[Closed] I'll say anything to get my stupid face in the press

"Around 100 Ukip supporters had paid £25 each to attend the event,"

I couldn't not mention that.

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Why won't someone take him out.

He's already married isn't he? To a German (but they're ok because, well, you know...)

@ukiptraffic is worth a follow on twitter.

@ukiptrumpton were on the case too;

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He's on Question time this week.

Also featuring.... Russell Brand.

Should be a laugh.

Two arseholes in one place, worth a nuke if ever I saw it.

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I can't decided if he's a total idiot or an evil genius. While to us the comments like that one seem idiotic I can just imagine a significant element of the Daily Mail readership agreeing, and he doesn't need all that big a percentage of the population voting for UKIP for them to be the 3rd party in terms of the overall UK vote.

I'll say anything to get [s]my stupid face in the press[/s] hard-of-thinking, small-minded ****-wits to vote for me

FTFY

I can't decided if he's a total idiot or an evil genius

I thought it was funny until I read the coments section and all the "still voting UKIP" and "he's right" comments.

Immigrants?

MI5 working at the behest of the Govt more like.

I'm sure they can create a traffic jam on the M4 when they need to.

Can somebody please create a Kickstarter project to secure funding to employ people, from now until the election, to repeatedly punch him in the conkers?

I'll back it

People will vote for him because the alternatives are not much better (some are worse).

They will also vote because we allow stupid people to vote. Just as we seem to allow stupid people to stand for election.

People will vote for him because the [s]alternatives are not much better[/s] paper they read tells them to

Though this is true of any political party and one of the reasons nobody is interested in doing a broadcast media type job on them..

People will vote for him because he addresses the issues that people are concerned about head on rather than hushing them up. The problem is that those concerns are largely hyped up and created by the media playing on unfounded fears rather than the facts.

Since the Tories won't address the concerns openly (to avoid scaring off the xeno right) and Labour essentially follow meekly behind the Tories, UKIP are seen as being in touch. Scary stuff...

Hopefully the greater success that UKIP are experiencing will lead to greater scrutiny and people's inherent common sense will start to see people seeing them for what they are beyond some crowd pleasing soundbites. Scary alternatives though 🙁

chakaping - Member

Immigrants?

MI5 working at the behest of the Govt more like.

I'm sure they can create a traffic jam on the M4 when they need to.

As someone who used to commute home from Reading to Cardiff every Friday afternoon I can assure you that the combined might of MI5, MI6, Austin Powers, the CIA and the Illuminati couldn't stop it from happening.

It's not immigration, it's the whole of Wales trying to get home for the weekend and 3 lanes of busy traffic first stopping to pay for the bridge and then being filtered into 2 lanes to get through Bryn Glas.

So why doesn't Which magazine do a report on which party to vote for and all the papers publish it, and nothing else on them.

We would still probably end up with rubbish. The least worse is still very poor.

I burnt my tongue on a pie the other day, BECAUSE IMMIGRANTS.

As a life long supporter of proportional representation who feels his vote as been a complete waste his entire adult life it pains me to say this, but our first past the post system might just be the only thing that saves us from having this odious little twerp as member of the cabinet in 6 months time.

So actually P-Jay, you're suggesting its a Welsh conspiracy? Crafty buggers! I'm sure Nige considers them all bloody foreigners anyway!

Those bloody Welsh immigrants >:(

I find UKIP a truly depressing phenomenon, Farage has basically created a public conduit for the most mean spirited, bitter, and ignorant elements of the British character.

The fact that people are happily voting for a party who they can only name one member of and whose policies are a total mystery to them beyond Europe Immigration terrifies me as well.

Working class people voting for UKIP's economic policies is possibly one of the clearest examples of turkeys voting for Christmas that I can think of.

Although the morbidly obese, beer-swilling Americans protesting against Obamacare probably pushes them close.

Farage has basically created a public conduit for the most mean spirited, bitter, and ignorant elements of the British character.

The Daily Mail already existed, but I agree with you in principle.

I find UKIP a truly depressing phenomenon, Farage has basically created a public conduit for the most mean spirited, bitter, and ignorant elements of the British character.

I think its worse than that. People who aren't naturally mean spirited and bitter are voting for them out of desperation too. Just to shake things up.

If UKIP stands for anything, it stands as a monument to the total and utter failure of mainstream political parties, cut off as they are in their Westminster ivory towers, to even remotely connect with a huge chunk of the electorate.

