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The thing that I find funny is that Man Utd have shorter odds for winning the title than Liverpool.
Too many injuries and pathetic attacking.
I hope the manager can turn it around.
Too many mediocre players.
You can say that they have too many mediocre players, but that's not far off the squad that won the league not all that long ago. I think it's more that nobody appreciated just how good Eck was before he retired.
Yeah.... Because Liverpool looked really convincing as title contenders last week. If they'd had their shooting boots on, it'd all have been over 5 minutes into the second half. City or chelski will tear them apart. As will no doubt be demonstrated tomorrow. Same as they will with united!
United look bloody awful! Worse than last season. I hardly thought it was possible. This new formation is a disaster! But don't let that blind you to how ropey Liverpool look at the back too. They'll get butchered in Europe!
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But don't let that blind you to how ropey Liverpool look at the back too.
Better than they looked last season.
They'll get butchered in Europe!
At least they're in Europe.
LOL @ allthepies
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Come on Utd - it ain't over till the fat guy sings!
Allegedly Di Maria is going to cost Man Utd £63.9m. I think they need to share that money around rather than spend it on one player.
At least they're in Europe.
It did take a while.
Woeful!
...For that money, or a bit more money, you could have got Gareth Bale, Toni Kroos, Cesc Fabregas and Filipe Luis. For the same level of money that they’ve spent you could have got those four players into that squad.
Transfer window ain't over yet, Binnnerz.
Plenty of time to a) strengthen, and b) [url= http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward ]have the owners take the piss some more.[/url]
...anyway, good to have so many ex-members back on the forum.
It's so odd, as I had high hopes after following their pre-season. Passing was crisp, one touch, pass.
Now it's very laboured and hopeless.
It's so odd, as I had high hopes after following their pre-season. Passing was crisp, one touch, pass.
Tell me about it, I put Ashley Young into my FF team on the basis of how he played pre-season. All he has done since then is have a bird shit in his mouth and dive.
Depressingly, I read that article Jamie. Just confirms what a lot of us have known for a long time. The glazers have ****ed the club! It's tragic! I can't believe what they've done is even legal. Buying Di Maria is just blind panic! I just can't see it making much difference. Not this season anyway.
[quote=Jamie said] All he has done since then is have a bird shit in his mouth
How much did that cost him ? 😯
Buying Di Maria for £60odd million is ridiculous. They dont need players of that level in that position, then need to buy some defenders.
How much did that cost him ?
The bird shit? I think it was on the house.
It's hardly the end of the world for man utd, especially when they are paying upwards of £60m for one player. Perhaps get a bit of perspective and look at what has happened to clubs like Coventry or even those that now no longer exist before you feel too sorry for yourself - no champions league? Diddums.
Perhaps get a bit of perspective and look at what has happened to clubs like Coventry or even those that now no longer exist before you feel too sorry for yourself - no champions league?
One can only dream.
I dunno, you'd have to say an away draw at Sunderland was a good result for a mid-table side. I say well done plucky Utd. Top result!!
Not a cat in hells chance of champions league next season. On this form we'll be lucky to finish top half of the table. We've a squad of players, a couple of whom could have any legitimate claim to playing champions league. And a lot who were never ever going to be good enough. But as long as the Glazers keep ripping the money out of the club, and the hedge fund managers keep receiving their extortionate interest payments.....
I dunno, you'd have to say an away draw at Sunderland was a good result for a mid-table side. I say well done plucky Utd. Top result!!
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To lighten the mood, this has probably been done to death, but tickled me (shame it's a fake Liam account)
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Though it may be an idea for Utd fans to organise a picket line at the local nandos to keep Luke out - the saints lads seem to live in their one.
We don't need Di Maria, we need Young, Fletcher and Cleverly to get injured. Maybe the others will pass to their replacements.
#softtouches
😆 at that gif Jamie!
£63.9m fee has been agreed for Di Maria.
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If that game is anything to go by, UTD do need a Di Maria type, someone with a bit of energy and a will to attack. They seemed way to slow to go forward and Rooney often resorting to starting a move from deep isn't great. After Di Maria is in and presuming Rojo doesn't get arrested they still need another defender and a central/defensive mid. Don't have to be world class bonkers expensive but solid and willing to work would be a good start.
Awww, didums Utd got pwoblems!
Have one of ours, FFS! -
Note to self: Visit FlamingoLand.
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They'll come good(ish) and finish 4th
Being from the NE this is one of those tough moral problems, I never like to see Sunderland get a point at all but it is Man U....
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I'm sure they will come good, probably and might do another manager swap when the fans get all grumpy again.
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All this talk of a record breaking transfer for the Argentinian Di Maria reminds me of that other record breaking Argentine Utd signed, a great player with trophies and success throughout the world..a flop in the premier at Man U though
I thought Utd had never spend any money on transfers and it was only City.
