Jeremy Corbyn

oldnpastit – Member
C’mon Jamby, dusting off that old nominal-value spending graph? There’s been quite a bit of inflation in the UK over the years, did you forget?

He will keep getting out the same graphs that he thinks supports his ideas.
Spending and outcomes are not aligned, spending increases are not keeping up with needs, ageing populations mean an increase in the costs above the rate of pay ins. It’s almost as if poor Jamby has never seen the back of a health care system and believes whatever the Tory party tell him.

There’s been quite a bit of inflation in the UK over the years, did you forget?

You raise a good point. Inflation in health costs is running at 4% (ageing population and more expensive treatment). So an increase of 20%+ every 5 year Parliament. No political party is addressing that challenge. Also Defence costs are rising faster than nominal inflation but spending there has been approximately flat since 1980’s

Labour being stuck in the 1970’s believe “the NHS” is solid election winning ground for them. Now it may be if they where remotely credible elsewhere, but they are not.

Binners and I agree on this point that Labour are 20% behind in the polls without being attaked by Tories. Its going to be brutal, in some respects I feel sorry for Corbyn he is going to be crushed and totally humiliated.

Some MPs will be voting for a GE partly so Labour can ne heavily defeated and a new leader elected

The conservatives might be brutal towards Jezza, Labour definitely will:

https://order-order.com/2017/04/18/woodcock-cant-endorse-corbyn-still-time-stand/%5B/url%5D

The trick for the conservatives will be deciding on how much of a kicking they give him – enough to destroy him without making him look too much like a (terrorist loving ) victim.

enough to destroy him without making him look too much like a (terrorist loving ) victim.

terrorist lover is a strange one really, some very genuine comments after Martin Mcguinness died, you don’t make peace with your friends. Without dialogue there would have been no peace and somebody has to take that chance. History will judge

Without dialogue there would have been no peace and somebody has to take that chance.

It wasn’t dialog though, was it, it was enthusiastically supporting the act of terrorism:

It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.

And if he thinks bombs and bullets have brought Britain to the negotiating table once, does he think the the act of Khalid Masood might also bring Britain to the negotiating table?

That one quote would have finished any other Uk politician. These guys have been saying (and doing) mental things for decades when they were backbenchers and nobody was watching – we’re going to hear them all played back during this election.

That one quote would have finished any other Uk politician.

Yet of course it’s just fine for Maggie to be best buddies with and a great supporter of mass-murdering dictators like Pinochet – who’ve killed many orders of magnitude more people than the IRA ever have, for a much less justifiable cause.

Or for Liam Fox to toady up to ‘I throw people out of helicopters’ Duterte, or for Teresa May to toady up to one of the worst governments in the world who are currently using our weapons to commit war crimes.

The double standards and hypocrisy of our press and tory politicians is absolutely breathtaking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

And that is before you get to states like Iran that terrorise their own people and who Jezza is happy to get paid by their propaganda machine.

And his friends in Hamas – in this video dragging their victims bodies through the streets:

And that is before you get to states like Iran that terrorise their own people and who Jezza is happy to get paid by their propaganda machine.

And his friends in Hamas – in this video dragging their victims bodies through the streets:

Typical and entirely unsurprising that you’ve completely ignored the fact that the Tory party’s greatest hero is a great friend and passionate defender of a vicious mass-murderer, and that the government is currently toadying up to some of the worst human rights abusers in the world.

Can you explain why that’s apparently perfectly fine please? Didn’t think so.

BBC 6’oclock news. “That idiot Corbyn” … from an (ex)Labour voter in Tory target seat of Bolton.

What might be interesting is if the election campaign allows people to actually see beyond the jamba-esque smears and consider what might be their best interest. There was a lot about how Brexit was a protest against being forgotten by the endless Tory drive to enrich the already rich. That was obviously misguided since Brexit will put them even more comprehensively under the thumb, but what if those people actually voted to change something that will make a difference?

but what if those people actually voted to change something that will make a difference?

Like increasing minimum wage, taxing the rich (over £75K), spending more money on NHS and elderly care. A lot of people would be better off and happier under a non tory government but that is not what the papers are telling them is it.

Corbyn could do much better if he played the man not the ball/ had a decent campaign manager.

Interviewer: So what are your views on how the Brexit negotiations should be handled?

JC: This issue and others should be discussed in a public debate, the voters want it.

I: You bum the IRA

JC: I want to use this interview to demand a public debate. The people of this country want a live TV debate, like in America.

etc

taxing the rich (over £75K)

Now we know Corbyn considers himself as rich.

JC: This issue and others should be discussed in a public debate, the voters want it.

I: You bum the IRA

JC: I want to use this interview to demand a public debate. The people of this country want a live TV debate, like in America.

Yes, saying the same words in a different order regardless of the question is definitely the way to go.

Now we know Corbyn considers himself as rich.

Yes. And?

I consider myself rich too. That doesn’t mean I want to sh1t on poorer people.

A lot of people would be better off and happier under a non tory government

If there was a low risk way to improve things that simply required borrowing half a trillion, wouldn’t all previous UK Governments and all current European governments have done it? There are a lot of votes in ‘making things better’.

