Jeremy Corbyn

No simply down to the fact that the working/middle class do not have a common cause (unlike Scotland with its national identity)

Basically we have nothing to agree on. People like me fundamentally a liberal lefty by nature and a Tory by circumstance of business, home and degree educated kids make up a lot of the electorate.

I clearly understand that Labour will borrow money and give it to people who may or may not deserve it and the Tories who will borrow money and give it to themselves.

I think many people like me have been reasonably successful in life in spite of various governments desire to drive off a cliff (fiscal or otherwise)

I can not vote for Corbyn or May as both these individuals have agendas that will only damage me my business and my kids prospects.

There is no one to vote for for most people at the moment and without a common cause I think we may see a Tory government for the next 30 to 40 years possibly longer.

Oh and when Major and Blair sound like a sensible option you know how deep the shit is.

That’s an incredibly disappointing outlook! 🙁

I don’t think the poor sods who voted for Brexit have any idea what an un fettered Tory govt will do to them

Grammar schools
Tax haven
Higher personal tax
Reduced employment rights
Reduced benefits
Inflation
Housing shortage (higher rents)
Rising intrest rates
NHS that you pay for

Not a country that’s for poor people. As I have said they have no political representation.

Corbyn, drive ? Shurley shome mishtake ?

More hyperbole. We have a Tory government with a slim majority

Under Cameron defeated three times, not yet under May in HoC

“More hyperbole. We have a Tory government with a slim majority”

This.

When John Major had a similar majority everyone accepted he was pretty much neutered. God knows why the current administration is somehow considered unfettered. They’ve been cancelling legislation hand over fist.

Because the opposition are utter bawbags.

bawbags

For those south of the border:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39266992

Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn accused the government of being “complacent”.

The complacency is probably unrelated to the opposition compelling their MPs to vote with the Government.

It’s as if the most basic, primary school level understanding of cause and effect completely eludes him.

Meanwhile Liam Fox was today talking about the need to ‘deregulate the labour market’. What do you think that’s going to entail then Jezza?

It’d be funny if it weren’t so tragic!

It’s as if the most basic, primary school level understanding of cause and effect completely eludes him.

Given the situation complacency of the Govt is deeply embarrassing for him personally and plays into the hands of his critics. How the hell he thinks drawing attention to it is a good idea is beyond me.

Mind you, I don’t think the Govt *are* complacent. I think they are terrified. They really have no clue how this is going to turn out and they don’t have a big enough majority to force through anything remotely unpopular. Now the headache of keeping Scotland on board comes along.

I can’t think of a worst time in the modern era to be PM apart from the weeks after the Argentine invasion of the Falklands which by all accounts had a similar “Oh ****, what the ****ing **** are we going to do.” air of panic about it.

Corbyn – more brilliance, his definition of success when discussion the second Indy Referendum 🙂

But a source close to Jeremy Corbyn said: “We’ve said in the past that was a failure, which is why we had our own campaign during the EU referendum.

Indy Ref Labour won
EU Ref Labour lost

“EU Ref Labour lost”

Well they won in the sense that they got what they wanted…

🙂 the leader anyway

It happens to me too. I go into a meeting thinking “Don’t say Chaos, don’t say Chaos.” …and then I blurt out “Chaos”. (Or whatever the word I need to avoid is.)

…JC is well on the way to becoming May’s straight man. Cannon, to May’s Ball. Earnie to May’s Eric. Sets up the lines week after week.

I believe it was another masterful performance at PMQ’s. The government faced a rebellion over its proposed raises to NI contributions to the people deemed to be their natural core support, forcing it into a U Turn

Jeremy completely omitted to even mention it, and just chuntered on to himself, aimlessly instead.

Brilliant!

Once again faced with an open goal, he spoons it into row Z.

Eh – did you watch last week’s or something Binners?
It was a bit weird for him to ask what the hole in the budget would be filled by, but he definitely pushed it. He asked for an apology from the PM for all the stress and chaos caused for people who would have been effected over the last week.

He did mention it watching it now, weak is barely suffiecient enough to describe it… the man has no authority what so ever.

the man has no authority what so ever.

Reminds me of one of my uncles. He could be sat in the corner of your room right now, not that you’d know it.

Alex – stress for those affected ? It only affected those on over £40k pa (some commentators said £60k), the changes where small (frankly tiny) and there where phased in. Being self employed is a massive tax dodge opportunity, tax free dividends, sharing income between “employees”, deferring income/tax, loans with minimal benefit in kind taxation. As Hammond’s letter says self employed are paying £5bn pa less in tax/ni than equivalent employees and this will rise to £6bn pa by 2020. The Govt is conducting an invstigation into the impact but the conclusion is obvious. I openly posted on here a while ago that I am focused on non PAYE work as it’s so beneficial tax wise.

I assume Jamba that you are not self employed or running a small limited company
?

Ironic that the Tories (a) screwed up and (b) get flak for introducing a progressive tax change. Its an amusingly ironic world that we live in, ful of wonderful contradiction.

