Jeremy Corbyn

Actually , the Tories don’t outwardly blame the poor.

What they do is only ever talk about the working population. If you listen to any of their speeches you’ll rarely hear them talk about people who cannot work. They might talk about getting people into work but not about the people who cannot e.g. disabled.

They have no concern for people who cannot work (edit: they do in that they want to cut benefits of those who cannot work) – which is why imo i think they’re a bunch of *****.

That’s just talking to your target audience. They’ve probably calculated that the poor are never going to vote for them anyway, not worth chasing. The same reason Jc doesn’t try and placate those earning over £70k!

Don’t forget that if Corbyn was to get in as PM, it would be very unlikely he’d be able to get through many of his more “extreme” policies (even his own party would rebel against some, so I doubt he’d even try). Therefore, we’d get a watered down version of JC politics, which may actually suit many.

The Trump parallels continue!

Are you saying Corbyn is an overly aggressive, sexist, warmongering bigot?

his more “extreme” policies

But we’re always being told he either doesn’t have any policies or that if he does, they’re not extreme.

It’s all so confusing, isn’t it?

Are you saying Corbyn is an overly aggressive, sexist, warmongering bigot?

Nope, I said there were parallels!

The election’s first “car crash” interview. May is runnung a rigged election … oopps but we voted in favour of that 🙂

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-dawn-butler-election-rigging-system_uk_58f8e32ce4b06b9cb9148e25?c3&utm_hp_ref=uk

The same reason JC doesn’t try and placate those earning over £70k!

Labour MPs earn more than £70k and he certainly doesn’t try and appeal to most of them.

Putting an avowed Marxist into the position of Shadow Chancellor is pretty extreme.

But we’re always being told he either doesn’t have any policies or that if he does, they’re not extreme.

It’s all so confusing, isn’t it?

It is a bit. I’m not saying he does have extreme policies, but it may come down to perception.

Nope, I said there were parallels!

Do tell.

many of his more “extreme” policies

Can you list out some of those extreme policies as I have not seen them?

the policy can’t work on its own.

I guess Captain Flashheart forgot to mention that.

OOB you understood my point exactly, molgrips you clearly don’t.

We’re certainly a mixed ability group.

Putting an avowed Marxist into the position of Shadow Chancellor is pretty extreme.

Because…?

outofbreath – Member
OOB you understood my point exactly, molgrips you clearly don’t.
We’re certainly a mixed ability group.

Why do you feel it necessary to insult people?

Serious question, btw.

Why do you feel it necessary to insult people?

Because he’s a troll.

JC doesn’t have any extreme policies – opinion polls consistently show that most of the public (including Tory/UKIP voters) actually agree with most of his major policies. It’s just that no-one knows what they are because the media never bothers to actually talk about them because they’re too busy slating him over vacuous bollocks, and repeatedly calling him ‘hard left’ when he’s nothing of the sort.

We’re certainly a mixed ability group.

Why do you feel it necessary to insult people?

It just slipped out. It’s inexcusable and I apologize.

So come on then, cards on the table, who ya gonna vote for?

Me, I’m in the most corrupt Labour council in the North West, Cliff Morris has had off with around £5000000 that we know of, his deputies and 30 Co council members are complicit, the elected labour MP’s in bolton wards are noted by their silence – it’s been going on since before Morris was leader, around 25 years that I can recall. I remember Prescott coming to sort out “irregularities” in Tong Ward Labour club and washing his hands of the mess during Blair’s tenure.
Im a member of cross party political groups baying for Morris and Co blood.

I’m a paid up Green member.

I will be voting David Crausby. Lab.

I won’t be voting this time.

I’ve only voted once – when I lived in a marginal and there was a single issue I cared about. Now that was power. In the end there were five votes in it. It didn’t go my way but I can’t claim my voice wasn’t heard.

ulysse – Member

So come on then, cards on the table, who ya gonna vote for?

We’ve got a pretty good MP and no need to tactical vote so, SNP (there’s no getting away from the fact that a good proportion of SNP MPs are absolute donkeys- the party put all the good people into Holyrood and then stuck losers in seats all across scotland in the certainty that they stood no chance, then accidentally got almost all of them elected. But mine is good)

Because…?

We are a capitalist country and he would turn everything to sh-1-t, quite literally. Forget the nhs there would be no taxes to pay for it.

Labour.

I voted for JC as leader, little aware of the shitestorm of infighting and incompetence to come.
Like pretty much everyone else, I wasn’t anticipating Brexit/Trump, or the mass spewing forth of hatred and ignorance which followed.
I’d have voted differently, had I thought otherwise.

C’est la guerre.

outofbreath – Member
We’re certainly a mixed ability group.
Why do you feel it necessary to insult people?
It just slipped out. It’s inexcusable and I apologize.

It wasn’t really aimed at you, more just a pointless shout in the dark, really.

For people who supposedly come together to enjoy each others company, we (me included, obviously) certainly have an odd way of showing it sometimes.
🙂

JC doesn’t have any extreme policies – opinion polls consistently show that most of the public (including Tory/UKIP voters) actually agree with most of his major policies.

What are they?

What are the specific policy initiatives to changed our “rigged” system?

What are the specific policies to tackle tax avoidance?

What are the detailed education policies?

It’s just that no-one knows what they are because the media never bothers to actually talk about them because they’re too busy slating him over vacuous bollocks, and repeatedly calling him ‘hard left’ when he’s nothing of the sort

I listened to the mainstream media ask his MP put up for interview what the policies were repeatedly, the only one put forward was something vague about publishing tax returns

I voted for JC as leader, little aware of the shitestorm of infighting and incompetence to come.

