machete attack in woolwich london (bbc news atm)

I find it extremely disrespectful of all the papers to have the pictures of the blood stained killers all over their front pages.

Upsetting to see some of the footage that the BBC feel is ok to show on the news.

I have tried to write my feelings on this and they all seem pathetic. No words can sort this.
Hug someone you love.

I find it extremely disrespectful of all the papers to have the pictures of the blood stained killers all over their front pages.

Not just disrespectful (can you imagine being a friend or relative of the lad whose blood they were covered in?) but giving the murders exactly the coverage they craved and were seeking.

Mrs Toast-

Because the Islamic religion is the common denominator in a couple of decades worth of terrorist attacks. With the terrorists quoting their religion as the reason.

Why not say “not in the name of this religion, it’s peaceful and violence is wrong” ?

So whilst its individuals that are carrying out these acts, they seem to be the easily influenced disaffected types often preyed on by shit stirring groups with religious or political ideology.

Deepest condolences to the family.

No idea what to say. Easy to blame muslim community, and for all the BNP/ EDL to jump on the bandwagon.
It’s never that easy though.
Difficult to preach tolerance in these circumstances.

…..giving the murders exactly the coverage they craved and were seeking.

Tomorrow’s Guardian front page has excelled in that respect by obligingly including the very words, boldly, which undoubtedly convey the killers central message : Link

RIP and thanks to the Met Police.

Because the Islamic religion is the common denominator in a couple of decades worth of terrorist attacks. With the terrorists quoting their religion as the reason.

Why not say “not in the name of this religion, it’s peaceful and violence is wrong” ?

Same can be said of Christianity though – there was that business with the IRA in Northern Ireland, and a good chunk of the US’s domestic terrorism is perpetrated by Christian groups. Generally you don’t get the Pope to the Archbishop condemning them, not because they agree with it but because its fairly obvious that the perpetrators aren’t following the mainstream religion.

Tomorrow’s Guardian front page has excelled in that respect by obligingly including the very words, boldly, which undoubtedly convey the killers central message

Whilst i would have preferred the image not to be on the front page I do expect newspapers to report the known facts in as great a detail as they are able to. Why would you not want to try and understand the motivation for committing such an apparently unprovoked and barbaric crime?

just because people are killed by christians doesnt mean they do it in the name of christianity.

Why would you not want to try and understand the motivation for committing such an apparently unprovoked and barbaric crime?

I don’t want “You people will never be safe” to be displayed from every newsstand in every shop, supermarket, garage, airport, etc, because it is precisely what the alleged killer wanted.

I can try to understand the motivation for committing such an apparently unprovoked and barbaric crime without the need for that.

Generally you don’t get the Pope to the Archbishop condemning them

I wish they would, all of them. Any hint that the crime was committed in the name of the religion, even if it is only in the warpedmind of some deranged individual, i would like to see them standing side by side and denounce it.

there are many nutcases in the world who use religion to justify there actions, however lets not loose sight of the fact that a young man has lost his life today in a most horrific way whilst walking down the street minding his own business and to to add to this the young man served our country and desrves the respect of all of us.and likewise the murderers need to face the heaviest punishment possible.lets not turn this into a debate about what religion has done what because lets face it its not a religious issue, thats just a front that people who hate life and freedom hide behind to spread fear. R.I.P young brittish artillery man.

Popes have repeatedly condemned violence. But don’t let that stop this descending into another STW anti-religion thread.

Not the intention on my part Ernie, this could be an opportunity to show their relevance and value.

IanW – Member

I do wish some top dog from this religion, not the council but actual senior clerics (pope esq, forgive my ignorance) would come out and condem violence in all form, say it was un Islamic etc and the perps would be going to hell.

There’s not really “heads of church” for islam in the way there are for christianity etc- you get senior representatives but there’s no pope analogue or even archbishop/similiar. Also it’s not a single monolithic faith, there’s sects much like with christianity so it’s a bit like expecting the Pope to speak out about the church of england or similiar. Not so simple, is the short answer.

RIP 🙁

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

Where to complain? Do we now see pics of murders with blood on them?

What if the victim was our own Mother or Brother- would you want to see this? What next? ‘Heres the body closeup’?

The BBC shouldn’t be this explicit. It should show a level of restraint/Decorum. The press reporting the (graphic) video can incite violence and distress.

