Jeremy Corbyn

I’ve had this discussion with a few folk. Owen Smith or Andy Burnham are the two most mentioned. I would not vote for a labour party led by either. the first is a right winger who thinks bombing brown people into the dark ages is acceptable and the second a gray man has never had an original thought in his life and will say anything to anyone if he thinks it what they want to hear.

Been impressed with Keir Starmer recently

Been impressed with Keir Starmer recently

Zero personality. He’s a barrister to the core, competent, forensic, but completely lacking in emotion. People are not going to vote for that.

Heidi Alexander.

Where are the political giants in all parties? all we have is nonentities / lightweights.

People of the stature of Hesletine, Ashdown, John Smith etc? OK so we up north get Sturgeon and Salmond but in the main uk parties where are the people of principle and ideas we can get behind? Leaders who invigorate their parties?

In industry. Earning higher salaries, with less stress, where they don’t get hounded by the media 24/7 or get death threats on social media.

The longer Corbyn is in charge the less likely a new leader is to emerge. MPs need to earn a living and their emloyment (ie election) prospects are looking increasingly bleak. Labour really need to elect a woman leader, the continual revolving stream of men has to end. Cameron broke the mould for the Tories and defeated David Davies who had been expected to win amd as such ushered in a new era for the party lead by a young man with a fresh face. Labour need something similar.

Labour had an NHS day a few weeks ago (pr last Saturday ?) with virtually no press coverage. Today Corbyn will make a speech on human rights. Supposedly Labour are considering a plan to ban the sale of all petrol and diesel cars over a 10 year period. Whilst this is interesting to a few it’s all too easy to classify it as Islington Dinner Party politics.

Human Rights Campaigner Peter Tatchell lead a protest against Corbyn’s speach today interrupting it. There is Corbyn’s dilema, he is now the establishment figure people are protesting against. Corbyn also showed how irrational his stance is refusing to focus on condeming Russia and insisting on condeming all bombing, ie the US. Old habits die hard.

This just opens him up again for refusing to directly critise the old friend of Communist Russia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-interrupted-heckled-peter-tatchell-protest-aleppo-uk-air-drops-syrian-civil-war-a7467046.html

http://news.sky.com/story/peter-tatchell-leads-protesters-in-disrupting-jeremy-corbyn-speech-10690187

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/10/peter-tatchell-invades-jeremy-corbyns-stage-protest-lack-response/

All the stories are about the protest. It’s not rocket science to manage the speech to exclude obvious protestors or keep them away from the stage

Has he resigned yet?

Ashdown

Anyone who describes Ashdown as a political giant needs to really think about it, he won’t even honour a simple bet

“In industry. Earning higher salaries, with less stress, where they don’t get hounded by the media 24/7 or get death threats on social media.”

So true. We treat our politicians pretty badly (largely for sport IMHO) and it does mean that better candidates won’t ever make their way into politics.

Not just at the national level, even in local politics, volunteers who have almost zero power beyond where the dog poo bins are placed get accused of corruption, based on zero evidence.

Wasn’t it Mussolini who got power by taking on unpopular public service jobs? If *all* public service jobs are unpopular who takes over?

Tatchell interview in the link below. Points out Corbyn’s double standards re Russia and the US.

Jeremy Corbyn had intended to embarrass Theresa May’s government on Saturday.

He was poised to accuse the Prime Minister of “sacrificing human rights on the altar of the arms trade” by cosying up to “dictatorial” Saudi Arabia while it represses its citizens at home and carries out atrocities in neighbouring Yemen with British weaponry.

But while hoping to put pressure on the Government to practice what it preaches, instead it was his own record which came under a barrage of fire – and from a respected left-wing campaigner.

Peter Tatchell interrupted his speech to accuse Mr Corbyn of double standards – happily calling out any intervention by the West and its Allies; but failing to issue firm condemnation of Russian barrel-bombing of Syrians.

http://news.sky.com/story/human-rights-campaigner-embarrasses-jeremy-corbyn-10690772

It’s OK, though, he’s going to ban petrol cars.

Big and daft – compared to the minnow we have now?

Once he’s banned cars I presume we’re all going to have to get around on crap bikes which will be delivered by horse and cart?

Another well thought through vote winner!

It’s OK, though, he’s going to ban petrol cars.

It’s OK he came up with that idea to draw attention away from all his other disasters.

BTW when you watch coverage of the “big” human rights speech today there are about 30 people in the audience.

Don’t worry Diane says it all going to be ok, Jeremy will close the poll gap in 12 months as he’s the right leader with the right policies. Not seen Marr yet myself but sounds like it’s an interview not to miss.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-poll-gap-12-months-jeremy-corbyn-labour-a7468091.html

jambalaya – Member
Cameron broke the mould for the Tories and defeated David Davies who had been expected to win amd as such ushered in a new era for the party lead by a young man with a fresh face. Labour need something similar

This is ultimately the point of corbyn, ie who he eventually hands over to. Some young face from the ranks or someone from the PLP. Guess the answer to that battle will decide the direction of labour for a generation.

here’s a question, can corbyn call a leadership election then put someone forward, not himself? If so, I think that’d be labours best bet before the next election, or could he just transition power?