+1

Welsh immigrants. He's right you know - it's them.

binners - Member

So actually P-Jay, you're suggesting its a Welsh conspiracy? Crafty buggers! I'm sure Nige considers them all bloody foreigners anyway!

I'd love to say it was, I don't want the fear mongering ****er anywhere in the principality, but sadly it seems 100 people where keen enough to see him to stump up £25 for the privilege.

I've just had a thought, perhaps he was late because he told the driver to head for Chepstow to avoid paying £6 to use the French bridge?

Oh, and technically 'we*' were here long before the Anglo Saxons - you're all immigrants to us 😉 - but we love you anyway (rugby / football not permitting).

*I can't include myself, being from a Family from Cardiff Docks my DNA is made of all sorts of sources from the major port cities of the world ha ha.

People who aren't naturally mean spirited and bitter are voting for them out of desperation too. Just to shake things up

I like the idea of a Which? type report. Shame though that I've always seen Which? as the consumer goods supplement to The Mail on Sunday.

What I don't understand is that none of the media are attempting to publicise all UKIP's other policies, not just the Europe/Immigration ones.

There are a whole load of them that would rattle a few cages if they were being aired as regularly as immigration but for some reason they seem frightened to even mention them.

I don't find it funny any more, it's really beginning to scare the crap out of me.

The Daily Mail already existed,

Perhaps I should have said Farage provides a political conduit for the resentment and bitterness felt by the Daily Mail reading segment of society.

However, UKIP's presence as a 'legitmate' political force alongside the Mail does offer both parties additional credence for their noxious brand of "It was better in the old days, I'm not racist but... we're just saying what you're all thinking" politics.

I think of UKIP as being there for when the Daily Mail isn't quite hitting the spot for bigotry and stupidity any more.

🙂

I think its the fact that UKIPs policies aren't held up to any scrutiny at all tells you everything you need to know about the press we have in this country. Its tells me that the Mail/Express/Telegraph/Times et al broadly support their agenda

And that fact alone should convince anyone with anything between their ears not to vote for them

I don't think it really matters. Come election time we will very likely end up with another coalition.

Lab in bed with SNP, or Conservatives as a minority Gov.

UKIP wont have enough seats to push any minority over the threshold, and both parties would find it hard to go into a coalition with them.

UKIP will only win a couple of seats. If any. But thats not really the point. They're going to cause electoral havoc. And doesn't Farage know it. The blue-rinse/retired colonel vote that the tories took for granted is going to abandon them in numbers. Splitting the foaming-at-the-mouth, Mail reading vote, and possibly delivering labour MP's into previous Tory strongholds.

And the Middleton by-election should have finally woken labour up (I doubt it has though, the half-wits) if they thought they were only a threat to the Tories. Where UKIP came within a whisker of unseating Labour in a seat where you could normally shove a red rosette on a monkeys arse and it'd get elected.

And they're going to make marginal seats impossible to predict. I despise everything they represent, but this is giving the complacent westminster 'is it our turn now?' cabal the fright of their bloody lives.

Will it end up changing anything in reality? Who knows. Combine this with the SNP inroads into the labour vote north of the border, and I don't think anyone can predict the next election result, other than there's not going to be a workable majority for any one party.

So basically we will end up with a forced coalition that wont work and we will be in the same mess for years to come.

Its going to be even more of a waste of time voting than normal.

Well the ultimate nightmare is a Tory/Ukip coalition marching us back to the 19th century.

*shudders*

I think the lack of an overall majority could well be a good thing. Would you trust any of them with a majority at the moment? No... me neither. Maybe having to do some horse-trading and compromising to win support on individual issues might knock some arrogance out of the ****s in Westminster, and allow a bit more sense into proceedings.

I realise this is a hopelessly optimistic wish, but you never know.....

The Conservative and Labour parties are already coalitions between their left and right wings.

"It is clearly absurd to suggest heavy traffic on the M4 is caused by immigration, but through the laughter at his silly comments you can hear Ukip's dog-whistle politics of division."

If we didn't have first past the post, who would win then ?

Its going to be even more of a waste of time voting than normal.

Apathy to voting is the biggest problem in the UK and it panders to the extremist views. Yes, I understand the whole Tory/Labour/LibDem 'oh they're just carbon copies of each other who don't think outside of Westiminter' but not voting at all is far worse than attempting to use your vote to stop something really potentially bad happening.

I have no idea how I'm going to be voting come next May but I'll be using it none the less to try & stop that cronie's Neo-Nazi buddies from getting any more power.

