Laurent Fignon / road rage / child's face

I’m sure. I’ve read the bottom line several times and it still says the same thing every time. How about I quote this bit from your first post in case that helps at all:

Yes, it almost always is.

Sounds to me like the driver was incompetent/dangerous and the passenger was a ****. Despite only hearing her side of things.

what if id had to swerve to avoid a collision with another road user and inadvertantly veered into a supreme being on a bike that the world owes a living to.

It’d basically prove that it’s always the motorists fault…

Tongue in cheek,

In relation to the NO LIGHTS ON A BIKE WHEN IT GETS DARK AN HOUR EARLIER NEXT WEEK, which was in relation to me driving in to work on Tuesday, after seeing several Cyclists without them on, which is in relation to turning up at the scene of an accident where a woman is killed cycling up the inside of a HGV in camden last year, which is in relation to a Cyclist being crushed under a bus on Oxford street cycling up the inside with no lights on,

its a well known fact that accidents happen this next week more than any other time in the year, i mean does anyone on here work in the motor trade fixing cars that have had a bump.

Its the same with motorists, forgetting to put lights on, driving too fast in the wet, you wont agree but its the same with Cyclists, i went in to the office this week and one of the girls who starts at 6 still has NO lights on her bike, if she gets knocked off i take it that its the motorists fault.

Oh, of course, yes. You can accuse people of all sorts of character flaws and actions on the basis of no evidence at all other than a made-up sequence of events that differs from every single media report (as far as I’ve seen, anyway) and it’s fine because it’s the internet. I forgot that. God bless the internet!

Bez, I read all your articles and have a huge amount of respect for you. I don’t mind that you disagree with me, but I think this ^ is all a bit beneath you to be honest.

I was blowing off steam, offering an [admittedly robust] opinion based on the info in the link. The internet is full of opinions. Tears in the rain, my friend, tears in the rain.

I apologise if I’ve offended you.

The chances are it would be, yes.

Aye, storm in a teacup, which was partly why the response was a flounce rather than a coherent argument 😉 It’s just that it seemed anything but “offering an opinion based on the info in the link”: your sequence of events was in direct conflict with the info in the link. (And I know reporting is often way off the mark, but still…)

Bez – I think some of us were applying the filter of our experiences on the road and “what motorists say”* along with a dose of reporting inaccuracy and deciding what the most likely scenario was based on all the available evidence. For me at least that isn’t exactly how the woman is reported as describing it, though that’s just my opinion.

* has anybody done that video?

What Aracer said ^ [more articulately that I could]

Yeah, I follow that. It’s the assumption that what happened here is the same as what you’ve experienced and seen many times before. But that doesn’t mean it happened here, and (thus far) there’s a total lack of information to say that it is what happened here. I’ve reasonable suspicion that the other side of the story may turn out to be different, but to take that report (or any of the others which give the same details) and state “driver squeezes cyclist” and that “she’s a typical clueless, selfish ****” seems… a bit of a reach?

Fundamentally, there are nutjobs around and some of them are on bikes. If we’re talking about someone who takes a D-lock and smashes a car window in, my thought is that we’re above averagely leaning towards nutjob territory. Given how aggressively I’ve seen some people ride I don’t see any reason to assume the story must be completely false.

But, like we all agree, we have one side of the story. Let’s not jump to conclusions. (If we even still give a flip by now.)

Shall we have some gin and call it quits? 😉

Can I have my gin in a glass rather than the other way round?

iz disappoint

Yeah, I follow that. It’s the assumption that what happened here is the same as what you’ve experienced and seen many times before. But that doesn’t mean it happened here, and (thus far) there’s a total lack of information to say that it is what happened here. I’ve reasonable suspicion that the other side of the story may turn out to be different, but to take that report (or any of the others which give the same details) and state “driver squeezes cyclist” and that “she’s a typical clueless, selfish ****” seems… a bit of a reach?

Fundamentally, there are nutjobs around and some of them are on bikes. If we’re talking about someone who takes a D-lock and smashes a car window in, my thought is that we’re above averagely leaning towards nutjob territory. Given how aggressively I’ve seen some people ride I don’t see any reason to assume the story must be completely false.

But, like we all agree, we have one side of the story. Let’s not jump to conclusions. (If we even still give a flip by now.)

Shall we have some gin and call it quits?

One of the most rational pieces on one of these topics. Bravo.

I’ll take mine shaken, stirred and smashed over a child’s face with a d-lock

Heh. Aracer beat me to that joke.

Evening. Oh bbc I wonder how many road rages, dealths etc etc there are a day? Stop the selective one sided redtop jounalism. Wheres the quality?