Lets talk about Man Utd

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that 🙄

I watched the MOTD2 footage. Vidic’s foot is clearly underneath Sturridge’s foot

I think you need your eyes testing. From one angle I can see what you’re explaining, from another there’s clear daylight between the feet.

I support neither team by the way, but it wasn’t a penalty.

(The Carrick one was though)

It’s just a game, don’t take it so seriously.

Only comment in fact when its about Man U, always negatively and then call it banter when you do …its the grown up thing to do 😛

Its all pretty mute [ was it or was it not a penalty]we were shit Liverpool looked good and the real issue is whether they will win the league.IMHO you have to say they are in with a shout on this form.
Interesting finish ahead for the top 4 as to who will win out. Could go to any of them tbh.

Moyes looks increasingly out his depth No special one team would have done this and he may not be up to the task.

Only comment in fact when its about Man U, always negatively and then call it banter when you do …its the grown up thing to do

What would you call it? Bullying? 🙂

Supporting a football team isn’t really a grown up activity IMO. Lots of people take it far too seriously.

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that

See?

*smug Liverpool support comment and long awaited schadenfreude joke*

9 games to go…

Ok Grum I think thats a bit lost on you 🙄

I assumed it was a reference to the Shankly quote – I don’t have to agree with it though do I?

In the digital world that football fans like to inhabit sometimes (probably guilty of it myself in the past), it was a dive and according to the rule book, Sturridge should have been booked and we should all be outraged. Back in the analogue real world, we’ve all seen penalties given when there was far more fresh air than that between defender and attacker. Vidic’s challenge was foolish. In any football league, an attacker is going to buy a penalty from a challenge which completely misses the ball and comes into all-but contact with an attacker in full flight. I might be outraged about it if I thought it might ever change things. Can’t hear many Utd fans whinging about it today as they know it made bugger all difference in a game where they may well have lost by five or six. (And that’s not meant to be rubbing it in.)

From a neutral: United well beaten, sporting dynasties don’t have a divine right to last forever, teams dont have the divine right to win every game. I hope Moyes can turn it around, is Brendan Rogers a football genius is he better than Moyes? Is Moyes better than say Harry Redknapp? Its all about money.

Premiership Football is so far removed from real life its like getting all vexed that Zeus got beaten up by Poseiden 😕

So speaking of Greek gods, anyone else hoping for a little more humiliation for certain team tonight?

Yes the Sturridge pen was a dive, but the Carrick foul later on was a penalty (which wasn’t given) so all square then 🙂 And Liverpool didn’t get a goal out of either.

it’s been said before but to win well you need to learn to lose well.

At least they are getting plenty of practice

I’d like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight. 😀

Rooney dived too BTW – then angrily demanded a penalty.

I’d like them to go through too, then beat City. Give Moyes as long a stint as possible before getting sacked. 🙂

So – anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?

So – anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?

Well seeing as most Clubs panic when relegation suddenly looms on the horizon, I would say no. Despite their situation, they aren’t going to get relegated and a new manager wouldn’t get them into the CL places….so may as well see out the season and go from there.

Which of course is continued good news for the rest of us! 🙂

I reckon Utd will win tonight but still go out. Moyes will be given time – but no more than one more season if no improvement is seen.

A strong Man U team would enhance the PL – 5 genuine title contenders has to be a good thing?

Respect to Spurs and Everton but I can’t see them breaking into the top 4.

They’ll definitely bounce back tonight and absolutely turn Olympiakos over!

Theres no doubt in my mind. I’m absolutely sure of it. I expect not to be uttering the phrase OH FFS!!!!! at all this evening. Not once.

Moyes has just been lulling everyone into a false sense of security up to this point

Good luck with that one Binners.

I think failure to go through tonight, followed by a spanking by city in 2 weeks, will see him out the door. Sort of pointless to sack him at that point, but there’s a limit to how long you can tolerate the players openly refusing to play for someone.
V surprised at the pig’s arse he’s made of things, tbh.

I still can’t believe that people think it is Moyes’ fault.

I would very much like to see Liverpool win this year but equally don’t want Moyes to get the tin tack. The only qulaity players they have at the moment are V Persie, Mata, Rooney and De Gea and out of the only the goalie is actually on form.

An appreciation (by the board and the fans at the match) that it is not really Moyes’ fault is why he still has a job, IMO. There are limits, though.
I’d like to see him given the chance to take an axe to the squad and rebuild – not sure he’ll have the opportunity.

Its not Moyes fault. Its the idle overpaid bastards on the pitch. With a couple of notable exceptions, none of them look like they can be arsed at all, with VP being the worst obvious offender. He’s just having a massive Anelka like strop. I hope he’s on the bench tonight. Because he hasn’t done anything to justify a starting place.