+1 to Pinkster

Part of the (possibly unintentional) genius of UKIP's approach that that by targeting bitter older people who feel 'left behind' by modern Britain they're taking advantage of one of that Demographic's key characteristics: They all vote.

YouGov's polling has been pretty comprehensive, the younger, better educated, happier and more active you are, the less likely you are to vote UKIP and the less likely you are to vote at all.

The other advantage they have is the 'purity of opposition' in that none of their crackpot schemes have had to survive contact with reality. Long term opposition groups (from the Lib Dems to Hamas) have always suffered from this when they finally do get a degree of power and suddenly have to accept the compromises and negotiation required get anything done.

The other advantage they have is the 'purity of opposition' in that none of their crackpot schemes have had to survive contact with reality.

Indeed. The main one being that as a right wing party, so by their nature 'business friendly', pretty much all business leaders want Britain to remain in the EU, and rather enjoy the benefits of ready supply of cheap labour from Eastern Europe. And given corporate power in this country, their demands trump everyone else by some distance. So the irony is that the one policy he/they have, is the one that he/they can't actually ever deliver on.

A thought that has no doubt never entered the head of the morons voting for them.

A thought that has no doubt never entered the head of the morons voting for them.

Largely because when politicians and newspapers are pointing fingers at who's 'to blame' for immigration it's much less awkward for them to point the finger at Brussels or 'hang-wringing liberals' than it is to point it at the corporate interests that donate large sums to political parties and own newspapers.

I wont be voting, not because of Apathy, its because none of the parties putting themselves up for election are worth my vote.

At the moment its a bit like asking me if I want brown or white bread with my sh*t sandwich.

If I could tick a box "none of the above" I would vote. But I'm not going to waste my vote for the current crop of idiots and I'm not willing to take part in a sham democracy.

Perhaps if elections offered both:
a) None of the above, and
b) required more than 50% turnout
parties would get their act together.

None of them are going to fix the economic and social issues and none of them from my point of view are fit to vote for.

Making people vote even when the choice is crap wont improve things, we will still have the same idiots in power.

At least now we can point out that so few do vote whoever wins doesn't really have the wishes /respect of the majority.

I can't stand the odious little ****, however, the first time I ever heard him interviewed on the radio he said that the existing political parties in the UK are much of a muchness and no longer divide opinion liked they used to and (he believed) they still should. His stated aim then was to make this a reality again and it seems he might just have managed it. Whether folk vote for UKIP or not, he has certainly polarized many opinions.

Australia has (had?) mandatory voting. Their politicians are great. Some of the finest minds on earth:
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Weird, last time I was leaving Wales got caught up in this:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29589776 ]Immigrants on the M4[/url]

So technically I was held up because of immigrants, or more precisely idiots looking at immigrants on the other side of the road, still not ever going to vote UKIP though!

If I could tick a box "none of the above" I would vote. But I'm not going to waste my vote for the current crop of idiots and I'm not willing to take part in a sham democracy.

so spoil your ballot paper. They get recorded so it's the nearest you can get to "none of the above"

MrNice - I could, but it wont affect the outcome in the slightest.

That's why Id like to see a requirement that the winner gets the majority of the votes, including counting those who voted for none of the above.

Last time 45,597,461 people could have voted.

Only 65.1% did = 29,683,947
Con got 36% of the votes = 10,698,394
Lab got 29% of the votes = 8,609,527

So we end up with a party forming our government who got 2 out of 10 possible votes.

2/10 That's really not democracy.

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2/10 That's really not democracy.

That really depends on your view of what the uncasted votes mean. If they're specifically protest votes (eg none of the above) then that's one thing. If they're simply down to 'couldn't be bothered' then the (not entirely unreasonable though maybe incorrect) assumption is that they would broadly follow the spread of those that did vote.

I'd be in favour of a 'none of the above' option (rather than just spoiling which isn't explicitly that) to address the former group above. You could then potentially have a rule for a majority being necessary to actually lead with a re-election forced after, say 1 year (less would be better but not practical).

Or maybe it should be a legal obligation to vote (like in Oz IIRC) though it's a rather negative message to have to force people to vote - unless maybe you can get the 'none of the above' option.

Whats even more depressing is that both the main political parties are looking at the next election with what political commentators are referring too as the '35% strategy'

So faced with widespread disillusion in the electorate with them, how do they address that?

