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I predict that they will fail 🙂
I predict there will be tears.
....probably shot with shaky camera in extreme close up.
I won't be impressed unless they do it on a rigid single speed.
I predict they'll get a third person then almost completely ignore them in the tie in book they will write badly.
It annoys me that people like them (no gripe with the individuals involved) are paid to do this sort of thing, whereas mere mortals like us have to fund this once in a lifetime experience out of our own pockets. Like that series that Amanda whatshername from Britains (aparently) go talent got to do 5 or 6 things she'd always fancied doing.
Why not not give an enthusiast, rather than a semi-famous person the oppertunity to do some of the things they'd never get the chance to do?
Oh, i forgot, this country seems to be gripped by the Cult of Celebrity and as a result its not worth viewing if it doesnt feature some celebrity.
What happened to making interesting TV, rather than shooting fish in a barrel, formulaic, repetitive dross?
Why not not give an enthusiast, rather than a semi-famous person the oppertunity to do some of the things they'd never get the chance to do?
Likelihood is an amateur could make a crap presenter.
I see no mention of any charity links for the ride which seems a shame.
cynic-al - Member
Why not not give an enthusiast, rather than a semi-famous person the oppertunity to do some of the things they'd never get the chance to do?
Likelihood is an amateur could make a crap presenter.
Mark beaumont made an excellent presenter on his cycling the americas show.
FWIW I quite like the cracknell/fogle duo, it's good telly, (even if it is shout at the telly content as per the south pole adventure) and if it inspires a few people to get out on a mountain bike then whats the harm.
Will they do it? I don't see why they couldn't - Don't forget that Cracknell is a man who likes to suffer, and Fogle is actually a strong athlete himself - they've both got the strength of mind, and isn't that half the battle in events like the great divide.
I fear there could be some dyed in the wool cyclists noses put out of joint if they did do it!
Cracknell and Fogle want to break the course record by completing it in 17 days.
Not a chance!
If they ride together, it's not an individual time trial, surely?
Good luck to them. No reason they can't do it, as they have rowed the Atlantic which is slightly tougher IMO. I think they have a good chance but also reckon some more experienced cyclist will beat them.
I think they'll do it, if someone gets upset by it, I don't know why
On the plus side they'll also raise the profile of the great divide race and all those athletes that have/are undertaking it. How many members of Joe Public have an idea that such a race exists?
I'm sure they will complete it. Rowing the atlantic takes 3 times as long and there is a lot less to look at. They will know what it takes mentally and thats what its all about. Be surprised if they 'break the record' though unless they are secret cyclists already.
Not got a problem with them personally or being paid. Jealous maybe.
I get your point bigyinn, I hate the cult of celebrity as much as anyone, but I'm quite looking forward to seeing this.
Yes, Fogle came out of a reality programme, but Cracknell is a genuine, talented, athlete. They make for a good balance. And that certainly is a challenge they are taking on.
Why not not give an enthusiast, rather than a semi-famous person the oppertunity to do some of the things they'd never get the chance to do?
One letter is only the start of it...
(quick, call Jimmy)
Lot's of cyclists are going to get their knickers in a twist if they succeed 🙂
My failure predication was that they won't break the course record BTW.
I think both are brilliant - Fogle was amazing on that Antartic crossing - stronger mentally than Cracknell and his other team mate. He's got proper grit. Yes he may have been an ex glossy mag editor but that doesn't mean he's not got the right stuff.
Cracknell, while super fit and talented, comes across as a bit of a selfish moaner at times.
As for why celebrities? You try getting radio and TV coverage plus raise money with a pair on unknowns - it simply won't happen.
Be interesting to see what happens, especially if they have any mechanical issues, I can see them geting a third person who wuill end up doing all the spannering
Fogle was pretty slow on the Etape and that was only 81miles.
Should make for a good programme - I'll be watching. I have no doubt they will finish the race, but I don't think they will beat the record.
Can I be the first to lower the tone and say that if they were going to be wearing little clothing, I would most definitely be watching. 8)
Two fit blokes for sure!
Fogle was pretty slow on the Etape and that was only 81miles.
What was your time then?
I predict they'll fail but it won't matter because a series of middle aged women across the Uk will be watching with bated breath wanting to clasp the chap's weatherbeaten faces to their busoms.
middle aged women across the Uk will be watching with bated breath wanting to clasp the chaps' weatherbeaten faces to their bosoms.
Oh yes 😆
A wee edit for you there! I can manage both.
But Fogle has hardly cycled at all
I was wonder about things like this... I don't consider doing the Etape "hardly cycling at all"
[i]Oh yes [/i]
lol
Just looked at his twitter feed -
"Cycled through the night across the South Downs. No sleep, soaked and covered in mud. Now off to announce Kenco young eco designer winner."
So he's doing a bit of cycling.
If they're aiming to finish it, they probably will.
If they're aiming to break the record they won't and they'll probably not make the finish either.
The actual race started earlier this week, so they [i]definitely[/i] won't win that 🙂
What they must be going for is the individual timetrial record - if they ride together, whatever time they get won't count as the record anyway. When you see how little kit the fast guys carry for the race, I think it's impossible to manage a fast time while carrying camera equipment, unless they have one Flip video camera each.