Amazing how the press have convinced people of this. Never a jot mentioned about the spending by Utd,Arse,Chelski and the horrendous amounts spent by liverpool over the last couple of seasons.
I for one hope Utd continue to be kak 😈
Things do look a bit bleak - shame considering the good pre-season they had.
Agree with comments re Clev, Failani and Young but I think Fletcher could be ok - don't forget how much football he's missed in recent seasons because of his illness.
Jones has had some ok games and now doesn't go to ground too quickly anymore.
I honestly don't think ute are too far off top4 (between man u and l'pool i think). Blind and de Jong would be great signings and I reckon would tip the top4 finish in our favour.
Blind and de Jong would be great signings and I reckon would tip the top4 finish in our favour.
which de jong? Got to be careful which one you get
Read that Man U are being told DiMaria will cost them £75 million. 😯
Fascinating to see Liverpool sell one troublesome, temperamental and difficult striker, and buy another troublesome, temperamental and difficult striker! 😀 But if Balotelli can finaly settle down, that could end up being one of the best signings of the season.
Fascinating to see Liverpool sell one troublesome, temperamental and difficult striker, and buy another troublesome, temperamental and difficult striker! But if Balotelli can finaly settle down, that could end up being one of the best signings of the season.
Will no doubt be better than their £35 million record breaking signing of Andy Carroll 🙂
£59.7m fee agreed. The mother of all panic buys! They need defenders! Where's he going to play if Van Gaal persists with 3 5 2? I can't see him as a wing back having to defend as well. United now the biggest spenders this summer with the tight arse Glazers spending £132m....times are hard for the world's greatest club.
Who are the biggest net spenders though? If Liverpool do offload Borini, then their net spend won't actually bee all that much, considering how many players they've bought. Man U do seem to be way ahead on net spend so far.
It seems to be more of a statement of intent that they can still compete with the likes of City (using overseas clubs to buy players and loan back at a loss to get round fair play) and Chelsea.
£59.7m fee agreed. The mother of all panic buys! They need defenders!
What @shortbread says.
Van Gaal the tactical genius, the Messaih. What are the odds he'll have a worse start than Moyles after 4 or 8 games ?
It seems to be more of a statement of intent that they can still compete with the likes of City (using overseas clubs to buy players and loan back at a loss to get round fair play) and Chelsea.
LOL, Lampard was signed on a free by New York, and City are paying his wages while he is at City, where he is unlikely to even make the bench unless there are quite a few injury problems. Some Utd fans have turned bitter very quickly indeed.
It also looks like the supposed FFP rules are being used to protect the positions of the established big clubs, otherwise it would be Uniteds financial position that should be bringing the greatest sanctions.
Who are the biggest net spenders though?
When fayns start bringing out the net spend stats, it's time for us all to go home 8)
£60 million! He's here!
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How much?!
Nah he's a great player and now sell Fletcher & Carrick!
Need a quality defender, one more winger and sell Rooney.
Utd are definitely paying the 'but you're not in Europe' tax. Di Maria is a great player but £20m overpriced
Utd are spending big because, I suspect, they're terrified the sponsors will run for the hills if they fail to get into the UCL next year. Their whole business model would collapse. I'm guessing they're spending next years transfer budget too.
Utd have spent ££ in recent years but Fergie was always obsessed with the £10-20m price bracket. The philosophy was to buy 23-27 year olds who could slot straight into the first team but also develop, and retain some resale value. Fergie never forgot the treatment he received at the AGM after he bought Veron. In fact I don't think he went to another AGM for several years! Next time he regained confidence and spent big was Berba....
Van Gaal shifted to a 3-5-2 because he didn’t have the players for 4-3-3, he’s said repeatedly that the squad is unbalanced (needs to get mata, rvp & Rooney in) and without the quality of wingers required (name checking Angel). I wouldn’t get too fixed on 3-5-2, as he’s also said they players know 4-3-3 and can revert back when required (pretty much every game so far…)
We have been dire so far but we are missing rafeal & shaw, the attacking wingbacks needed to make the current shape work, we also have evens & “rojo” out (relying on several reserve team players – we only have 3 “senior” cb’s 2 of which have spent the last coupla seasons playing anywhere but CB). Then the midfield (a weakpoint for ages) is missing carrick and herrea (would be first pick midfield), leaving cleverly (who played like a coward at the weekend) and Fletcher who is getting on and had a seriously debilitating illness (oh and Anderson… who will probably start tonight for 30mins before breaking down for 6 months again). It doesn’t matter how good the front end is (very slow in UTD’s case when welbeck isn’t there to run around like bambi on ice) if everything behind them is turd. The re-invention of young and valancia as wingbacks was a revelation in the USA, but both have gone back to their 1 trick pony ways (and even more of a coward in youngs case) as the PL knows them inside out.
It also looks like the supposed FFP rules are being used to protect the positions of the established big clubs, otherwise it would be Uniteds financial position that should be bringing the greatest sanctions.