To be fair the talent pool that stepped up wasn’t deep and all the candidates were deeply flawed and tainted with the past. I couldn’t suggest one who would have labour in a position to fight for a victory in June. It would just be a better organised rearguard action

And as you survey the scene, has that talent pool improved any?

Having said that, May is now leader of the Conservative Party and JC is a towering intellect compared to her!

a towering intellect compared to her!

2 E grades at A level. Towering…….

How am I voting?

I have a sitting Tory MP who is an utter **** of the highest order. A misogynistic, homophobic racist. Here’s one of his finer moments. Then there’s this. A total ****! Typical Tory. He also forgets where his constituency is other than for the odd photo opportunity, between elections.

Oh…. I tell a lie…. he always turns up to vote through huge budget cuts to our/his local council

The Labour candidate, who lost by 300 votes last time is a thoroughly decent bloke. Him and his wife both run successful local businesses (Tory-lite Blairite scum eh?). So you can guess they’re opinion on Corbyn.

So despite the fact that I despise Corbyn, and his useless 6th form politics, and the fact that he’s busy destroying the Labour Party, I’m voting Labour to try and get rid of the utter **** who is presently my elected representative.

And the old adage always applies: anyone but the ****ing Tories!

CaptainFlashheart – Member
2 E grades at A level. Towering…….

Are you seriously expecting me to believe that your measure of intelligence for two senior citizens is the grades they received at school?

Really?

And as you survey the scene, has that talent pool improved any?

Yes, but they were hoping to have the option in 2019 prior to a 2020 election

How good they will be in reality is a different question

It’s a starting point as an indicator of intellect.

To suggest that Jezza’s a towering intellect is rather a stretch.

I think it’s been an interesting insight into democracy and the baser aspects of human nature.
🙂

I’ve lost an awful lot of respect for people in the PLP, the media and elsewhere over this.
I’m amazed that the ignorance, hate and bigotry evident in the referendum and the US election have been so readily embraced by all aspects of our society, almost with glee.

We really do get the politicians we deserve.

So despite the fact that I despise Corbyn, and his useless 6th form politics, and the fact that he’s busy destroying the Labour Party, I’m voting Labour to try and get rid of the utter **** who is presently my elected representative

This is why I think Labour will do better than expected.

There will be plenty of people who vote Labour in spite of Corbyn for all kinds of reasons.

Unless it becomes all about the EU in which case remainers will vote liberal and leavers will vote Cons regardless and Labour won’t get a look in.

Are you seriously expecting me to believe that your measure of intelligence for two senior citizens is the grades they received at school?
Really?

I believe Mrs May got a lowly second in Geography from Oxford (St Hugh’s College)

Of course, I think we could probably say that her 20 years going from the Bank of England and Head of European Affairs at the Association for Payment Clearing Services before becoming an MP may have more relevance to her suitability as PM than what she studied at uni.

Wonder how Jezza’s career measures up?

We are a capitalist country and he would turn everything to sh-1-t, quite literally. Forget the nhs there would be no taxes to pay for it.

Dad Blair cripple the country with his 14 years of economic growth up until the 2008 GLOBAL crash?
Were Brown and Darling turning the tide from the global crash by using economic stimulus, government spending and tax cuts up until 2010?

Followed by Osborn’s triple dip recession- it felt more like a depression up North…
Did Osbornomics lose the UK it’s Moody’s AAA economic rating?

Followed by Osborn’s triple dip recession-

#Fakenews

Oooh, nearly a triple dip, saved by 0.3 increase in GDP, ill bet the treasury were clicking their heels as they all drank champagne that day eh?
#Tory closed ideology echo chamber #Bought MsM

Well over the years I have voted Tory, Green, Plaid & Lib Dem, so I guess it is time to give Labour a chance to prove themselves. I was out of the country during the Blair years or perhaps I would have voted for him. What we really need is a credible Social Democratic party. Leave Labour to the Lefties, the Tories to the Right wingers and give the rest of us something meaningful to vote for that isn’t the Liberals with all their historical baggage. Or give us PR and see what happens 🙂

Oooh, nearly a triple dip, saved by 0.3 increase in GDP, ill bet the treasury were clicking their heels as they all drank champagne that day eh?

No – there wasn’t even a double dip once the ONS revised the GDP up for Q1 2012

Welshfarmer, Thats why im normally a Green, but i cant let my ideology get in the way of stopping the most destructive party in history from carrying on their demolition of the UK, enriching the rich at the expense of the poor, starving our most vulnerable, working people defendant on charity, and most importantly murdering so far 6000 to 8000 disabled and unemployed.

welshfarmer – couldn’t agree more. I don’t want to be faced with the option of John Redwood style, right wing, foaming-at-the-mouth nut jobs, or 70’s style left-wing, Wolfe Smith fruitcakes, both as detatched from reality as each other, but it appears that that’s my options.

Something in the middle – for sane people to vote for – would be nice, wouldn’t it?

Are you seriously expecting me to believe that your measure of intelligence for two senior citizens is the grades they received at school?

First you have to ask yourself, Are you actually expecting CFH to offer anything of substance to this thread?

Voting Libdem. Don’t want to, they helped the instigator of this mess gain power in 2010, but needs must.

I hope this is more than a wake up call for the need for moderates to get into politics as their failure to turn up coupled with the undemocratic FPTP system has allowed extremist elements to take over this country.

It getting way past the time for moderates to keep expecting that a moderate position in Uk politics will just fall into place, just look at the last thirty or so years to see how that worked out, Its time to toughen up the stance and MAKE it right.