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well that was a disappointing morning…

sawing went ok, lines went where i wanted them, but i discovered when youre putting lots of sheets of 8ft x 4ft ply together, theyre not very forgiving of how square your building is (or isnt in this case).

first few went so well i even started screwing them down thinking these can be the datums theyre that good. but….as i worked down the front, it soon became apparent my 2″ overhang at the front was disappearing. if i unscrewed them to make the front good then the sides would taper away.

so….. got some thinking to do. ive got a fair bit to play with at the back so i could ‘push it all forward’, mark an (uneven) line along the front and cut to that so it at least looks ok, but then ive got to consider the felt will need to roll over a true line really.
or i could reconsider the overhang and have none, just a big box shape, but i cant get my head around how i can finish it off to look ok. got decking planks to finish it with but theyd look better under an overhang.

decisions decisions…. any help here much appreciated.

I’d try to maintain a parallel line along the front edge and those you will see. If that means pulling the sheets forward and to the side to give you enough material to then remark and cut a line then it’s the easiest solution. You might need to up in another noggin here or there to give you something to nail to.

Sometimes you have to be pragmatic

yep, thanks.

after a few hours lying in bed thinking about it, im ready for a full day at it on my own today. looks like the fronts slightly out with the sides (and joists) so if i make the front the datum, then the edges of the plyboards will run off the joists at an angle and itll bug me every time i see it.

im going to pull the sheets forward as you advise, run a pencil line all the way round at 2″+, saw to the line, replace on roof and move noggins to suit joins, screw a bit of 2×1 around the edge, then im ready for felting. phew.

was thinking of saving time by taking the saw up to the roof but feel that may be a foolish step too far 🙂

shouldnt be any issues with running the 8m lengths of felt along the width should there, rather than lots of 1m strips side by side running down the slope?

thanks

well that was a hard, hard, hard. hard day!! just finished now, had a full day at it on me own and im hurting. but…… got the roof on!

so hard on your own tho, up and down ladders all the time to fetch stuff thats on the ground, lifting ply up and down.

did as i mentioned above, started by pushing everything forwards. when i was happy everything was going to fit i screwed the centre bits down so that if i had to move anything, at least i knew where they were going back.

moved all the noggins to suit the new joins, then foolishly did what i said i wouldnt ^^^^ 😀 just couldnt face lifting more ply up and down myself, so decided to risk the circular saw on the roof. worked a treat, and im still here to tell the tale 🙂 saved a fair bit of time that.

then i screwed a load of 2×1 all the way round the edges as recommended earlier to give the appearance of a thicker roof when the felts wrapped round it. ran out of scraps so used a few of the roof battens i intended to put up later.

then onto the felt. went fine, just took a while tho. rolled em out lengthways, cut to size, adhesive on the overlaps then clout nails for good measure. then spent ages tacking all the edges and underneaths.

ran out of time in the end but i was determined to make it waterproof today as we’re away for a couple of days tomorrow.

back to it on wednesday, ill finish tacking clout nails at the back, then cut and screw decking boards just under the felt to face it all off. ooh also get a few battens left so i think ill put 4 battens up squidged into adhesive, and may also coat the joins with adhesive too, just for extra ‘waterproofness’.

cheers

EDIT: was getting dark when i finished so no pics of it with felt on yet, may take one in the morning.

That’s looking very shedlike. It’s coming together well.

I’m taking notes…….. we’ve got plans for next year to fill an unusable corner of the garden with a gazebo of some description.

I’ll either build it myself or kidnap mcmoonter and ply him with single malt until he builds it for me.

😉

It’s looking good. The 2×1’s you’ve fixed on the underside of the ply are also there to give something solid to fit a fascia ( decorative or otherwise ) to. This serves 2 purposes..1 it tidies it up nicely and actually finishes it off.. 2. It holds the felt down which in turn stops the wind getting underneath the felt.. I can send a pic if you want..

Only lay the felt horizontally…..

yes id like to see pics thanks, im interested to see what others have done.

as for a ‘decorative fascia’, im planning on using simple decking boards across the top and sides, just tucked under that 2×1, screwed to the 4×2 ring beam and hiding the felt edge.

2. It holds the felt down which in turn stops the wind getting underneath the felt.

not sure if ive done what you think then. i havent attached the felt to ply, then put 2×1 battens on top of that to hold the felt down, ive attached the 2x1s to the ply, then felted over the lot, just to give the appearance of thicker ply. so the 2×1 doesnt actually do anything that ‘ply only’ wouldnt do. get me? this is how it looks at present, i havent done the decking board fascia yet….

Only lay the felt horizontally….

phew, too late now if i didnt, but yes, i went horizontal.

