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  • Liz! Truss!
  • thegeneralist
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    I’m intrigued by Rory. Says a lot of sense and manages to come across quite measured.

    (In that interview. I don’t actually have a clue who he is)

    colournoise
    Full Member

    Cabinet apparently denying anything is their fault and discussing a range of issues other than the economy.

    FML.

    It really is hard to comprehend what this country has become, and I grew up during the 80s…

    kimbers
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    Absolutely nuts

    I always thought she was a loon tbh, and I was convinced the membership would never be stupid enough to vote her in

    It’s jaw dropping

    butcher
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    (In that interview. I don’t actually have a clue who he is)

    He ran for Prime Minister against Boris Johnson. Got kicked out during the early stages for being too sensible (and being a remainer).

    thegeneralist
    Free Member

    Ta

    rumbledethumps
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    The Mrs refers to her as Thatchers Goblin.

    breatheeasy
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    Have the tories not blamed the Labour conference and its announcements as the reason for the demise of the pound yet?

    BillMC
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    Yep, it is the fear of a Labour government that led the money markets to devalue the pound but despite the polls putting Labour in the lead for quite some time they only noticed this possibility after the fiscal event.

    martinhutch
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    Quite delusional. They are probably so fixated on the idea that 2bn of tax breaks for their chums couldn’t possibly lead to hundreds of billions of damage, while ignoring the withholding of the OBR report, which is the greater sin in terms of market trust and confidence. The enthusiastic embracing of national self-harm in the form of Brexit, plus the influence of the IEA, has already made the markets wonder about the calibre of our leadership, this just compounds it.

    The principle that no sane Chancellor would directly borrow at a time when public finances are under immense strain simply to fund tax cuts for the wealthy, coupled with what seems like evasive opacity over official economic data, and the sacking of the Chief Secretary, are the triggers for this. Quite frankly, they think he and Liz are bonkers, in complete disregard of fiscal norms, and if they are happy to behave like this after a handful of days, what’s coming around the corner?

    A key role of the Chancellor of the Exchequer is to reassure the markets about the solidity of leadership and good sense at the Treasury. Kwarteng has been utterly cavalier about it in his statements, and blasé about the consequences since.

    Poopscoop
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    rumbledethumps
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    The Mrs refers to her as Thatchers Goblin.

    Margarine Thatcher.

    Kryton57
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    cavalier about it in his statements

    Wasn’t he the first person to swear on University Challenge?

    argee
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    I’m starting to get the feeling that Truss, Kwarteng, et al are in place just now as a dupe by the tories, so that in 18 months they get replaced by Boris, Rishi and the old gang and people will be rejoicing in the streets at that prospect 😂

    welshfarmer
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    Poopscoop says

    Margarine Thatcher

    Pook
    Full Member

    Anyone enjoying Truss’ local radio jamboree? Radio Kent winning so far on giving her a roasting, but kudos to BBC Lancashire for stumping her when asked if she’d actually go to the fracking site.

    0800 LEEDS
    0808 NORFOLK
    0815 KENT
    0822 LANCASHIRE
    0830 NOTTINGHAM
    0838 TEES
    0845 BRISTOL
    0852 STOKE

    franksinatra
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    She obviously spent so much time preparing for the economy questions she didn’t prep for the fracking question on Radio Lancashire. Got properly pinned down on it.

    kelvin
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    Do we get to hear some more from the people who said we were underestimating how well Truss was going to do at all this stuff as PM? She’s fluffing it up earlier, faster and more conclusively than I thought. She’s going to have to be in the fridge, avoiding any journalist worth their salt, for most of her time in the job, isn’t she.

    trailmonkey
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    Rory Stewart is quite likeable.

    He’s just another Public School, born to rule Tory with a despicable voting record on the NHS, Welfare and Tax.

    The Difference with this one is that he was the right shade of Remain to beguile Centrists and make them believe that he was something else.

    bruneep
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    oh dear that was painfully fun

    trailmonkey
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    Yep, it is the fear of a Labour government that led the money markets to devalue the pound

    Surely the hole in their own argument here is that there’s only likely to be a Labour Government in the future because of their own inabilities to govern 🙂

    How stupid do they think people are to not be able to see that ?

    scruff9252
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    That really sets the stall out on Lizzy.