It reporting not entertainment

Sensationalist reporting like this is just sickening. There’s a fine line between reporting the facts / truth and attempting to grab viewing numbers or sales with who can publish the most explicit material to attract morbid curiosity. There should have been a media blackout of some of the phone footage as it’s only benefiting the murderers and broadcasting their wishes. The number of ignorant racist comments on fb is just sad.. no doubt fuelled by the car crash reporting. My thoughts are with the poor murdered man’s family today.

The only people not allowed to wander the streets of our capital freely this weekend will be the boys and girls charged with defending it. I dispair at the state of the world we live in. The likes of the women confronting these low life’s and trying to help, not just gawping and taking pictures are reall heroes and reason for hope.

R.I.P

parkesie – Member

Well said sir

“I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same,” he said.

“You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you.”

Your land being where exactly, the mean streets of Sarf Larndon?

but in our land our women have to see the same

Sunni and Shia Muslims murdering each other?

truely barbaric acts by two insane animals…

any irony in the fact women being praised for helping the murdered soldier and no mention of the woman who shot both murderers..

Praise for the woman who shot them aswell. The only irony is that they were sorry women had to see it and then they were shot by a woman. That my friend is irony.

It sounds like by rushing the police they were expecting to be killed and become martyrs. I for one am pleased that they failed in this part of their plan.

What an awful incident. I don’t see how it’s terrorism, unless there is a new definition?

Anyway, my thoughts are with anyone involved in any way (apart from the murderers obviously), what a horrible thing to witness.

I’m pleased, for once this STW thread has remained sensible. Well done folks.

So the photo of the attacker dominated the fron pages of all papers this morning…..

….except Daily Express, nice to see them lightening the mood slightly with a photo of the Dunchess of Cornwall looking fabulous in a £1,600 bespoke Emilia Wickstead coat with a Jane Corbett-designed cream hat. 🙄

I wonder if, seeing as they wanted to be filmed, someone has immortalised for posterity the moment they came round in hospital, not to be greeted by the 72 virgins that martyrdom promised, but by a somewhat different welcoming committee

That ‘oh shit!’ moment. That’d be worth watching.

I don’t see how it’s terrorism, unless there is a new definition?

I think that if they don’t label it a “terrorist” murder, it’ll just be called a “muslim” or “islamic” murder which would not be fair or reflective. The fact that these sub-human creatures banged on about “their countries” etc etc, it is never going to just be labelled simple murder.

Wish the police put them away for good.

Now the NHS is going to have to fix them up, it’ll get dragged through the courts for ages, and they’ll end up in prison (in probably OK conditions), while the country they hate pay for all this.

RIP to the innocent victim that lost his life here.

On the face of it, it’s a hate crime, whether it’s an act of terrorism may depend if it was planned solely by the perpetrators or if they were following instructions and part of a bigger organisation. Too soon to call it either way yet, so should be considered potentially an act of terrorism.

That makes sense wrecker, cheers.

Looking at the Sun’s headline, you can tell that EDL supporters read the Sun, a bit provocative me thinks.

any irony in the fact women being praised for helping the murdered soldier and no mention of the woman who shot both murderers..

She’s had positive mentions right from the first eyewitness reports…

The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it — Boya Dee (@BOYADEE)

why do people write in that style?

parkesie – Member
The only people not allowed to wander the streets of our capital freely this weekend will be the boys and girls charged with defending it.

Unsurprisingly the directives have been waiting in inboxes and on Special Routine Orders as we’ve arrived for work this morning – nobody to wear uniform when entering or leaving barracks in Greater London, including anybody travelling in to London from the shires; outside London, the direction’s slightly contradictory, but in essence “avoid wearing anything that readily identifies the individual as military”.

Back to the days of the IRA…

RIP comrade-in-arms.

why do people write in that style?

because they have the freedom to do so.

The Tweeter is a local rapper so dat is da norm innit?

nobody to wear uniform when entering or leaving barracks in Greater London

Not limited to London either; we’ve had the same guidance and i’m a couple of hours away. I expect the advise across MOD is nationwide now.

The three women are fantastic. All three put themselves in real harms way. How many of us would have done that? I’d have hesitated for sure.

The eye witness said (I think, it’s very hard to understand), that it was in his top 3 crazy things he’s ever seen.

I dread to think what the other two things are.