Jeremy Corbyn

tbf since the election campaign was announced ( a whole 4 days ago) the media have been reporting his policies

perhaps because May hasnt released any info about hers?

Since she’s taken over, she’s specialised in not telling anyone anything at all. Brexit means Brexit

Well there’s that one I linked to that you claimed didn’t exist for starters.

The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren’t they the media?

So what policy announcements haven’t been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy…..

steady on guys she is a christian who hates immigration and will stop it even though it was her job in the home office to do this

THIS TIME SHE MEANS IT

Ok so she might cripple the economy in the process, antagonise world leaders but by god those foreigners wont be coming here in the numbers they were so we can all* feel safer

* all mainly means the old right wing racist morons who prop up the tory party

The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren’t they the media?

So what policy announcements haven’t been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy…..

Are you being deliberately obtuse or just trolling? So one article in a paywalled paper is the media giving reasonable coverage to a major policy announcement?

If your team can’t articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership.

Other than bringing back the 1950s concept of grammar schools and GETTING THE JOB DONE on brexit I have no idea what May’s policies are. Conversely I know that Corbyn’s policy ideas (waiting for manifesto so not policies yet) are:

– Renationalising the railways
– Free school meals for primary school children
– Increase carers allowance
– £10 minimum wage
– Democratisation of the Bank of England
– National Education Service
– Green and Regional Investment banks
– Public Service Providers to be required to have defined maximum pay ratios
– 6 tests for accepting brexit deal
– Scrapping tuition fees
– Reverse corporation tax cuts

I could go on but that will suffice. You can argue about whether these are good or bad policies or how they might be funded, but they look a lot more like policies than ‘red white and blue brexit’ and all the other drivel that spews from the mouth of Chairman May.

It’s not hard to find Labour’s Top 10 pledges (“policy ideas”) on the Labour website. Dazh has found 11 🙂 I’m still gobsmacked that Labour sent a completely unprepared MP onto Radio 4 who didn’t mention one of these. Maybe they’ve all been instructed to keep quiet when asked about policies (as opposed to pledges) until the manifesto is out. If that’s the case, best to keep them locked away rather than make an idiot of themselves (and Labour).

It’s not hard to find Labour’s Top 10 pledges (“policy ideas”) on the Labour website

I’ve just tried searching google for ‘conservative policies’ and the top 3 results are from 2015 🙂

There seems to be another car crash interview unfolding on the Daily Politics from the Labour Schools minister.

He wants reduced class sizes but can’t put a figure on it. Apparently it’s all going to be announced next week along with costings so why try and sell it this week FFS if you can’t give any answers.

Sigh.

What do you think about this big_n_daft?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Presumably all Corbyn’s fault too?

So this morning Corbyn has confirmed that labour will abolish zero-hours contracts and Chairman May has emailed her MPs to ask for ideas to put in their manifesto. So remind me again which party has no policies?

Dazh – apparently it’s going to be a ‘rolling’ manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn’t basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then ‘re-announcing’ an improvement.

Dazh – apparently it’s going to be a ‘rolling’ manifesto from Labour.

Great idea. It maintains momentum and keeps them in the news. I’m almost beginning to think labour have some sort of strategy. And so far CM has been conspicuously absent.

Which I hope doesn’t basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed

Presumably not by the majority of people who actually agree with them?

I reckon this has been the plan all along..

The Eton mafia realise that they’re losing their grip and that folk are demanding a fairer more transparent form of government..

They put up Corbyn to lead society into a new dawn but hadn’t figured on the press corps sabotage, so they’ve given us another year of outrageous Tory evil just to focus the collective consciousness..

Brexit was an anomaly as nobody had forseen the low IQ of the populace, but the new fairer society is back on track as Corbs romps in on June 8th.. Good times! 🙂

I wish people would stop believing that the plan isn’t already very clearly laid out!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Presumably all Corbyn’s fault too?

Can’t see the right wingers on here believing that as the analysis was LSE (a well known bunch of lefties). They can’t be trusted…

Dazh – apparently it’s going to be a ‘rolling’ manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn’t basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then ‘re-announcing’ an improvement.

To be fair, as a practice it’s not restricted to one party

Once the plan has been actuated, all that left/right nonsense will be consigned to the history books..
With all the info harvested from the net about your average citizen, the algorithms have concluded that the only people still interested in that sort of divisive nonsense are ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..

Sounds great, yunki!

Renationalise railways? Not a hope; it would be a multi-year programme which would not be completed in a 5 year term. The rail operating companies (ROCs) have different durations & end dates; there is no universal ‘break clause’. All rolling stock is owned by the operators. What about the freight operators (FOCs)?
IF labour wins and attempts to implement the ROCs & TOCs will freeze investment. Good news for Bombardier in derby and Toshiba(?) in newton aycliffe.

Democratise the BoE. What does that mean?
The existing Green bank is being sold to MacQuarrie.
Reverse corporation tax cuts? Small company formations in uk are increasing steadily. Owners moving from employed to self-employed; they won’t vote for increased corporation tax.
Public service providers & max pay ratios – how? Increase low pay or reduce high pay or some combination? Either increase costs or risk losing ‘talent’.
National Education Service; which means…what? Top down imposition of one size fits all ‘policy’.

Without some detail to explain/support any of these and the others in dazh’s list these are nothing more than words in a bulleted list.

