Jeremy Corbyn

The only way for Labour to proceed with any credibility, is to put in a proper left-wing candidate and go in with everything they’ve got.
Mobilise the full door-to-door forces and try and win it on current Labour pledges.

It’ll either win or fail, but at least it wont be another dire wishy-washy halfway-house like we’ve had with the London Mayor race.

t’ll either win or fail, but at least it wont be another dire wishy-washy halfway-house like we’ve had with the London Mayor race.

Who won that, I cant recall?

He’s going to completely destroy the Labour Party and deliver permanent Tory rule

Do you really lay all the blame at Corbyn’s door? He’s a scapegoat for the cluelessness of those who went before him. In fact I’d go as far as saying that the majority of labour MPs are actually quite glad about the current situation as it gives them a convenient excuse to cover up their own incompetence.

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He’s a scapegoat for the cluelessness of those who went before him.

Like Blair and Brown who delivered Labour Governments from 1997 till 2010

“He’s a scapegoat for the cluelessness of those who went before him.”

Cluelessness?

Labour a been near enough right on the money for decades. It was so close in 2010 that the Tories won no outright majority and Cams 2015 majority was tiny.

Before that they won 3 in a row.

^^ this and had Brown managed the fallout from 2007/8 better (and shown a bit more personality, something he only did after he lost) they would have won in 2010 IMO

Hang on Gordi single-handedly saved the world during the GFC….what more could he have done?

Millibean managed to run the Tories pretty close, and Camerons majority was paper thin. He didn’t even think he could win. Hence his gift of the referendum he never for a second thought he’d have to deliver.

Corbyns 6th form Socialist Project is presently polling 16 points behind the Tory party. People say that polling isn’t actually accurate, and I agree. I think that in reality the situation for the Labour Party is far far worse than that. Those polls are hopelessly optimistic for the useless beardy communist.

If there were an election tomorrow the party would be completely decimated. If I can find a bookie who’ll take my money, I’m having a serious punt on the Labour Party being reduced to under 100 seats! as what happened in Scotland last time takes hold of the rest of the Uk, and nailed on Labour seats go to the Tory’s and even worse UKIP! I know lifelong Labour Party members who’ve left in disgust and say they simply can’t support this bunch of leftie clowns. Two words… Dianne Abbott

So spare me the crap about ‘biggest membership of any party in Europe’! By the only measure that counts in a democracy – getting elected – Corbyn has been, and will be an absolute unmitigated disaster. He’s about to bring about the end of the Labour Party as a political force. An amazing achievement, given the timescale he’s had

You have done sterling work to protect the labour party binners and lefties everywhere thank you for you unswerving efforts on behalf of the party
The reality is he won the election again like everyone knew he would

Until such time as the labour MPs and “supporters” can accept what the membership want then we will have this massive schism]]I am sorry your brand of labour is not as popular with the party as you wish but insulting them and predicting doom is not the best recipe for the parties long term prospects.
MPs doing their best to ruin the party is a complete recipe for disaster, to then blame corbyn for this is the height of cheek

I did not think much of Milliband either but i did not spend my time ranting about him as he was still better than the alternative

Well I do apologise for not wanting to see the end of the Labour Party, and the permanent Tory/UKIP rule that will then deliver. But apparently that’s all a price worth paying for the Momentum 6th formers to carry on with their hopelessly self-indulgent virtue-signalling

Dont worry binns, the history of the labour party combines a remarkable ability to win new members and then lose them very quickly. As in many aspects of their current difficulties, too few remember the lessons of history – not least why they lost the last election!

Hang on Gordi single-handedly saved the world during the GFC….what more could he have done?

Before that he had “ended Boom and Bust”

Until such time as the labour MPs and “supporters” can accept what the membership want then we will have this massive schism]]I am sorry your brand of labour is not as popular with the party as you wish but insulting them and predicting doom is not the best recipe for the parties long term prospects.
MPs doing their best to ruin the party is a complete recipe for disaster, to then blame corbyn for this is the height of cheek

and the takeover is complete, Militant could only dream of such success

I do apologise for not wanting to see the end of the Labour Party

predicting its demise constantly and attacking it repeatedly is of course the method by which anyone demonstrates this desire and of course its all their fault you act like this.
TBH the usual RW on here are more balanced and less shitty than you on this point

I’m not attacking the Labour Party. I’m attacking the clueless muppet who’s presently masquerading as its leader, his half-witted cabal, and the hopelessly naive, self-indulgent idiots propping him up.