    She’s clearly not competent enough to even be questioned by a local radio host. How on earth does she expect to stand up to an actual political journalist? She’s going to avoid all interviews isn’t she? Will she be reduced to making announcements via TikTok?

    kimbers
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    Truss told a very dangerous lie in 2 interviews today

    She is wrong , bills are not capped at £2500

    kelvin
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    Yup.

    franksinatra
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    He’s just another Public School, born to rule Tory with a despicable voting record on the NHS, Welfare and Tax.

    Not quite accurate. Read his books, look at what he was doing in his 20’s and 30’s and you will realise he has a better understanding of how the world works than most of us ever will. He genuinely is a world leading expert on the middle eat and on international and economic development (he is a fellow at Yale). He has spoken about his voting record and explained the whip system extensively. He was forced to vote for things he did not agree with to ensure he still got funding for his constituency and ministerial department. He hated that but at least he has explained it. He is a fascinating guy and potentially the best Prime Minister we will never have.

    nickc
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    Rory Stewart is quite likeable.

    Like many former MPs he’s now able to express opinions that would’ve been unwelcomed by party whips. As @trailmonkey suggests, he still voted with his party for some pretty harmful outcomes

    duncancallum
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    He is an intelligent and interesting chap for sure.

    trailmonkey
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    He has spoken about his voting record and explained the whip system extensively. He was forced to vote for things he did not agree with to ensure he still got funding for his constituency and ministerial department. He hated that but at least he has explained it

    Sort of like saying ‘ Sorry I had to punch you in the face and nick your bike but my brother needs a new one and he’s bigger than me.’

    tjagain
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    Still a tory tho. It shows how debased our politics has become that he seems so good and moderate

    John Smith is the best prime minister we never had.

    scratch
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    Anyone seen any evidence what so ever of how we move the low paid into high paid jobs as she’s prattling on about?

    Im keen to tell my brother when he’ll be able to ditch his job as an agricultural labourer so he can become a junior in the financial sector

    mrchrispy
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    Lot of time for Roy Stewart, very considered fella.
    he was kicked out of the leadership contest because he couldn’t help be honest and answer complicated questions with complicated answers (or say couldnt give an immediate answer as there was so much to consider) and people didnt have time for that. thats exactly the sort of politician we need

    jp-t853
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    Rory Stewart was my constituent MP. I am naturally slightly left of centre so he was quickly known as Rory the Tory in our house. I was a bit pissed off that another candidate was helicoptered in to a safe seat as well.

    In time I met him twice and was surprised that we had a lot of shared views. He actually worked really hard for the area unlike the new guy Neil Hudson who just takes credit for things that other people have done. As a working politician I had a lot of respect for Rory.

    tjagain
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    Also apparently im going to be ” encouraged ” back into employment. Dunno what job im supposed to do tho with a body and mind damaged by 40 years no nursing but hey ho. Bicycle courier?

    scruff9252
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    Still a tory tho.

    Have a listen to his and Alistair Cambels podcast “rest is politics”. He comes across exceptionally well.

    However to paraphrase, It shows how tribalism our politics has become that people automatically dismiss someone purely because of the colour of their rosette.

    (To clarify I have never voted Tory, and going from the current lot in power never could. But I would vote Rory into power, whatever colour of his Rosette.)

    gonefishin
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    She is wrong , bills are not capped at £2500

    I thought that this was widely understood until earlier this week and I had to correct quite a few people. They actually thought the was an absolute energy cap. Fairly well educated people too.

    trailmonkey
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    that people automatically dismiss someone purely because of the colour of their rosette.

    If someone had a red rosette and his voting record, I’d still think of him in the same way.

    tjagain
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    Its not tribalism

    Its understanding that the Tories exist for one reason only. To keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy.

    Yes the one nation conservatives realise they have to keep the rest content and look after them in a paternal way but no tory will ever redistribute power and wealth in any significant way.

    bruneep
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    🤦‍♂️

    gobuchul
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    Those local radio interviews are excellent. She thought she would get an easy time and just had her arse handed to her by multiple Alan Partridges.

    James O’Brien is going to be good this morning.

    martinhutch
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    My favourite of the clips I’ve heard so far, Rima from BBC Radio Leeds icily asking her if she slept well, naive Liz saying actually, she did, thinking ‘this is going to be a nice one’, then getting absolutely nuked…

    scratch
    Free Member

    How longs she got? Knives are out already no?

    binners
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    When this is the rolling judgement from the Daily Mail you really are in trouble

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