Try to regain some public confidence by getting the snout out of the trough for a while? Naah... we'll give ourselves an 11% pay rise instead. And reject reforms to Parliamentary catering as that would mean [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/07/champagne-house-of-lords-reform-taxpayer ]a cheaper vintage of champagne[/url]

Maybe start addressing the genuine concerns of the electorate, and listening to people other than corporate lobbyists? Naaaah... I've been promised a highly paid directorship in couple of years. With a bank/Serco/private healthcare firm

Both parties are going to aim squarely at their core vote, and the level of their ambition (such as it is) is that that will help them limp over the line on 35% of those who bother to vote. They've cynically given up on obtaining any kind of popular mandate, and instead, rather than change their behaviour, or try and mister some genuine appeal, they'll retreat yet further from the electorate into the Westminster bubble, and take it in turns on the gravy train. Business as *ing usual. The *S!!!!

And they wonder why people are prepared to gibe chancers like Farage a hearing! 🙄

As per the devolution / indyref election - I wasn't convinced by either argument fully enough to cast a vote for them so wrote a note to that effect on the paper. Vote was 'spoilt' but it was recorded as having been cast - so not a non-vote..

In 2010, of the votes cast just 1% were counted as "spoiled"

But as you say Binners - its business as usual.

Whets also depressing reading is the website that tells you what your vote is worth: http://www.voterpower.org.uk/

I've got 0.051 of a vote.

The average UK voter only has the power of 0.253 votes. This is because most of us live in safe seats, where the outcome is pretty much certain regardless of how we vote

they'll retreat yet further from the electorate into the Westminster bubble, and take it in turns on the gravy train. Business as *ing usual. The *S!!!!

And they wonder why people are prepared to gibe chancers like Farage a hearing!

That'll be the same [url= http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4285534.ece ]Nigel Farage who gets a 60k annual chauffeur allowance from UKIP[/url] and [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage ]once boasted about getting £2 million in allowances and expenses[/url]?

He is in just as much Bisto as the rest of them.

He is indeed! But he's managed to convince a large number of half-wits - apparently by being pictured every couple of weeks having a pint - that he isn't.

And yet again, it's a reflection of the complete bancrupcy of those presently in Westminster that he's actually managed to get away with this frankly ridiculous charade. Compared to them, he can play out his 'Man of the People' shtick without them being able to point out how utterly preposterous that premise is. If anyone in the 2 main political had a shred of credibility, they could just point out the simple facts. Notice how they haven't.

Can someone tell me who I need to vote for to stop UKIP? I've always voted Lib Dem but never lived in a Lib Dem area so pointless. Can't vote tory as they are just c..... but Labour are ****ing useless at the moment as well! I'd like to vote green but that would be as pointless not voting at all!

What do I do?

If UKIP get into power I will seriously consider moving out of the UK. I really don't think I could handle it.

The only way UKIP have any chance of a sniff of power is in a coalition with the Tories so if you want to register an anti-UKIP protest vote then probably you'll need to vote NuLab. Rather than voting LibDem again you'd be as well wiping your arse with the paper, for all the chances they've now got of getting a meaningful number of seats.

I think I'm going to stick with voting in Scotland because at least there is a viable alternative to vote for there!

chakaping - Member
Immigrants?

MI5 working at the behest of the Govt more like.

I'm sure they can create a traffic jam on the M4 when they need to.

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See one that says: 'Possible delays ahead, slow down'...
Guess what is the most likely outcome on an otherwise busy but smooth flowing road?
I believe it's what's known in the trade as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Idiots.

Yeah. Spankers. What do traffic managers know about traffic management compared to some guy with internet access? 😆

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See one that says: 'Possible delays ahead, slow down'...
Guess what is the most likely outcome on an otherwise busy but smooth flowing road?
I believe it's what's known in the trade as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Idiots.

Exactly, people should be left to cane it right up to an accident/incident and then stand on the brakes within the last 50 metres.

ads678 - reading this website: http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
will show you what your vote is worth.

Sadly most of us have worthless votes and even if they were worth something the choice is crap.

So basically your better off going for a bike ride - at least that will be enjoyable and take your mind off the pretend democracy we live in.

I'd like to vote green but that would be as pointless not voting at all!

That attitude really annoys me. Vote for the party you want to vote for and the policies you like. If you believe in it, say it, campaign for it. If everyone did it things might just change. I voted Green at the Euro elections and, low and behold, we have a Green MEP amongst the mire of blue and purple. The Greens are now actively targeting the sitting Lib Dem in my ward. For all UKIP's faults, of which there are oh so many, at least they've managed to get people to believe that their votes aren't just wasted protests.

