Jeremy Corbyn

the need for moderates to get into politics

They’d better hurry up. Election soon. I hope they can save us from all these extremists.

Something in the middle – for sane people to vote for – would be nice, wouldn’t it?

who you missing most then Tony or Dave ?

Something in the middle – for sane people to vote for – would be nice, wouldn’t it?

Some sort of social, democratic party?

Its time to toughen up the stance and MAKE it right.

Thought you wanted to make it middle, not right? 😉

I hope this is more than a wake up call for the need for moderates to get into politics as their failure to turn up coupled with the undemocratic FPTP system has allowed extremist elements to take over this country.

This.

Thought you wanted to make it middle, not right?

😆

My bad 😳

We are a capitalist country and he would turn everything to sh-1-t, quite literally. Forget the nhs there would be no taxes to pay for it.

So. Just the usual illogical nonsense then. Rather him than someone moonlighting for Big Finance.

@jamba – yep, that was a real car crash interview by dawn butler; she wasn’t even given a hard time. In truth, the fact that she couldn’t answer soft questions was embarassing.
She introduced jezza at his campaign launch which might suggest he has some confidence in her.
She parroted that the ‘system is rigged’ but failed to provide a single example.
When asked to articulate some aspects of labour’s economic policy she talked in sweeping generalisations and then stated that Costa (as in coffee) are tax evaders.
Costa is not an independent business – it’s part of Whitbread.
Eddie Mair suggested she might not have the right coffee business; her response…..I might be confused.
What a dopey clown.
Time for her to be re-educated.
Doesn’t convey a sense of confidence.
Media will be queuing to interview her for some more enlightenment; at same time jezza’s minders will do everything to gag her.
One day in and the fun has started 😆

Nope, I said there were parallels!

Do tell.

Trump and JC are both populist and iconoclastic. Setting yourself against the media and the establishment. Both disliked by the politicians of their own party and both written off in the early stages. And I was responding specifically to the idea that his more eye-catching policies wouldn’t survive the cold shower of political reality if elected!

“Trump and JC are both populist and iconoclastic. Setting yourself against the media and the establishment. Both disliked by the politicians of their own party and both written off in the early stages.”

Yup, they’re both part of the same wave of public distrust of the establishment. Identical economy policy.

I’m struggling to think of two more similar Politicians.

We’ve done the Trump/Corbyn similarities before in this thread.

Key difference being what they are basing their spiel on.
Corybn is basing on truth (rich running the country for themselves, media doing a lot more than just reporting etc,)
Trump is basing on prejudice and lies (mexicans, muslims, climate change etc,.)

I’m struggling to think of two more similar Politicians.

😯
You should close your laptop and go and read up on the subject as its really not hard to do.
How about two people on the same side of the political spectrum with the same policies, the same outlook , the same values …you know actual similarities?

Whilst their MO to getting to power may have some similarities [ as atragic explained]- lets be honest its an attempt to be popular so you could draw parallels between anyone standing anywhere for election- However they stand for completely different things and they are not even remotely alike.

Jesus this debate is of a poor standard – no offence atragic your point was rational and reasonable but anyone struggling to think of politicians more similar than trump and corbyn should be banned from any political debate and from voting.

The two posts above sum up what I was going to say. Drawing parallels between Trump and Corbyn is incredibly lazy headline writing designed to spread baseless fear and draw attention away from the issues at hand.

I’m no Corbyn supporter but spreading lies is very much the MO of someone with little to say, and is a direct parallel with Trump.

It was a trolling statement by what appears to me to be STW’s most tedious troll at the moment, which is quite an achievement. I’m sure his mother is very proud.

big_n_daft – well here’s some of his economic policies. But no-one gives a shit because Corbyn doesn’t do his tie up properly and isn’t a Neo-liberal and is therefore insane.

https://www.ft.com/content/fe98b944-83ea-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

How about two people on the same side of the political spectrum with the same policies,

Policy: They’re both basing their campaign on serious Keynesian stimulus.

However they stand for completely different things

What they stand for: They both stand for being the voice of the forgotten people neglected by the establishment.

Aye if we just overlook the fact they are from opposite ends of the political spectrum and one is a low tax [ for the rich]firebrand right wing racist supported by the alt right and the other is a Loony left wing terrorist sympathising renationalising high taxer [ supported by the SWP] than yes you make good points about just how alike they are 🙄

Adds troll to list of those to be ignored

outofbreath – Member

Identical economy policy.

Yeah? No.

So Corbyn is trying to set himself as the anti establishment candidate, hated by the msm etc can he pull off a trump and defy the pollsters ??

Will we hear chants of ‘lock her up’ at his rallies when he brings up election fraud ? 😉

Of course he’s not planning to build a wall to keep the immigrants out, wants to massively increase stàte spending on socialist healthcare, is going to be about Union bosses rather than Goldman Sachs execs and wants nuclear disarmament rather than escalation.

So while some similarities may be there it’s just lazy saying they are the same

than yes you make good points about just how alike they are

…and similarities is exactly what mikey74 was asking for.

If he’d asked for differences I’m sure we could all provide some, but he didn’t.

STW’s most tedious troll

I apologize, trolling wasn’t my intention. I’ll stop posting for a while to give you a break.

big_n_daft – well here’s some of his economic policies. But no-one gives a shit because Corbyn doesn’t do his tie up properly and isn’t a Neo-liberal and is therefore insane.

https://www.ft.com/content/fe98b944-83ea-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

Behind a paywall, i must be left wing if I’m too cheap to pay for my news!!!

Care to cut and paste for the socialists?

Also how would these persist in the world of a “rolling manifesto” as set out by his spokesman on Newsnight?

