Jeremy Corbyn

It’s a hysterical witchhunt stirred up very successfully by people who have benefitted politically from it. It’s got nothing to do with racism, anti-semitism or anything else. It’s politics, plain and simple, and in this case the Labour Party have been massively damaged because many within it were too ready to side with those on the other side and others weren’t willing to defend themselves for fear of being called racists.

This really seems like you are just denying peoples legit experiences of working for / with the Labour party and its not on. Racism is racism and I don’t want those people in a party im a member of. Denying racism is as bad as being racist!

Its now come to light the labour party has a deep rooted problem with anti semitism something as a long term Labour supporter really shocks me and makes me reflect on the man I championed so much. Fact is Corbyn was in charge didn’t act (or do enough) so its his fault, he may not be racist but his lack of leadership allowed these people to make other peoples lives an absolute misery.

He’d rather destroy the Labour Party than say sorry.

As the saying goes, what goes around comes around. Pretty shitty having people sabotaging the party from within isn’t it?

Fact is Corbyn was in charge didn’t act (or do enough) so its his fault, he may not be racist but his lack of leadership allowed these people to make other peoples lives an absolute misery.

And that’s what this boils down to. You put it better than I did.

This warrants a book titled “why I don’t talk about anti-semitism with labour voters”. On the other hand, it’s time the Labour Party starts behaving like a real alternative to BoJo and not hook themselves to the leader that delivered them their biggest defeat in many decades.

Dianne Abbott explains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVaCkxO4GKY

M Hodge made 198 complaints, surely she’d be able to stump up some proof and make life a bit easier for Starmer and the press. A bit of evidence might help us escape from all the endless name-calling which rather obscures the issues.

Dianne Abbott explains

Yes, let’s all laugh at the fat black woman. In an entirely objective and non-racist way of course.

This warrants a book titled “why I don’t talk about anti-semitism with labour voters”. On the other hand, it’s time the Labour Party starts behaving like a real alternative to BoJo and not hook themselves to the leader that delivered them their biggest defeat in many decades.

100%! Its actually shocking the amount of people here who are defending whats been happening claiming its not racism “its political” stop sipping the kool-aid people! Its not nice to admit people we thought were good did something wrong… actually horrific. Ultimately its about how does that make me, us, you, the collective we look, did I / do I support an anti semitic party. Kier is 100% right these people have no place in the Labour party. If people want to deny the findings of this report just leave and start your own party. We got 4 years or so to build a better labour party, I don’t care if the unions leave if they want to deny peoples legit lived experiences because how it makes them look just go now.

its not enough to not be racist we have to be anti racist and make people aware there is no place for this behaviour in our society! The standards we hold the opposition to on issues such as islamophobia are the same standards we must hold ourselves too.

Dianne Abbott – God bless her!! 🙂

As the saying goes, what goes around comes around. Pretty shitty having people sabotaging the party from within isn’t it?

Well I’m better off under the Tories, so just look on with astonishment as the left, whilst pretending to care about the poor, put their own egos front and centre and sell the poor out.

Starmer will win in the end as he’s ten times brighter than Corbyn and all Corbyn seems to do is look for landmines to jump on and then moan that he’s being persecuted.

However, he’s a selfish idiot, so will fight on dragging the Labour Party through anti-semitic mud until he drops dead. He just can’t help himself – similar to Ken Livingston, all ego and no common sense.

Absolutely this.

It’s all about him. Me! Me! Me! He’s a shameless, self-absorbed narcissist. He’ll be absolutely loving this. All the sixth formers rallying round to listen to his ‘poor me’ persecuted, self-pitying posturing.

He couldn’t give a flying **** about the labour party or anything else. He needs the messianic adoration of a certain section of society. He’s basically the people’s poet, made real.

And all this is a bit…

It absolutely amazes me that people still buy his tired old shtick

Well I’m better off under the Tories

How do you know?

100%! Its actually shocking the amount of people here who are defending whats been happening claiming its not racism “its political” stop sipping the kool-aid people!

Have you read the report.
It is pretty much entirely procedural around how they didnt have an effective system in place for managing complaints although it looks like some bits were improved over time. Its curious how many of the examples of “political interference” are the LOTO pushing for more aggressive intervention.