I know nothing about rhe Dutch Labour party – if it is similar to our version – but their failure yesterday makes Jezza look quite good. 😉

Being self employed is a massive tax dodge opportunity, tax free dividends, sharing income between “employees”, deferring income/tax, loans with minimal benefit in kind taxation

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You are absolutely confusing being self-employed up with running a company. One is employed and pays NIC, PAYE, CT, Dividend Tax the other pays income tax and NIC.

Either position can be abused. But do no conflate the two.

Do you understand how the loans system works?

Dodging tax is generally the preserve of high earners no matter the state of employment . As long as you can avoid a tax scheme you can pay a specialist to perform all sorts of magic. It’s not the preserve of the self employed.

We went through a major VAT inspection a few years ago. They almost tore my company apart to find they owed ME £140.

Did I mention we pass on VAT too?

I’ve been both self employed and in a company structure and neither saves me much tax.

jamba – you seem to be confusing JC’s comments with my own.
I put my comments in the appropriate thread.

We went through a major VAT inspection a few years ago. They almost tore my company apart to find they owed ME £140.

Had similar when I was a contractor. They found a payment of £23 into my account that I couldn’t explain. All other payments being regular, and in the thousands.

“You owe us the VAT on that” the inspector said with a sense of smugness.

Then I found an old VAT rebate notification. £23.

🙂

“Ironic that the Tories (a) screwed up and (b) get flak for introducing a progressive tax change. Its an amusingly ironic world that we live in, ful of wonderful contradiction.”

I do love seeing Labour arguing against a Tax rise and simultaneously asking where the shortfall is coming from in an overspend.

Reminds me of China telling the USA off for spending too much on welfare!

Alex, understood

@rone, the NIC change impacted those earning £40k (or £60k depending on source) – high earners ? I forget the avg impact £240pa wasn’t it ?

Self employed / small limited company tne two go together imo

As someone who has a good well paid job under PAYE I can say there are pretty much zero “tax dodge’s” available. We have got to the point where saving for retirement starts being called a tax dodge while those on defined benefots schemes like Surgeons and MPs attract zero critism.

jamba, can you tell me how I can get some of those “tax free dividends” ?

Being a ltd company owner, I’m all ears. The only dividends I can currently access are after corporation tax of 20% has been paid and then I can access up to £5k (coming down to £2k following the budget) without paying additional tax. Otherwise it’s an additional 7.5% tax up to the higher rate threshold, then it jumps up to 32.5%.

Self employed / small limited company tne two go together imo

Rubbish. That’s such a generalisation as to not make any sense if you’re trying to objectively analyse tax status.

As someone who has a good well paid job under PAYE I can say there are pretty much zero “tax dodge’s” available

That’s because you have not employed the services of a creative accountant.

You absolutely can.

Being a ltd company owner, I’m all ears. The only dividends I can currently access are after corporation tax of 20% has been paid and then I can access up to £5k (coming down to £2k following the budget) without paying additional tax.

Absolutely.

Two of us: We pay 20% Corp, then a bit of PAYE/NIC and then tax on dividends.

We’ve been taxed at 3 different points.

@rone, the NIC change impacted those earning £40k (or £60k depending on source) – high earners ? I forget the avg impact £240pa wasn’t it ?

I didn’t mentioned anything about the NIC U-turn / rise. I was saying that high-earners in general can make the best use of creative accountancy because the fees/commission are so high to do it you have to be making it worth your while.

Besides the ‘mean-old’ Tories can’t surely justify the NIC rise and the Corporation tax reduction? I mean what signal does that send out.

Idiots.

A perfect summary of the disaster that is Corbyn, in an open letter to the idiots who’ve kept him there, by Nick Cohen

It’s kicking off

Tom Watson? @tom_watson the twitter war is on against Jon Lansman

Is blaming labour party members who voted for Corbyn now the agreed line? Are they going to extend this logic to the nation at large? It’s all the fault of those bloody voters isn’t it! It’s highly ironic that Cohen quotes a labour MP that Corbyn is undermining democracy when this line of argument has the implicit implication that voters shouldn’t be allowed a choice. If he and his ilk really believe that the people who voted for Corbyn did so because they thought it would usher in a 20th century style socialist revolution then getting rid of Corbyn will make no difference.

It’s all academic. This ineffective moron needs to be gone! And he needs to be gone now! Because the stakes are so high, and it’s an insult to the electorate for him to even use the title ‘leader of the opposition’.

It’s a testament to how detatched from reality him and his sixth form followers are from reality that they’ve got the front to continue with their pathetic, totally ineffective lefty project! Self-indulgence at its most extreme. But then they won’t be the ones paying the price as this catastrophe unfolds, will they?

Don’t disagree that he needs to go. But not learning the lessons of why he was elected in the first place will result in the same thing as it did before – defeat. Without wanting to go over old ground, you need to see beyond Corbyn. What labour members expect is not a hard-left marxist revolution, but a leadership which listens to them and a government which represents them. If you believe Cohen instead they’re going to get a leadership which blames the membership for whatever failings may occur in future.