EDIT: (not a very clear) pic of the horizontal felt just as i finished it the other day. plan on screwing two or three battens down the slope for added wind protection. think ill squidge these onto felt adhesive for a watertight seal. might look a bit messy with adhesive on show but the top of the roof cant be seen.

Looks awesome that! Nice work.

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H&S gone mad! I think you overestimate the risk a paintbrush represents.

😀

Looks awesome that! Nice work.

thanks, appreciated 🙂

time for a bit more advice now please……

1. ive finished the decking fascias now, and was going to screw my battens in to finish the roof off. as i mentioned before, i was going to squidge them down onto some adhesive for sealing. ive offered the battens up and its become apparent that theres some bigger gaps between batten and roof that wouldnt squidge down to seal. so….. next thought was to just blob a bit of silicone sealant under where a screw would go, then screw down through that, so in effect, 4 or 5 isolated blobs of sealant per batten. be less messy too. that sound ok?

2. im also tempted to run a stripe of adhesive across each of the 3 long joins of felt overlaps. ive got adhesive underneath each overlap anyway, but that doesnt come quite to the edge so im just thinking about wind getting underneath the edges, belt and braces if you like. is it a valid concern, or will time and the sun just melt the edges together anyway so nothing to worry about? (there wasnt a clear strip of felt with no grit on these rolls like ive seen on some). and if it was a concern would fixing the battens stop the need for this anyway?

thanks

I just discovered two leaks from the felt sheet seams on a couple of sheds I built a few years ago (which is why I use EPDM now) and sorted it with some of that flashing tape. Seams [sic] to have done the trick.

This stuff…

http://www.screwfix.com/p/flashband-bostik-flashband-flashband-grey-10-x-100mm/57969

Best done with a roller and a heat gun. I’ll probably get flamed by someone on here for doing it, tho…

Looks good BTW. Especially the arty sunset shot…

I just discovered two leaks from the felt sheet seams on a couple of sheds I built a few years ago

unless your felt was compromised (ripped), are you implying that rain is driven upwards for a few inches at the seams?? or that the wind has lifted the seams?
and is this with battens/seams sealed with adhesive?

No adhesive applied during fitting which could have made the difference, I guess. Overlapped by about 5″ and no visible sign of rips or tears other than a small lift around one of the tacks. I think it was just the angle of the rain and the accompanying wind as it’s never happened before.

That stuff is quite cheap and it actually looks quite tidy once it’s up so I was glad I did so. As you’ve used adhesive I doubt you’ll get the same ingress past the point the adhesive sits. As for wind – didn’t I read you live on a cliff edge or something? If it was me I’d slap on a few strips of that stuff just for the overkill effect but I rarely do things by the book.

I was merely suggesting it as a belt and braces approach but some will probably see it as unnecessary. And it’s nice stuff to squidge down with a roller…

yeah looks like it may be a tidier option, think id need 3 rolls tho so talking £36 plus a roller (what sort of roller do you need for that stuff? and why cant you just ‘tread it down’?)

also i was wondering whether it sticks well onto a gritty surface. i know as i was banging in each clout nail all the grit was bouncing up and down, so would it actually stick to the felt, or just absorb all the loose grit granules and not hold fast?

ive still got a full tin of adhesive i bought for around £25 i think which i havent broken into, so i could return that to part-fund it i spose.

thanks

Had I not already bought a roller I doubt I would’ve thought of using one, instead opting for a plank and some slow walking but the roller definitely pushes the stuff onto the material, especially if using a heat gun or midday sun.

As for the loose slate – not sure. Mine are over two years old so anything loose would be gone by now but I gave it a good brush with a stiff bristled variety and a lung-aching blow along the length before I laid the stuff so I guess you could follow that approach. Like I wrote – I didn’t use adhesive so you’ll probably be okay. The thing that I like about this stuff is its ability to cover the tacks, which in theory shouldn’t leak anyway but…y’know…

Roller – something like this…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/sourcingmap-Dampening-Applicator-Ballistic-Installation/dp/B00A8W9GWS/ref=pd_cp_263_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=EJCB30CANM476WGAA2ZE

ok thanks. gut feeling is ill just screw the battens down and use silicone sealant where the screws enter the felt. ive got that already so saves unnecessary expense.

couple more questions about treatment please…..

1. ive got some of this end grain treatment. been using it on the cut ends. im going to be buying untreated planed timber for beading and edging for the shiplap, shed window etc. now if i coat this planed timber in the end grain treatment, am i actually ‘tanalising’ it in effect? or is this stuff just sealing the ends to stop weather getting under the tanalising if you see what i mean? is tanalising the same as ‘pressure treated’, or is it just an added dip?