Moyes needs the chance for a proper clear out. Get rid of those that are just coasting. Which is a good percentage of the squad. I’m sure he’s a long list of who’s going to be transfer listed literally the second the final whistle of the season blows, and we’ve finished way off the top 4 in the kind of place Liverpool normally occupy. With them annoyingly occupying the place we normally are.

Moyes proved he can build a good squad. Thats what he’s been broughtt in to do. He’ll be given the chance to do it. Not knee-jerk sacked like some of the headless chickens presently languishing in the bottom of the table

It may not be his fault but I’m still not sure he’s up to the job. He just looks like a broken man and some of the stuff he comes out with sounds pretty defeatist/clueless.

I’m not sure either grum. Far from it. But there aren’t any other options right now that are going to make any immediate improvements. BUt I do believe (i think like most United fans) that he needs a chance. He needs a proper transfer window, and start a season fresh. I doubt given that, we’ll be where we are next year. (please god!)

We certainly should be looking to get shut of a few people, but at the moment, theres a lengthening list I’d show the door before Moyes

I really hope MU pull it off tonight and in style. But still think Moyes is sadly doomed. Ok he’s inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics – if only for his own health. He needs to show some gravitas, he’s not managing a mid table side now (sorry toffees), he’s managing one of the globes biggest brands. Time to act as if you belong in the job, David old boy!! Good luck tonight.

Surely if its not Moyes fault Utd are rubbish currently, its also the case that Rodgers isn’t responsible for the improvement at Liverpool?

Which is of course ridiculous.

Its Moyes fault, its his job to mould the players, improve them, give them knowledge, tactics, skills etc.

As much fun as watching Utd’s decline is it’s been coming, the last couple of seasons results have been ground out, they’ve not won a game or demolished an opposition team for a fair while.

One thing I was surprised about was the lack of boos after the game at the weekend, losing in what many people see as the biggest game of the premiership at home like that should’ve provoked some reaction, it’s almost like the fans have slipped into some sort of coma

11 point margin with a team than looked pretty average in paper. In hindsight, and amazing achievement last season?

I’d like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight.

You sick bastard…..very funny though

Moyes proved he can build a good squad

He has yet again built a top ish team who cannot beat the top 4 home or away or win anything 😈

. Ok he’s inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics

It is getting harder to tell which is which but does anyone really think this would have happened under fergie or Mourinho?

Its hard to tell if he is out of his depth or not but it is not looking good. The team is a shambles of some of that ha to be his fault as they dont seem to want to play for him or they have no clue what he wants them to do.

Moyes is neither walking the walk, nor perhaps more importantly, talking the talk.

It’s harsh to make comparisons, but, Fergie would have handled this decline VERY differently. The press would have been reminded how huge United are and how important it is to pull on the red shirt, and nothing less than the best would be expected and demanded from the players.

Personally, I feel that Fergie jumped when he saw the decline in this squad coming, I also think Moyes was doomed the moment he sacked ALL of the training staff and brought his cronies with him.

I thought Moyes deserved time, everyone keeps mentioning how Fergie turned it around after 4 years, but that’s presuming Moyes is a Fergie in the making. His lack of previous success and seeming lack of tactical savvy strongly suggest otherwise.

Rogers has done a great job with the bin dippers and is just the sort of strong home grown character United should have gone for. Now I feel their best bet is to cut their losses and sign Van Gaal or Klop (whatever he’s called). They desperately need an experienced manager who will command respect from the players.

I’m one of those rare United fans whom has no problem with this decline, I’ve enjoyed every moment of the last 20 years of unparalleled success and realise that everything is cyclical. You have to taste the bitter to enjoy the sweet, hence why the rest of the world is currently revelling so much in the current United shambles, they’ve been bitter for an entire generation!
Armed with the success and history I’ve witnessed I could genuinely never see them win the league again and still die happy.
As long as the same goes for the rat munchers down the road.

bin dippers

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Agree DD, it made his post into a complete waste of time.

right so you can make snidey shitty posts about a team you dont support but not a fairly reasonable one with a shitty snidey word in it for the teams you dont support…is that the rule then ?

Neither fills me with joy tbh….footie fans and their “banter” eh

Reasonable game so far and at least they look like a team

Binbins is he trying hard enough tonight ?

I think he’s bigging up his European credentials in case other managers are watching. 😀

**** me! An actual mayn yoo team has turned up! 😀

JY – I don’t swipe at other teams, ever.

Except for them ones. It’s is the rules, yes

It’s your behaviour and your choice slim

GET IN

I think he’s bigging up his European credentials in case other managers are watching

You may be right 😥

Valencia – WTF ?
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