I forgot though…. it’s verboten to criticise the glorious leader, isn’t it? That way lies bricks through windows and tweeted death threats from those cuddly lefties.

And the right wingers on here won’t attack him for obvious reasons. He’s all their birthdays and Christmas’s come at once

Feel free to keep denying reality and shooting the messenger though. Perish the thought that anyone singing the red flag might have to deal with the world as it is, as opposed to how they’d like it to be, in their discussions in the common room

Fearless speaking of truth to power here from @cadoret. Wish more Twitter users were as brave. pic.twitter.com/j2mkiDnB3O

— Tom Peck (@tompeck) April 13, 2016

You couldn’t make it up, or perhaps he did…..

Q: Evidence ?
A: The quote is from Corbyn’s spokesmen

🙂

‘m not attacking the Labour Party. I’m attacking the clueless muppet who’s presently masquerading as its leader, his half-witted cabal, and the hopelessly naive, self-indulgent idiots propping him up.

so that would be the labour party members who just voted overwhelmingly for him again that you are not criticising then and not attacking with these words of diplomacy that even trump would baulk at:roll:

I see i have no method of reaching past your hyperbole so i shall try no further

singing the red flag

Today’s festive Trivia, a classic French Christmas Song (I only learnt about it this year), Constantin Rossi from 1946. My Beautiful Christmas Tree. I wonder who was first ? EDIT: Mrs B has googled it, originally German O Tannenbaum from 1550, Red Flag 1889, Maryland State song from 1939

I see i have no method of reaching past your hyperbole

Oh the ironing

I shall try no further

Now that would be the perfect Christmas Present 🙂

Come on JY…. give us a hug comrade

Happy to you lovable wee scamp you

I am glad you have someone else to google for you, must be a FT job, but how did you not realise the tune was the same 😯

Like Blair and Brown who delivered Labour Governments from 1997 till 2010

Or you could easily say that Blair and Brown haemorrhaged votes for 20 years after John Smith (and Neil Kinnock before him) made them electable. It was only the fact that the tories were in such disarray that kept them in power. Despite that, their hubris lead them to believe in the invincibility of their own rhetoric, when all the while they couldn’t see that they were eroding the base which kept them in power. The present problem were not caused by Corbyn to say otherwise is just silly. He may well be amplifying them, and I agree that it will end in tears, but labour MPs should not be under any illusions as to the causes of the current problems. They last won an election in 2005. That’s quite a while ago now.

Or you could easily say that Blair and Brown haemorrhaged votes for 20 years after John Smith (and Neil Kinnock before him) made them electable

You could say that

But it would be untrue

Smith took over in July 92, from that point on he had a slight lead in the voting intention polls (+4 to +6%) until Black Wednesday in September, when Labour shot to +10% and then averaged out at +16 to +18%. The Highest polling lead Labour had under Smiths lead was +22% in March ’94, a few weeks before his death

The first poll with Blair as leader saw him come in with a +33% voting intention, rising over the course of that year to +39% and maintaining a high twenties lead most of the way through to the election in 97, including through clause iv reform. In fact, during the two and a half years of Blairs leadership prior to the election, the voting intention poll only dropped to below +22% (John Smiths highest lead) six times, topping T an incredible +39% and heading into the actual ’97 election with a lead of +18, a lead that Smith had only ever achieved himself in the weeks before he died.

Post ’97 election, Labour maintained this +22% and above (again, higher than John Smiths biggest lead) unblemished for another two years, only losing their overall lead for a few weeks post 9/11 before returning to polling in the high teens and twenties once again.

So, the facts tell us that rather than haemorrhaging votes, Blair continued to increase and maintain labours lead far beyond the best that Smith ever achieved.
But let’s not have the pesky facts getting in the way of the good old anti-Blair leftie rhetoric, eh?

They last won an election in 2005. That’s quite a while ago now.

And when did the left wing of the party last win an election?

Dire French movie on TV now (watched the excellent Lady in the Van earlier) so …..

I remember John Smith, he was certainly a special politician. However we will never know what he might have achieved at an election. Kinnock laid the foundations for Blair by getting rid of the militant left. I wonder who will do that now and when ?

but labour MPs should not be under any illusions as to the causes of the current problems. They last won an election in 2005. That’s quite a while ago now.