2. i was going to coat the whole structure in something like ronseal 5yr treatment when ive finished. is this end grain stuff better or worse than that? the timber ive used so far has all been tanalised so i cant imagine im bringing any extra protection to the party using ‘tanalising end grain protection’ too, sounds like id just be going over it in what its already got.

thanks

3. just got the shiplap delivered today, looks good stuff so if the weathers kind ill be getting stuck into that come monday. was just thinking tho, ill obviously be starting at the bottom, but should my first plank be about half inch off the decking, so it doesnt absorb any moisture?

bumpity bump for the post weekend stw-reading crowd……

starting the cladding tomorrow so would still appreciate answers to the above 3 questions please. oh and also….

4. any tips for cladding round tops and bottoms of shed windows (and door)? or is it just a case of the boards lie where they lie and i may have to jigsaw bits out in certain places?

thanks

DISASTER!! sat inside it waiting for the rain to stop so i could carry on cutting shiplap when…. SPLOP on my nose. looked up, THE ROOFS LEAKING!! nooooooooo! how?????

dripping down the wood onto the decking. quick inspection and this is happening in a few places, and this is only light rain :-/

went up on the roof and all looks fine….

theres no wind, so it cant be water driven up the slope, theres no rips in the felt, i can only think water is pooling around the clout nails and seeping in there. but its just such light rain im amazed its coming in. soooo gutted, its my baby 😀

all i could think of doing was going back up there and putting little blobs of weatherproof sealant around every nail. im using this….

like this…

right thing to do? anything else i can try besides re-roofing? i was so sure id done a real good job of it.

Flashing tape…? 🙂

Mine was leaking in the same manner and I put sealant over the tacks. That lifted in time and it leaked a few weeks back. Tape is holding up well – no leaks so far.

Incidentally, I found some a lot cheaper on Amazon – about a fiver a roll. Not sure if it sticks down the same as the branded stuff but it might be worth a punt.

ok thanks, ill look into that and maybe order some. for now ive got a toolstation nearby so looking at buying one of these waterproofing products.

gut feeling is trowel mastic may be thicker and better.

its still leaking now even tho i put the silicone over the nails. should i scrape the sealant away to coat in mastic do you think, or just paste the gunk over the top of the lot?

ta

may need to run some sealant all the way along the join. it’s not that much of a pitch there so quite feasible for water to capillary creep up the joint.

You can’t beat felt on sheds roofs!! Lets get a waterproof membrane and then hammer nails in it. The whole thing is a bloody stupid idea. I have just done a shed roof like you and to save money used felt. Oh and guess what even with loads of mastic, it still leaks.

When I have a bit more money its all coming off and I am going with the a rubber glued down roof. Twice the price but should be fit and forget

EPDM is the way forward. I used it on the latest build and it’s sound. Felt on the other two mentioned above is coming off next year and EPDM is going in its place.

Sadexpunk – [non aggressive] Stop pissing about with sealants and the like. The tape is perfect for the job and will work exactly how you want – cover the seams and the tacks in one solid run. You’ll need a heat gun to soften the bitumen on the sticky side and as long as you’ve cleaned all the loose bits of slate from the area it’ll just harden and sit there doing its thing. [/non aggressive]

When the felt finally gives out remove and lay some EPDM… 😛

If you choose the tape route:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FLASHING-TAPE-FLASH-BAND-ROOFING-REPAIR-SELF-ADHESIVE-TAPE-ROLL-LEAD-BITUMEN-10m-/140938448860

Dunno what the Bond-It stuff is like. Reviews on Amazon here…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0057FT0PE/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=recent

Heat gun and roller or hairdrier and rolling pin if you can sneak ’em past the missus. Best to have a mate help you with applying the heat if you want to make things easier on yourself*.

* The rolling pin method, of course. One man job with a heat gun and roller.

sorry mate, been out to toolstation and been on the roof, so too late to take your ‘stop pissing about with sealant’ advice 😀

went to buy some trowel mastic, they didnt have any, but the bloke there pointed me at some other stuff and im pleased he did. got me some….
….apparently roofers swear by it and working with it i can see why, goes on well (a bit like that old car touch up fibreglass stuff), and smells like it means business.

covered every single clout nail with it using the applicator flat nozzle plus a filler knife.

i can tell you now, those nails aint letting in any water any more 😀

im hopeful but theres a nagging fear at the back of my mind that when i was scraping the silicone off, they really did seem well sealed, and id just be surprised if the sealant would have let anything past it.

think ill buy some of that tape too mate for belt and braces, as lovewookie says, i spose its feasible waters creeping up. altho again that would surprise me as theres adhesive under the overlap too.

and as long as you’ve cleaned all the loose bits of slate from the area it’ll just harden and sit there doing its thing.

i cant see me being successful clearing all the grit from a 100mm wide strip along 3 x 7m lengths so id hope itd stick down onto whats already there?

so….. superduper roof sealant, 3 rolls of tape too, if that doesnt work ill look into covering the lot with EPDM, but thatll break my bank :-/

thanks

smells like it means business

Always a good sign. If it’s got artists impressions of dead fish and trees and you fall off the roof due to the fumes you know it’s proper.