How do you know?

As a higher rate tax payer, I would expect to pay higher taxes (and be happy to do so) under a Labour government as I would expect them to try and improve equality.

However, thanks to Corbyn and Momenentum, that day is probably a generation or so away.

Well I’m better off under the Tories, so just look on with astonishment as the left, whilst pretending to care about the poor, put their own egos front and centre and sell the poor out.

This is so true! (apart from the tory bit) The left and I see myself as left want to hammer down anyone whos opinions are wrong but as soon as their actions are challenged its due to politics, conspiracy theories some other nonsense. There is a book by Darren McGarvey called Poverty Safari where he touches on this – its a brilliant book which everyone should read.

Its actually shocking the amount of people here who are defending whats been happening claiming its not racism “its political” stop sipping the kool-aid people!

It is both. It is a racism issue that has been played by the other team for political ends. The difference if opinion here seems to be more about the relative influence of those two factors on how visibly this has been played out.

And all the while Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Letterboxes Picanninies Watermelon-Smiles Johnson gets a free ride with his party. A free ride on his clear dismissive racism and also a respite from some scrutiny on their abject fails on covid and upcoming nation-level insider trade / asset strip that is going to make the country they are governing poorer for decades.

I don’t think he was wrong in his response, this was entirely weaponised against him. Yes there was a problem but as pointed out that problem was being exploited and exacerbated for political gain. Yes, it happened under his watch but he acknowledged that.

His response got the reaction he knew it would, it was a deliberate act. It was wrong.

He could simply have said “The report shows that we could and should do better on this issue, as a lifelong antiracist I will support the current leadership in the continuing improvements started under my leadership in this area”

Easy, gets his points across, doesn’t challenge the report, supports the current leadership (through gritted teeth). Not hard is it?

Have you read the report.
It is pretty much entirely procedural around how they didnt have an effective system in place for managing complaints although it looks like some bits were improved over time. Its curious how many of the examples of “political interference” are the LOTO pushing for more aggressive intervention.

No I haven’t read the full report, I have read bits of it, read news articles and watched some bits, but if its all procedural there is one person as fault at the end of the day and thats Corbyn he was in charge. Do I think Corbyn is racist no (i haven’t seen anything that suggests so), do I think his lack of action made the issue worse 100%. He should have lead by example he said there was no place for racism in the labour party but didn’t take the steps to kick all these people out. That is my issue with him, he didn’t do enough.

As a higher rate tax payer, I would expect to pay higher taxes (and be happy to do so) under a Labour government as I would expect them to try and improve equality.

Ah I see – I misunderstood your point. Yes, likewise I have more money in my pocket than if we lived somewhere a bit more equitable, but I’d gladly swap. But not just to give the govt more money to fill Serco’s pockets.

All he had to do was say ‘Sorry, we made some mistakes and we (Labour) will learn from them and improve our processes’ and it would be matter closed.

But no, he had to imply the commission was biased, knowing that was unacceptable and he’d be expelled so he can then play the martyr and try and damage Labour as much as possible.

Quite an incredible ego – all about him being persecuted.

all ego and no common sense.

Or instead a lifelong anti-racist who has done more to fight racism and anti-semitism than many of his critics put together wanting to defend his reputation. Why should he simply give in an accept the outrageous accusation that he’s an anti-semite from the likes of Hodge and Berger? Every word of his statement was true, but that doesn’t seem to matter, because the politics are the only thing anyone is interested in.

All he had to do was say ‘Sorry, we made some mistakes and we (Labour) will learn from them and improve our processes’ and it would be matter closed.

Do you seriously believe that? The hawks on the right of the party want blood. They won’t be happy til they’ve hounded him to his grave, and that’s the most disturbing element of this whole disgusting saga.

And all the while Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Letterboxes Picanninies Watermelon-Smiles Johnson gets a free ride with his party. A free ride on his clear dismissive racism and also a respite from some scrutiny on their abject fails on covid and upcoming nation-level insider trade / asset strip that is going to make the country they are governing poorer for decades.

