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TandemJeremy – Member
….. the only thing that matters is is it under control IE is it obeying the commands of its owner.

…what if the owners command is “get’im rover” – the dog obeys the command so is “under control”

Surely the only thing that matters if if the owners (in)attention results in physical (? or emotional) damage to another person

If the owner says “get him Rover” I would assume its a whole different ball game. Thats probaly assault, dogs destrotyed etc.

But there are idiots out there that do indeed do this.

You ideally want your dog to be passive, sniffing around the bushes running etc but when others are around under finer control.

When I take mine out they are generally in the back of the car to the forrest and I go to a quiet area to let them exercise. That takes the excitement out of them as most dogs seem to get excited about going for their walk. Its their playtime as it were.

We then put them on leads and walk through busier areas. You can spot alot even when a dog is on a lead, is it pulling, has the owner got control. Many times you see people being walked by their dogs.

has the owner got control.

This is why I was looking for a clear definition from TJ regarding the country code. It is not clear to define and it certainly isn’t up to TJ to say what is or isn’t permitted.

I doubt that there is a definition of “control” its very subjective.

There is a perfectly good definition of control quoted above

keeping it under effective control. This means that you:

keep your dog on a lead, or
keep it in sight at all times, be aware of what it’s doing and be confident it will return to you promptly on command

This or very similar variants are used widely. Its really pretty simply. close control is different =- that is the dog must be at heel or on a short lead and is required when livestock are present or for some other specific occasions

I doubt that there is a definition of “control” its very subjective.

Which is probably why the code is written in such a way so that it can be interpreted on a case by case scenario.

As you are a farmer, if you saw a dog running rampant through your cows you would probably shoot it and fair play. Most owners are not farmers with dogs used to cattle etc therefore they should not be running around fields full of cattle. Get real and stop being so bloody stupid.

not a farmer I’m a teacher, but I did grow up on a farm and have worked on a few. If a dog is running about a field of cows it could be shot but its highly unlikely as you wouldnt want to shoot your cows. Its the repeat offenders who the farmers shoot, because they are ready and waiting. Its actually pretty hard to shoot a dog with a shot gun, you have to be able to get pretty close. I’ve seen a dog worrying sheep if I had been trying to shoot it a few sheep would have coped it too. Got the dogs to chase it off in the end. Besides I never said I’d let my dog run around cattle I said I wouldnt put her on the lead around cattle. I believe Mr Blunkett had his dog a lead and look what happened to him. In the vast majority of cases dog and owner are at much greater risk than the cattle. You wont listen to me so never mind.

pingu66 – Member
If we refer to the OP he was bitten by a labrador, now not a cow, and I have owned labradors so feel I can comment. Its very unusual for a labrador to bite someone. Many dogs are more likely to bite than others. Labradors some of the most unlikely.

I remember reading a paper (so it may not be true) that the most likely dog to get bitten by in the UK was a chocolate Lab (taken from stats gathered from the national statistics office)

As for TJ’s law it seems to deal in absolutes, whereas UK Law (as if he had any legal training or experience or had even spoken to a solicitor he would know this) you can’t get the bastards to agree on anything and are about as far from absolute on specific piece of legislation as you can get.

I remember reading a paper (so it may not be true) that the most likely dog to get bitten by in the UK was a chocolate Lab (taken from stats gathered from the national statistics office)

one of the most common dogs so not suprising, I read a paper that suggested that Dachshund were the most aggressive breed
http://freedownload.is/pdf/breed-differences-in-canine-aggression-deborahl-duffya-yuying–2344290.html

So I have a question, if this determines in control

This means that you:
keep your dog on a lead, or
keep it in sight at all times, be aware of what it’s doing and be confident it will return to you promptly on command

Under TJ’s law, should all guide dogs for the blind be shot? As if they are let off the lead they are instantly out of the owners sight, hence out of control

just let the cows deal with them, like Blunketts dog!!

Labs! – I hate them. I’d rather face a pack of sneaky collies than a Lab with an attitude. As for getting bitten, remember you are the bigger dog – bite the b*^^r back