If it was simple it would already have happened, n’est pas?

Taxing the rich?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/u-k-s-top-1-of-earners-now-paying-a-quarter-of-all-income-tax

If there was a low risk way to improve things that simply required borrowing half a trillion, wouldn’t all previous UK Governments and all current European governments have done it? There are a lot of votes in ‘making things better’.

If it was simple it would already have happened, n’est pas?
Depends if you want to really, ideology plays a very big part in all of this and you have to decide who’s life you are trying to make better.

You can’t blame people and help them.
Someone needs to be punished.

That’s what people like to see.

Conveniently, we have an underclass, a feral, barely human sector of society we can take our petty hatred out on.
And they don’t feel pain like middle class people do.

beyond the jamba-esque smears

Jeremy Corbyn “has created a safe space for anti-Semites in the Labour Party”. House of Commons Home Affairs Commitee.

This plus numerous other quotes from the man himself

Nobody is smearing Corbyn they are just pointing out who he really is, a deeply misguided individual who has willingly allowed his position as an MP to be manipulated by racists, homophobes, holocaust deniers and outright terrorists.

CFH nasty Tories eh ?

Meanwhile, the government’s policy of gradually raising the point at which people start paying income tax meant that the share of the adult population paying it fell to 56.2 percent from 65.7 percent.

Corbyn has scored a massive own goal with this “tax the rich” line as he is immediately reinforcing the idea of Labour as tax and spend and aimed squarely at the Middle Class. People are not daft, rich = £75k pa today becoming £60k then £50k ….

CFH nasty Tories eh ?

Well if you want a carefully chosen quote from that article here’s mine.

The shift is partly the result of long-term trends. In 1978-79, the richest 1 percent paid 11 percent of total income-tax receipts. Since then, growing inequality has meant that the larger tax burden on the richest reflects their rising incomes.

Put simply, they’ve got more income so they’re paying a bit more tax.

you have to decide who’s life you are trying to make better

Surely they have to try to make life better for the majority of voters or nobody votes for them.

In general terms the labour party takes longer to consider the font on the bog roll packet that what a true blue like you think jambalaya.

Taxing the rich?

Aren’t enough of ’em and they’re mobile. To raise revenue you have to tax the people in the middle.

Surely they have to try to make life better for the majority of voters or nobody votes for them.

You would think that wouldn’t you. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that.

Stay calm, let’s see what Corbyn has to say. You cannot argue that some of the issues over tax are not true. Highlighting the activities of some companies and there owners will get a sympathetic hearing from many.

You would think that wouldn’t you.

Yes, because it’s self evidently true.

Aren’t enough of ’em and they’re mobile. To raise revenue you have to tax the people in the middle

Fine with me. Happy to pay more tax if the money is going to NHS, elderly care, lower earners etc,.

I am lucky to earn a fair amount of money, a lot of people are not so lucky.

It’s not though is it? You need to sway a small number of swing voters of most times and bribe a small number of constituencies. That is what the numbers back up.

Yes, because it’s self evidently true

You keep telling yourself that.

You need to sway a small number of swing voters of most times and bribe a small number of constituencies.

Not sure that’s as true in this election as previously. Corbyn has the problem of needing to simultaneously please his left-leaning core, his UKIP-tempted core, whatever bit of the even-lefter core in Scotland that remains, then parts of middle England he needs to win marginals there.

Putting it frankly, the disaster in Scotland for Labour means that the party has to be all things to all people to stand a chance of getting anywhere near power, even as part of a coalition.

Blair had it easy – his solid base of Scottish and Welsh support and no competition for the vote in the industrial North of England meant that he was free to compete on the middle ground in the rest of England.

Yes I was meaning historically, Labour needs to abandon Scotland, the tories will not make ground there with their current policies. Dealing with Brexit is the biggest issue at the front but there are many other deep ones out there.

Putting it frankly, the disaster in Scotland for Labour

Exactly. You simply cannot lose 50 seats and still win. The only way Labour will have a chance is with a SNP/Labour coalition.

Labour needs to relaunch as a separate, proper competitor to the SNP in Scotland. It is bizarre that Scotland’s left is so unrepresented either in its own Parliament or Westminster.

The only way Labour will have a chance is with a SNP/Labour coalition.

Which cannot work at present as the concept of SNP power-sharing is utterly toxic south of the border.

There’s no need for a coalition with the SNP. He knows they’ll not support a Tory Govt. so he only needs their support.

obody is smearing Corbyn they are just pointing out who he really is, a deeply misguided individual who has willingly allowed his position as an MP to be manipulated by racists, homophobes,

There you go again. As I said – if people see beyond this nonsense maybe they’ll see where their interests actually lie.

Brace yourselves!

The great man is about to speak!

I’m living in hope that he can be slightly better than useless, as the prospect of the Maybot in power for another 5 years, with a thumping great majority, pursuing the hardest Brexit imaginable, and tearing everything up in the process, is just too depressing for words.

I’m not confident 😥

From @pixelatedboat on Twitter:

Corbyn means well but he’s a bit shit. That’s why I’m going to vote for some rich **** who want me to die.

Come on Binners show a bit of faith, look at his track record.