I don’t understand this viewpoint – Utd bring in a massive self-built revenue and the wages paid are well within the allowed range of turnover (even more so as 4 senior players left at the end of last season – giggs, vidic, rio and evra, if they had stayed we would have struggled to comply with FFP and bring in a lot of new players – it’s not buying that’s tricky it’s paying wages), a leveraged buyout isn’t illegal, it’s a shit state of affairs (imagine how good Utd would be with the £700M to spend on players?) but it looks like finally the Glazers have gotten a handle on the interest payments and it’s down to something like £21M per year now, very manageable with the increased TV deal alone. Utd are on the NYSE and meet their financial requirements as a proper business, they have a massive income so can spend a lot on players and their wages and service the debt. If anything rivals should be ecstatic of the glazers stripping cash out and weakening utd’s buying power. If you want to punish clubs with debt that would be most in the PL (arsenal would have been knackered trying to buy their stadium, Chelsea’s interest free loan/share arrangement with abramovich (up to £726 million) is surely worse than Utd’s.
I do agree that the FFP rules does help to protect the position of the current big clubs (as well as stopping clubs spending beyond their abilities to maintain) and then there is a whole other argument of sugar daddies vs self built vs reckless spending to get into/stay in the PL.
a leveraged buyout isn’t illegal
Nor is any activity the FFP rules supposedly seek to redress, but it has evidently damaged the finances of one of the worlds richest clubs to a far larger degree than there is any evidence for the other activities that are being sanctioned.
FFP. ManU's setup is perfectly within the FFR rules, it's clubs like Chelsea and Man City who are just gifted money by their owners on a totally non-economic basis which are the problem. ManU's troubles are nothing to do with the Glaziers, they are wealthier now than they where 2-3 years ago. SAF sold the club a pup buy doing nothing to prepare the club for the future, he got the most out of the squad then headed for retirement.
I am sure Moyes regrets ever getting involved, if this continues Van Gaal is going to start getting some serious flak.
AF sold the club a pup buy doing nothing to prepare the club for the future, he got the most out of the squad then headed for retirement.I am sure Moyes regrets ever getting involved, if this continues Van Gaal is going to start getting some serious flak.
It was nothing short of a miracle that SAF won the league in his final season, the squad clearly needed refreshed. Why would SAF buy players when he knew someone else would want his own?
IMO the problems started when Moyes took over (not His fault though) and who ever is/was in charge of getting players failed to get the players he really needed.
ManU's setup is perfectly within the FFR rules, it's clubs like Chelsea and Man City who are just gifted money by their owners on a totally non-economic basis which are the problem.
Whooooooooosh!
*coughs*
*splutters*
When you have first division players chesting the ball past your keeper you know things aren't going well,moyes in 🙂
*faints*
Reserves aren't up to much eh. Just the double this year then.
Wasn't another first touch a la Aguero last night was it?
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Long live King Louis 🙂
Edit. Sorry. Already posted..
*splurts*
4-0!!!!!
That's FOUR!
Lol
I was a bit bored and stumbled on this game.......glad I did! 🙂
Concentrating on the league. .....
Don't think I've ever seen a top team so desperate for a couple of players who can actually defend,that guy just barged past three of them,crazy.
Didn't expect this tonight!
WTF!
😆
Hmm. With Giroud crocked for the rest of the year, Arsenal might want to recall Benik Afobe.
I thought that DDs post was photoshopped!
Ha Ha!!!
I think that most pundits predicted them in the top 4 some top 2. They may wish to rethink.
Last was great.
Utd are passing well in the last 10 minutes.
Interesting to see their reserve players coming through.
Reminds of when Italy dominated European footy tournaments.
Hope they win on the weekend.
[url= https://mediacru.sh/qOs5TJfaueE2 ]Grigg - 25' - 1-0[/url]
[url= https://mediacru.sh/n9isVIEZe99o ]Grigg - 63' - 2-0[/url]
[url= https://mediacru.sh/PJCsFGsc74yT ]Afobe - 70' - 3-0[/url]
[url= https://mediacru.sh/sAgxqTsywxdW ]Afobe - 84' - 4-0[/url]
Next on the list of interesting, unfamiliar new experiences: a relegation scrap?
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Signs of despair as Anderson attempts to describe the spherical object his team mates should be kicking.
Holy cr*p. Worse than watching England
Think that might have broken a few careers before they even started. Only Welbeck came out of it with some dignity
Just remember, Binners, no matter how tough it gets. Some things are just not worth trying to take the pain away...
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common sense prevents me commenting while the hammers are still playing....
**** me! 😯
anyway, like i was about to say
silly competition that.
common sense prevents me commenting while the hammers are still playing....
But we're used to being crap!
He'll be gone by Christmas - I bet Moyes is (rightly) pissing himself laughing.