That Vote Power site is fascinating, turns out the constituency I live in is far more marginal than I thought, ooo feel the power!

Pointless. I do still vote - people died ensuring I can. It's the least I can do.
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Could be worse, I could still live with my mum and dad:
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Or at one of my previous addresses 😯
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For those of you stating you have to vote, just take a moment to look at the reality.

Saying "its the least I can do" - well it is the least you can do, in fact is so far down the list of least its almost pointless. Might make you feel like you have done your bit, but your bit is worth nothing.

Look at that site I posted up about your votes worth.

Re-read the comment I wrote about the fact that the government we have was voted for by 2 out of 10 people eligible to vote.

Just voting (when its so evidently pointless) will not change things - discussing it and showing people the system does not work may kick-start something. Some people may ask their MP's about this, some may stand for election - but sadly until the system changes that too is likely to be a waste of time and money. The more you point out these facts the more likely it will be for public opinion to alter things.

The current party's are quite happy for you to feel like your doing something by voting.

We even see MP's who are likely to loose their jobs change party to keep their jobs.

Take stock of the reality of the situation and adapt your action to deal with it.

people died ensuring I can. It's the least I can do.

Drivel !

By voting you are wilfully accepting that the people who dropped us in the sheehite are capable of pulling us out !

That just confirmed what I already knew. In the constituency I live in, the labour party could stick a gibbons foreskin up for election and it'd get in. Could be worse though. Could be a Tory gibbons foreskin

With social media use and distaste for the main parties both at an all time high you would have thought we were ripe for a huge social media campaign to spoil your ballot paper at the next general election if you feel non of the available parties represent your opinions sufficiently (whatever your political leaning).

Just staying at home and not voting achieves nothing as your 'non-vote' is added to all those who are just apathetic in general and can't be bothered to muster a political opinion because they don't have the wit. But if at the count in May next year the biggest category of ballot papers nationally is the 'spoilt' pile that would clearly demonstrate a general public that cared enough to bother to go and protest which is far more powerful. It won't change who is in power for the next parliament but it would clearly indicate to the political parties the size of the electorate that they could be tapping into if they could show a little more passion and diversity.

To those who didn't vote, did you also ignore the referendum on changing the voting system?

If you don't vote, don't you forfeit your right to moan about politics? And if you do, then everyone else is allowed to slap you across the face with a kipper and tell you to shut the **** up?

According to that site Glasgow East is one of the safest Labour seats in the land. My voter power is 0.010.

But its failed to take into account the fact that the SNP won it in a by-election in 2009.

There are very few truly safe Labour seats north of the border.

FPTP is far from ideal, but if we were given pure PR then a Tory / UKIP coalition would be the most likely outcome

Trimix - Member

Last time 45,597,461 people could have voted.

Only 65.1% did = 29,683,947
Con got 36% of the votes = 10,698,394
Lab got 29% of the votes = 8,609,527

OK.

I'm not complaining about low turnout. Just stating the facts in a politically unbiased way.

If there was someone worth voting for Id vote.

Do you think there is ?

With the current rules its both pointless for most of us to vote for the idiots and that your vote is mostly worthless.

If more people realised this and discussed it, then we may end up with a better system and party's that were worth voting for.

Voting or not voting for most of us is still pointless - which is my point 🙂

as far as I understand it, there are pretty much about 100,000 voters that swing an election either way and all sides know where those postcodes are, hence the constant shifting of constituency boundaries when a party regains power and the way that the journo's descend on the places where the major parties wander about the town centres at election time... crap situation really

I think that the 'none of the above' could be a great option - if it's the most voted for option in a gen or byelection, return 50% of all candidates' deposits and prevent all of them from standing in the re-run byelection. That way ALL MPs have to properly listen to their constituents and keep their noses clean otherwise the safe seats are no longer safe.

These are good ideas, but the people we need to convince to adopt them are the current politicians making a living out of this crap system.

What we really need is a revolution 🙂

If there was someone worth voting for Id vote.

Do you think there is ?

The way I think of it is that currently UKIP/EDL/BNP have a higher proportion of the vote than is representational of the UK public, because their "supporters" get out there and vote. This has a knock on impact on how the results are reported by the media, and what the media think the public is interested in. This is arguably more important than who out of the main three parties wins the election because the media drive the political agenda.

So UKIP etc are given a bigger media platform because you didn't vote, imo 😉