Fox boxes has just appeared on TF Tuned instagram…

that would be quite handy, they could do my Lefty & Dyad at the same time!

Tom_W1987 – Member
Got links for the TF tuned photos?

Just had a look out of curiosity and can’t see anything 😕

Do these rumours that “Trek done it” any facts on offer, over and above the fact that Fox UK Tech share some workshop space with Trek?

No.

Hmm, a pic of a stack of Fox boxes has just appeared on TF Tuned instagram…

Not as far as I can see.

I can’t see it either, but who could blame them for stocking up at those prices anyway?

Hmm, a pic of a stack of Fox boxes has just appeared on TF Tuned instagram…

https://www.instagram.com/tftuned/

Where?

TFT pics just show lots of boxes of the PUSH coil conversion

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