Current problems, ie today totally due to Corbyn being the leader. Most of the 2005 winning MPs opposed Corbyn as they know he is electoral poison. Increasingly the Labour Party is being taken over by peope who have never won an election and never will.

When Labour were 39% up in the polls under Blair were Tories saying that the Tory party was doomed forever? Genuine question I was not really interested in politics at the time.

Has Jerremy Corbyn been to Liverpool recently? Also silver shadow rebrand is a nice touch.
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David Milliband isn’t going to be back. From the Telegrapgh

David Miliband, the former Labour MP who is now president of the US-based International Rescue Committee, receives £530,922. His charity has been given £3.6m in British aid.

I was surprised to see that this has now reached 332 pages.

I don’t like the bloke, I can never see, or wish to see him as a leader of this country.

However, I cannot understand why after all of the 332 pages, people are still supporting or hating the bloke. Just make your point and then move on.

Are you new to this internet thing? 😀

Current problems, ie today totally due to Corbyn being the leader.

Yes, of course. The fact that much of the northern base have either stopped voting or defected to UKIP is entirely the fault of Jeremy Corbyn, and not Ed Miliband, Yvette Cooper, Ed Balls, Chukka Umunna, Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown etc..

Corbyn is the problem in as much that the membership voted for him twice. Why did they do that though? Are we supposed to believe it was his sparkling wit and charisma? Or was it because of the mistakes of his predecessors?

For lots of people immigration fears trump every other political issue by some margin ( not well informed stw’ers obviously).
So whilst Labour, Lib Dems, Green or any party arent making appealing noises on that subject they haven’t a chance.

I blame the recent hipster fashion for beards

“For lots of people immigration fears trump every other political issue by some margin ( not well informed stw’ers obviously).
So whilst Labour, Lib Dems, Green or any party arent making appealing noises on that subject they haven’t a chance.”

I’ve no idea if this is right or wrong but Ed Balls has taken your view. He’s done Strictly and on TW he was forthright about immigration.

@dazh because the infiltrators want to turn the Labour party into a sort of AWL / SWP, thats a win for them as they then have some MPs whereas now they have zero. The Northern powerhouse voted Labour in 2015, it was the swing constituencies which Labour lost plus being wiped out in Scotland. My point about Corbyn is that Labour are now in far worse shape and going backwards at an increasing rate. Labour lost in 2015 as they had no economic credibility not least as people suspected they where more left wing than they perhaps really where.

@Todd welcome, have you seen the EU thread 🙂 ?

For lots of people immigration fears trump every other political issue by some margin

Exactly. People switching from Labour to UKIP clearly never understood what the Labour party represents. If they did the last thing they would do is switch to the polar opposite of UKIP.

The immigration issue is just the most visible way in which the now totally London-centric Labour Party has totally lost touch with the concerns of its core northern voters in their post-industrial (former) heartlands, in favour of the issues that tend to trouble the metropolitan contributors to the Guardian letters page.

It’s been going on for a lot longer than Corbyn, but he, and the likes of Dianne Abbot, are the living embodiment of this disconnection. A lot of the time it feels like they’re telling working class voters off, or pitying the poor thickos, for not sharing they’re more enlightened cosmopolitan opinions. A real vote winner!

And what whould you have them do Binners? Out UKIP UKIP? At least Corbyn will say why immigration is good rather than just avoid talking about it.

Tory party happy to play on immigration fears of course.

Tory party happy to play on immigration fears of course recognise a real concern for voters.

FIFY. Labour recognised Immigration as an issue for the 2015 GE as seen by the mug. I have no doubt local activists in the North where telling the Party that is was a real issue in their communities. Abbott etc shut down the debate. Labour could come up with a credible immigration policy inc supporting UK workers giving them priority for jobs, improving wages, reducing entitlement to benefits for non-UK citizens for a period etc

The issue at the next by-election won’t be immigration. It will be the fact that it’s taking place where by far the biggest employer is the nuclear industry, at Sellafield, then there’s the shipyards at Barrow down the coast. The area is totally dependent on those for high skill, high pay jobs

How do you think mr Islington leftie CND is going to play there.? They’be absolutely no chance! He’s about to lose, heavily, a constituency that’s been labour since the1930’s!