Some sort of social, democratic party?

The kind that Polly Toynbee would join, sign the Limehouse Declaration and then stand as a a prospective MP for?

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Key points
? “No more Philip Greens”: John McDonnell promised new laws to stop a repeat of the BHS scandal, including a ban on companies taking on excessive debt to pay out dividends
? £10 minimum wage: George Osborne promised a £9 hourly “living wage” by 2020; McDonnell is promising a “real living wage” of at least £10 an hour
? Wealth taxes: McDonnell wants to shift the tax burden from income to wealth. Labour promised a mansion tax at the last election
? £250bn infrastructure plan: McDonnell wants to take advantage of low interest rates to borrow to invest. Jeremy Corbyn speaks of a £500bn infrastructure plan, once private funding taken into account

…and similarities is exactly what mikey74 was asking for.

They’re both men, they both have hair (kinda), they’re both from western countries, they both went to school – eerie isn’t it.

outofbreath you troll constantly – do you really not realise you’re doing it? Even your username sounds trolly – bet you used to have a different one.

Maybe Crbyn is just like Trump

he could sell memberships to his allotment for £200000 dollars and you could have secret meetings and influence him

that was a real car crash interview by dawn butler

Understatement. That was possibly the single worst interview I’ve had the “pleasure” of listening to. Radio 4’s PM is a key political radio show, so why roll out an MP to be interviewed who has neither the skills nor knowledge to negotiate relatively tame questioning. Do Labour even realise how damaging this buffoonery is to hopes of swaying undecided electorate? I tell you; it sways them the wrong way.

No more Philip Greens”: John McDonnell promised new laws to stop a repeat of the BHS scandal, including a ban on companies taking on excessive debt to pay out dividends

One detailed policy in this, the rest general, also note more than one Philip Green in business, but only one with a knighthood

? £10 minimum wage: George Osborne promised a £9 hourly “living wage” by 2020; McDonnell is promising a “real living wage” of at least £10 an hour

What is the date for the £10 rate? Meaningless without

? Wealth taxes: McDonnell wants to shift the tax burden from income to wealth. Labour promised a mansion tax at the last election

Where is the detail? What are they going to tax? Wealth is in many forms

? £250bn infrastructure plan: McDonnell wants to take advantage of low interest rates to borrow to invest. Jeremy Corbyn speaks of a £500bn infrastructure plan, once private funding taken into account

Is the private money via PFI’s? The Chinese? The Russians?

I was making the point that politicians trying to tap into the populist wave of anti-establishment sentiment is interesting. I understand it’s quite a well-established phenomenon after a financial crash. I wasn’t trying to have a go at JC by suggesting he’s the same as Trump.

b n d i guess you really shouldve attended his speech 😉

theres more detail in there, eg dates and sources of tax revenue

its about as detailed as the tories plan at the moment, well the ideas vaccuum that is Maybot anyway

– Claims there’s no detail because it’s not widely reported and couldn’t be bothered to look for it
– Gets detail
– Says it’s not detailed enough
– Can’t be bothered to look up the more detailed plans which are also out there but hard to find because the MSM isn’t interested

But you can find a million and one articles about his haircut, his ties, and whether or not he’s singing at some public event or other.

And yet it’s all Corbyn’s fault that no-one knows what his policies are. Hmmm….

And yet it’s all Corbyn’s fault that no-one knows what his policies are. Hmmm….

It’s extremely important as a leader to make sure your team understand where you’re going and how you want to get there. Referring once more to the car crash Dawn Butler interview on PM last night, she failed to talk about policies despite being asked – politely – several times. If your team can’t articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership. A completely wasted opportunity, and I hope for Labour’s sake it is not as damaging to them as it felt whilst I was cringing listening to it.

It’s extremely important as a leader to sure your team understand where you’re going and how you want to get there. Referring once more to the car crash Dawn Butler interview on PM last night, she failed to talk about policies despite being asked – politely – several times. If your team can’t articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership. A completely wasted opportunity, and I hope for Labour’s sake it is not as damaging to them as it felt whilst I was cringing listening to it.

problem with ‘snap’ elections

no ones got a manifesto ready, not even the Tories

@kimbers – Grum is saying the policies are there for all to see in the public domain.

see I said Corbyn would do well, if he keeps of Brexit and hammers home the NHS and Tax dodging issues he’ll do well.

well its not hard to figure out

labour
raise minimum wage, go after tax dodgers, tax rich more, scarp 0hours, invest in infrastructure & NHS, renationalise railways

same as you can figure out tory one
close libraries, demoralise and run down NHS ready for full privatisation, tax breaks for the rich, cut benefits, force people to use food banks, usual pledge to cut immigration

both with the usual helpings of stuff pensioners like to hear

I fully endorse Corb’s policies. However he’s really buggering up the communication and leadership part of it, sadly.

– Can’t be bothered to look up the more detailed plans which are also out there but hard to find because the MSM isn’t interested

They were interested last night, they kept asking for them, and again and again

@kimbers – Grum is saying the policies are there for all to see in the public domain.

He can link to a paywall article in the FT which sets out the FT analysis but not to anything else

Or is that because it is a “rolling manifesto” ?

He can link to a paywall article in the FT which sets out the FT analysis but not to anything else

Ah so it’s Corbyn/McDonnell’s fault that the media doesn’t bother to report major policy announcements they make?

Ah so it’s Corbyn/McDonnell’s fault that the media doesn’t bother to report major policy announcements they make?

Can you list the ones not reported by the media please, there must be a significant number so it should be easy

Can you list the ones not reported by the media please, there must be a significant number so it should be easy

Well there’s that one I linked to that you claimed didn’t exist for starters.