All the more reason sort Labour out, quickly, cleanly, openly

Starmer needs a new Campbell, their ability to shape the news agenda is pitiful at the moment, until that changes they aren’t going to shift the polls

Or instead a lifelong anti-racist who has done more to fight racism and anti-semitism than many of his critics put together wanting to defend his reputation.

Labour screwed up badly on anti-semitism under his watch. No excuses, he just has to say sorry and move on.

He’s acting like Trump, he’ll accept the power of leaderership but refuses to accept any responsibility which comes with the position.

EDIT: He could just say nothing, that would be 10,000% better than opening his mouth…

All the more reason sort Labour out, quickly, cleanly, openly

Unless JC gets run over by a bus, that’s never going to happen. This will drag on for decades.

Or instead a lifelong anti-racist who has done more to fight racism and anti-semitism than many of his critics put together wanting to defend his reputation. Why should he simply give in an accept the outrageous accusation that he’s an anti-semite from the likes of Hodge and Berger? Every word of his statement was true, but that doesn’t seem to matter, because the politics are the only thing anyone is interested in.

So a former leader has to make choice of a statement that would help the party move forward, or one defending himself and throws his party under a bus

He chose selfishly

He should have lead by example he said there was no place for racism in the labour party but didn’t take the steps to kick all these people out.

He did both those things. He repeatedly said there was no place for racism, and anti-semitism in particular in the party, and he bolsterered and accelerated complaints and investigation procedures. It wasn’t enough though for his critics on the right, it never would have been, because their aim wasn’t the elimination of AS from the party, it was the elimination of Corbyn. This was all about grubby politics, and it still is.

Do I think Corbyn is racist no (i haven’t seen anything that suggests so), do I think his lack of action made the issue worse 100%

Aside from there is repeated evidence of procedures being improved whilst he was in office.
Again many of the “political intervention” examples were his office actually forcing more aggressive action against antisemites.
Could it be better. Definitely but its nowhere close to what was being claimed and I somewhat doubt any party would have fared better in an analysis of their complaints procedures (remember the tories havent even got round to bothering to start their investigation into Islamophobia despite that being the reason why the ECHR declined to investigate them).

Unless JC gets run over by a bus, that’s never going to happen. This will drag on for decades.

Hopefully not, Starmer has the opportunity to purge the idiots (because they won’t be able to keep their mouths shut) and try and rebuild something electable in the next three years when there should be an open goal due to the incompetence of the incumbents

Yes, let’s all laugh at the fat black woman. In an entirely objective and non-racist way of course.

Nope, how about instead we laugh at the £80k per year public servant who can’t even pronounce anti-Semitism, let along begin to understand what it means, despite attempting to apologise for it? Don’t even start me on her grasp of numbers.

Have you even listened to that clip of her posted above? It is embarrassing.

It wasn’t enough though for his critics on the right, it never would have been, because their aim wasn’t the elimination of AS from the party, it was the elimination of Corbyn.

The two are intertwined, the fact that Corbyn would rather damage Labour for decades than say ‘Sorry’, or just say nothing, demonstrates that he puts his ego before the party and the poor. It’s even more obvious now that he’s hopelessly unsuited to being in a Party which is supposed to champion the underprivaledged.

So, getting rid of Corbyn is a necessity if Labour is to stand any chance of being elected.

Starmer has the opportunity to purge the idiots (because they won’t be able to keep their mouths shut) and try and rebuild something electable in the next three years when there should be an open goal due to the incompetence of the incumbents

I’d just assumed that was the plan all along. This was just him firing the starting gun on the process. And with serious justification for doing so.

The sixth form echo chamber is predictably soiling its petticoats in yawningly predictable outrage at the treatment of their useless messiah.

Meanwhile, outside in the real world, voters are looking at this and thinking ‘oh look… the labour party have got rid of that hopeless old 70’s throwback Marxist.” and concluding that that’s a pretty smart (long overdue) move, and the party might be worth voting for next time.

I see that the faithful have raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for Jeremy’s ‘fighting fund’. How frightfully Islington of them. Did they rattle tins outside Waitrose? Imagine if they put their efforts into actually doing something useful?