When will any leading politician address the elephant in the room – the NHS with a constructive and focussed attitude?
A grown-up and non-political discussion about what we want from the NHS – what are we willing to pay and then live with the best that level of funding can provide OR what service do we need now – and will need over the next 30/40 years – cost it and then look at how it can be funded.
No stealth sales to private companies.

ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..

Take offence at that. I have loads of perspective.

Fantastic article in the Staggers:

http://www.newstatesman.com/labour-bus-jeremy-corbyn-memes

Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious “friends” is unfair???

Then states

Surveys consistently show that a very large majority of UK citizens (and by extension newspaper and TV audiences) do not trust politicians and journalists at all – a mere 20-25 per cent of people believe that journalists and politicians tell the truth.

So moaning about stuff that people don’t believe????

Journalists – and the media organisations they represent – have an ethical and dare I say democratic obligation to address this high degree of distrust.

No obligation on politicians then??

Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student

Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious “friends” is unfair???

As I’ve already pointed out, when Tory hero Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends, and our government is toadying up to literally some of the worst rulers in the world, then yes it is completely unfair to harp on about him as if he’s some kind of terrorist-supporter. Pinochet killed thousands, tortured thousands more, locked up thousands more without trial – Maggie considered him a great friend even after all this became public knowledge.

So moaning about stuff that people don’t believe????

People don’t trust journalists but they still set the agenda for what is considered ‘news’.

No obligation on politicians then??

Whataboutery.

Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student

Why?

Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends

Does she?

CFH why do you even bother posting in these threads when all you do is troll?

Fine, ‘had’ – well done, great point, really well made. *sigh*

Corbyn has very very few real polices. What he does have is an idea for his socialist utopia. Thats all a bit like “kinder gentler politics” which we hear little about now post all the racism issues Labour have so badly mismanaged and the agressive de-selection threats.

Labour are going to be crushed. The real question is what happens after the GE. If they don’t change direction Labour in England is going to look like Labour in Scotland.

😆

Corbyn has very very few real polices.

Ah so now we’re talking about ‘real’ policies. So tell me what is real about ‘Red white and blue brexit’?

What he does have is an idea for his socialist utopia.

Yes because middle of the road policies like bringing the failed railways back into public ownership is hopelessly utopian, whereas ripping up 40 years of economic, cultural and political cooperation with our nearest neighbours in a misguided effort to revive a long-dead empire is entirely pragmatic and rational. You really never fail to amaze me with your lack of grasp on reality 🙂

CFH are you laughing at how hilarious it is for jambalaya to claim that Labour have a problem with racism when one of their leading politicians published an article saying black people have lower IQs, and called black people ‘picanninies’ with ‘watermelon smiles’.?

Or when David Cameron tried to make out Sadiq Khan was a terrorist sympathiser because he’s got a dark skin and a foriegn sounding name? Or when he went on a jolly to apartheid era South Africa.

Or the Tory councillor who said there were too many **** in his town and wasn’t reprimanded in any way?

Or when Oliver Letwin said black people had “bad moral attitudes”, and said schemes to help black people would be spent in “the disco and drugs trade” and employment programmes would only see black people “graduate … into unemployment and crime”.

The Conservative Party took no disciplinary action and Mr Letwin remains a government minister.

But yeah, it’s Labour that has a problem with racism.

No. Was laughing at having tweaked your ire a little.

Childish fun. Sorry.

Corbyn has very very few real polices.

kinda like May’s redwhitebluebrexitmeansbrexit brexit plans?

If molgrips is in North Cardiff today, he can go and visit Corbyn a bit later.

Genius idea by the Labour PR team to get Corbyn to talk about school sizes in England while visiting Wales 😯

Successful troll is successful. Well done you.

Pinochet killed thousands, tortured thousands more, locked up thousands more without trial

Because of course Pinochet, for all his faults, existed in a vaccum?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/pinochet-was-a-vile-fascist-but-allende-was-no-hero-1179768.html

No surprise that you would be a Pinochet fan ninfan.

@dragon – yes, a masterpiece of planning ‘…… the number of infants in large classes had risen by 18% in three years in Wales.’

Then consider a BBC reality check – 1% of class sizes in english primary schools exceed the maximum; that doesn’t suggest any great cause for concern.

A problem for all parties is that fact checking is now robust and through t’interweb past statements can be used to compare/contrast with shiny new policies.

I am really saddened by what the labour party has become; I will vote for Hilary Benn as he is a good constituency MP and represents what used to be good about labour. As we all know he was unacceptable to comrade jezza and fellow travellers so he was marginalised by them but he is still doing good work in chairing the brexit select committee. Wish there more like him.

He was marginalised by them because he was constantly undermining and plotting against the democratically elected leader of his party.

He was marginalised by them because he was constantly undermining and plotting against the democratically elected leader of his party.

Sounds familiar.

Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends

Does she?

She does now.

Satan.

so he was marginalised by them

He marginalised himself first with his brazenly opportunistic support for bombing Syria in order to position himself as the next labour leader, and then put the final nail in his own coffin with his incompetently executed and ridiculously ill-timed putsch following the brexit vote. Before all this Corbyn made him shadow foreign secretary against the advice of many in an effort to build bridges with the moderates on the right. So please, put the violin away, Hillary Benn’s position is entirely of his own making.