Might be worth having a quick look on the bend of the upper edge for tiny tears. I’ve seen that before – allows the water to trickle down.

i cant see me being successful clearing all the grit from a 100mm wide strip along 3 x 7m lengths so id hope itd stick down onto whats already there?

Run a vacuum cleaner along it or as I wrote earlier, a small stiff bristled brush is what I used but you’ll probably be okay if there’s not too much loose slate. It’ll melt into and onto the stuff anyway.

Other than that – good luck. Leaks are a pain when you don’t know where it’s coming from.

From the pics I can’t quite make out how much overlap you have, but when I did my shed 10 years ago I was nearly half and half overlapping each strip. I also sealed with silicone along the edges.
Water will try very hard to get in, esp if there isn’t much slope on the roof.

If you’ve got enough roof repair in the tube (or pop and get another one)then I would lift the edge of each overlapping run of felt and run a bead along its length. Press the felt back down into it and job jobbed.

From the pics I can’t quite make out how much overlap you have, but when I did my shed 10 years ago I was nearly half and half overlapping each strip.

ooh nothing like that. if you look up this page ^^^ at the pic just above the silicone tube, you can just about make it out. that was all i had to play with.

If you’ve got enough roof repair in the tube (or pop and get another one)then I would lift the edge of each overlapping run of felt and run a bead along its length. Press the felt back down into it and job jobbed.

you read my mind 🙂 ive used one tube, got another left, but i still dont think thatd be enough. what i was going to do was try a bit and see how sticky it was. it may be good at sealing leaks but rubbish at sticking two bits of felt together.

Run a vacuum cleaner along it or as I wrote earlier, a small stiff bristled brush is what I used but you’ll probably be okay if there’s not too much loose slate. It’ll melt into and onto the stuff anyway.

ok mate, think thats what ill end up doing.

ta

raining again aaaaand….. its still leaking, soooo p1ssed off.

cant wait for ebay, ill have to try toolstation again, i want this sorting asap. gonna buy 3 rolls of evo stick flashband.

get some bitumin roofing paint and slap it on any bits you think there is a leak

water generally works its way down so if you can see damp underneath track back up the slope

looked at the paint and thought its just not thick enough to seal anything. and tbh ive no idea where the leak is. im pretty sure its not the nails now, so it has to be the overlaps, surely. thats why tapes my next gamble.

thanks

well, this gazebo’s certainly stopping me sleeping. up at 5,45 this morning as i could hear the rain and thinking thinking thinking… and ive come up with another possible reason. water in through the front?

not sure how viable this is but i wondered could the rain be running down the front and underneath, then running down the ply? the felt i put up tacks to the underneath of the ply and is then covered by the decking boards, not under and then down the ring beam too. i didnt even consider it could get underneath at the top of a slope. so….. been up on the roof in the dark to lay a scrap 7m (handy eh?) roll of old felt along the top and hanging over the front (one of those things you keep cos it may come in handy some time) 😉 that way any rain that would have got in the way will just drip off this overhang.

mixed emotions now, still p1ssed off its leaking in the first place but with each new idea im excited to see if it works 😀

excitement over, back to being sad. it still leaks. been and bought 3 rolls of flashing tape, hopefully ill get a dry spell where i can lay it.

well, seems like confusion still reigns. had my mate over to help with the gazebo, he says he cant understand it either, but thinks that water may be getting under the sealant at the overlaps and creeping up. he thinks it needs another coat of felt. whether hes right or not i couldnt see any other option.

then a builder mate came round, said theres no way water is getting past that sealant on the overlaps, he thinks its coming from the front/underneath and running down the joists. to back this up he pointed out the leaks are only really around the joists, he said if water was creeping up itd be all over the place and between all the ply joins.

i pointed out that it still leaked even when id got the scrap felt over the front

no real explanation for that but hes suggested before re-roofing to try a bead of sealant all around the front and sides where the felt meets the decking boards.

got nowt to lose, its peanuts for tubes of sealant or over a ton for the felt. ill try that tomorrow, for now its all tarped over and looking sorry for itself.

Don’t be disheartened fella (which it must feel like). You’re doing a bloody amazing job and you will sort this leak out and be the proud owner of a very fine looking shed-like-thing, that has many of us jealous 🙂

thanks mate, yeah itll be sorted one way or another, just hope its the cheapest way 🙂

on the plus side, got all the shiplap up, the dwarf walls, shed door (no furniture yet tho), its all just about done bar the bits of beading to dress and hide sh1t bits 😀

cheers

Can you not tarp the roof in a way that leaves the front exposed. Might help in deducing where they leak is coming from.

I’m sure you’ll fix it in time for summer