When Corbyn took over, I like many others was impressed with him. He seemed principled and fair minded. Took me a few weeks to realise how wrong I was. There is a fine line between principled and arrogant to the point where you can’t see or won’t see that maybe you are wrong.

Corbyn and his team made the Labour party unelectable. If he cared about getting a Labour government into power and more importantly getting this lot out then he would apologise and fade into the background. But no, he still stands on the sidelines refusing to see that he may have been in the wrong and making noise that fuels the MSM, damages Starmer and takes the focus off Johnson.

The last election showed that Labour have a mountain to climb. They can do without this petulant, arrogant fool making it harder for them.

It’s even more obvious now that he’s hopelessly unsuited to being in a Party which is supposed to champion the underprivaledged.

Jesus. Do you know what Corbyn did yesterday after being suspended from the party and called a racist all day? He went and did his weekly shift at the local foodbank.

Did everyone bask in the glow from his halo?

Has the booting out of JC had a positive effect already?

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1322126032028291072

Aside from there is repeated evidence of procedures being improved whilst he was in office.

Indeed – and this was actually cited in the EHRC report! It’s interesting that things only improved when Matthews got the boot – only when Corbyn kicked out a minor right-winger did improvements on dealing with antisemitism start happening.

Again many of the “political intervention” examples were his office actually forcing more aggressive action against antisemites.

But of course in this very thread this has been cited repeatedly as “Corbyn interference” with zero context oh how he “interfered” to accelerate dealing with antisemitism. You’ll note the wording in the EHRC is similarly woolly, giving the impression that his “interference” was a bad thing.
OFC if Corbyn had not interfered, he would have been criticised for “not acting fast enough”. Unfortunately a number of people are stuck in the hate circle-jerk and are only willing to engage in disingenuous point-scoring.

Has the booting out of JC had a positive effect already?

FFS look at the dates on when the poll was taken.

Did everyone bask in the glow from his halo?

No it just confirmed the view that the labour party is no longer an organisation which is interested in the under-priveleged.

Jesus. Do you know what Corbyn did yesterday after being suspended from the party and called a racist all day? He went and did his weekly shift at the local foodbank.

And in what way does that qualify him to be leader of a political party?

He’s deeply flawed, on the one hand he (sort of) means well (eg foodbank etc), on the other he’ll happily drag Labour through anti-semitic mud for decades rather than say ‘sorry’.

The latter hurts the poor far more than his shift at a food bank will ever help them.

No it just confirmed the view that the labour party is no longer an organisation which is interested in the under-priveleged.

He’s about to spaff a few hundred thousand quid on legal fees because he can’t bring himself to say sorry, due to his planet-sized ego and his constant need for adulation. He could not bother and donate all that to a food bank instead.

He could not bother and donate all that to a food bank instead.

But that would put the poor before his ego – never going to happen.

Hopefully not, Starmer has the opportunity to purge the idiots (because they won’t be able to keep their mouths shut) and try and rebuild something electable in the next three years when there should be an open goal due to the incompetence of the incumbents

I hope he won’t. That sort of thing was the MO of the whole Momentum / Far-Left group within Labour when Corbyn first became leader. Thankfully he was removed, before they pushed ahead with their whole deselection plan which would have helped them secure the 3rd GE loss under his leadership.

I do think you can unite a Party by just removing everyone who doesn’t agree with you. If Labour want a road-map to success they have to at least look at the last time they Won anything, which means bringing up ‘New Labour’, no doubt to many cries of “war criminal” from the left of the Party.

Despite voting against his own party continually the never tried to Deselect Corbyn, they didn’t try to deselect that other hard-left blowhard Dennis Skinner, they actually invited him to join the Cabinet time and time again to give the left a voice, nor did they ever make a move against Tony Benn who seemed to hate New Labour more than the Tories, that old purity of ideology problem again I guess.

Personally, I wouldn’t let the like of Diane Abbot or Jeremy Corbyn near the shadow cabinet, as you say, they just can’t help themselves. They still believe that the UK will have a suddenly realisation that they were right all along and we’ll carry them into power, but we won’t. But there should be room for the left of the party and people who can keep their principles whilst not actively trying to bring down their own party in the process.