Labour really need to elect a woman leader, the continual revolving stream of men has to end

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Gloria De Piero?

Or more realistically Caroline Flint.

Once he’s banned cars I presume we’re all going to have to get around on crap bikes which will be delivered by horse and cart?

Horse and cart was good at one point.

I think if we’re ever going to improve things something radical as got to happen. Not saying it will go down well …

seosamh

He can just step down if he wants – and usually all political parties stitch up leadership elections so he could step down having reached agreement with the party as to who the successor would be.

Possible for sure. Likely? Doubt it

Old Jezza’s in his way to Derby, leaving the B team to face the music, JMcD was funny on Pinear this morning – managed to say Unite 30x in one minute, Not sure if he was talking about the union or what the party needs to do. Funny to hear him criticise the Tories for having no plan and then admitting that the issue of FoM could only be determined by negotiation. At least on radio, you couldn’t see the lack of a straight face!

rone – flints voting record disqualifies her for me.

Gloria De Piero the same – both voted for trident, for overseas wars, against investigations into these wars.

MY real issue I touched on earlier. I don’t know of a single Labour party politician I think is worthy of being leader. Its a great loss to our body politic on all sides that we have such second rate folk representing us. Coupled with the fact so many of them in all parties are out to enrich themselves.

I don’t know what the answer is to this but our elected representatives are so often completely the wrong folk to do so.

. I don’t know of a single Labour party politician I think is worthy of being leader.

There’s only one solution TJ. You know what to do. 🙂

Martin – not me -too intolerant. I am not sure the british reserve would stop them protesting when the death squads start operating. I’d soon get the population down to a sustainable amount.

You sound like the perfect politician for the troubled times we find ourselves in. 🙂

Has anyone noticed that Ernie stopped posting shortly before the Fidel’s death was announced?

#makesyouthink

Jezza’s media week ahead….

Christmas Jumper Day is on Labour’s main media diary. <giggles>

‘Concert for Corbyn’ 😀

‘Concert for Corbyn’

Do you think they’ll bust out the Christmas single?

😯 What the actual….?

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Christmas No.1!

Oh GOD. It’s in my head! It won’t LEAVE!

@ Flashheart – I think that is hands down the best video I’ve ever seen posted on here.

Oooooooooo need one of those artisanal JC tree ornamentals.

Concert for Corbyn, wonder if they will all be wearing the same jumper, maybe he could have a platform to sit on and wave from 😉
The press department need firing and not for leaking the schedule, given his massivly symbolic Christmas cards when all the others went for kids drawings there is just something not working in there.

Anyway which UB40 are playing?

Corbyn appoints ex Sinn-Fein staffer and member to be his “stakeholder engagement manager”. The man never stops digging does he, that appointment will help distance him from accusations of supporting terrorists – not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-jayne-fisher-sinn-fein-labour-gerry-adams-stakeholder-engagement-manager_uk_5851ae2be4b08b39538f7fd5?utm_hp_ref=uk

Fisher played a role in the cross-party “Friends of the Good Friday Agreement” which included figures such as Kevin McNamara, the former Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary.

She then worked for Sinn Fein Parliamentary Group when the party wanted a presence in Westminster during the peace process.

pretty damning evidence of why we should dislike her from your link 😕

Your self pwns are my favourite

Can we have an appeal to your own authority….i miss them the most.

Jambas, mon amis, avez-vous remarqué l’efficacité du logiciel de blocage* allégué par le petit homme qui vit sous le pont?

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Interesting that Clive Lewis just tweeted this.

I noticed someone above was saying that Momentum meetings were getting bogged down in old structures.

https://www.change.org/p/we-believe-in-momentum

Corbyn appoints ex Sinn-Fein staffer and member

So the Govt ban National Action, and Labour encourage bigots who are *far* more violent. I wonder which policy voters empathize with?

It’s not even incompetence, it’s like he’s deliberately doing things to alienate voters sane people.

More on the momentum travails. . Seems to me that the momentum-ites and the blairites have more in common. If they can find a way to combine and fight off the trots then the future could look a whole lot brighter.

Re-launch coming in the New Year, we are going to see more Corbyn on telly, I can’t wait

Labour plans Jeremy Corbyn relaunch

Comments are exactly glowing, seems even his supporters of a year ago have gone quiet or given up. But this one comment sums it all up:

This does have the feel, a little, of Iain Duncan Smith’s “quiet man is turning up the volume” re-launch from back in the day.

Dragon – details here, unless cougs kills it!! 😉

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/jezza-mkii-the-2017-relaunch?replies=7#post-815567

Sad, tired, irrelevant, pointless.