Fogle crashed out of the Etape Caledonia on the only significant climb. He couldn't have been that fast as he set off in the first group and I passed him just after he had fallen. (4:12 if that helps)
they wont break the record 160 miles off road every day with all the kit on their bike for 17 days evan at 10 mph which is very genrous that is 16 + hours cycling per day. Determination alone wont get you through that but yes they will complete it
6.3 mph average to break distance/time so assuming they sleep just a bit higher.
Just checked the record and the rcord holder raced it for five years starting with 21:02:47 in 06 he is the only person to break 18 days [twice] and next nearest is 18:11:13. THe course is now 36 miles longer as well so he may not have broken 18 days
Good luck breaking the record aint going to happen
TJ the tandem record is only 18:13:50 not tempted? You and sfb could do this surely 😉
Matthew Lee is an ultra-endurance machine. I can't see them breaking his record, though I do think they'll get to the finish, barring bad luck.
160 miles off road every day with all the kit on their bike for 17 days evan at 10 mph which is very genrous thatis 176 hours cycling per day
have I missed something with this calculation? 😉
[i]TJ the tandem record is only 18:13:50 not tempted? You and sfb could do this surely[/i]
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I've worked with TV presenters, and whilst they do get to do exciting stuff as part of their job, if you look at the amount of work they have to do in between the exciting bits to present the programme, personally I'd rather do a normal job and pay for my own holidays. It is bloody hard work - doing tech stuff on a TV shoot is tiring enough, and the poor presenters work ten times as hard as me.
We did a roughly 5 minute piece filming on rollercoasters last year, and the poor presenter had to go on one pretty long rollercoaster* something like 15 times, and also got repeatedly stuck on several of the biggest drop and spin rides in the park too. By the end of the day, he was completely broken - those things are very tiring to ride repeatedly without breaks to queue. On the piece, he just looks happy and professional throughout, and it just looks like he rode one time on each ride. It's a tiring job with 12 hour days and typically a fair bit of travelling to the 12 hour day too, and the ones who aren't super famous don't even get paid spectacularly well.
Joe
*"Saw" at Thorpe Park for any coaster nerds
Fogle is one of the most irritating people on TV - that Extreme Dreams programme that he did was ludicrous. Spoke to someone who had been on it and the guy is totally self obsessed too apparently.
We did a roughly 5 minute piece filming on rollercoasters last year, and the poor presenter had to go on one pretty long rollercoaster* something like 15 times, and also got repeatedly stuck on several of the biggest drop and spin rides in the park too. By the end of the day, he was completely broken - those things are very tiring to ride repeatedly without breaks to queue. On the piece, he just looks happy and professional throughout, and it just looks like he rode one time on each ride. It's a tiring job with 12 hour days and typically a fair bit of travelling to the 12 hour day too, and the ones who aren't super famous don't even get paid spectacularly well.
If they have to ride every bit 15 times, they definitely won't break the record 🙂
>The actual race started earlier this week
Different race innit.
Different race innit.
No.
[b]Edit[/b]: [i]see below.[/i]
Actually, I just looked the site again.
There are two ways to race the Tour Divide. One is the mass start, which is currently ongoing. The other is as a ITT, and they're listed on the official list: http://tourdivide.org/2010_ittdivide_start_list So they are racing Tour Divide.
There are a couple of things mentioned in [url= http://www.benfogle.com/590 ]the press release[/url] that I suspect might be against [url= http://tourdivide.org/the_rules ]the rules[/url] - it mentions supplies at prearranged drop off points and that a film crew will shadow them on the route.
So it's a different race then. Phew, for one moment I thought they'd missed the start 😉
160 miles a day off road??? Good luck to them.
My mate saw them doing some filming at Cwmcarn the other week, I was wondering what the challenge was going to be.
Crackers could quite likely manage the record. Even amongst the GB rowing team
he was know for being an ultra focussed nut job.
But Fogle, sorry just can't see it though I don't doubt he can complete it in a reasonable time.
I'm not what they are doing is against the rules at all...
You are allowed to ride with others, as long as you maintain your seperate kit and supplies.
Also, you are allowed to send pre-arranged supplies using commercialy available means... the rules even suggest using the US Post Offices.
Now, whether what they are doing is against the spirit of the rules is another question, but I can't see anything specifically in the rules that would stop them.
In which case, who's up for an STW attempt next year? Slowest attempt maybe?
;o)
Will CG be offering her bosoms to all finishers?
I was looking at the Great Divide website earlier on and noticed their names down for the 2010 timed event.
Had a look at [url= http://www.benfogle.com/590 ]Ben Fogle's website[/url] as a result
[i]The Tour Divide is the world’s longest off-road bike race. At 2745 miles (4418 km) long and the mountainous route is the equivalent of climbing Everest seven times to and from sea level.
Ben and James have previously crossed the Atlantic Ocean in a rowing boat in the RTS award-winning Through Hell and High Water, and raced to the South Pole in the crushingly cold Antarctic in On Thin Ice, but this new adventure will challenge them, both physically and mentally, like never before. Although James has some experience on road bikes, neither is yet trained in mountain biking, and Ben is not a cyclist at all.
To add to the pressure, they are attempting to break the current course record and complete the route in less than the current best time of 17 days and 21 hours. This inspirational challenge is no mean feat for mountain biking novices - to beat the record they will have to cover at least 160 miles (257km) every day.
Commenting on why they’re taking on this particular adventure, James Cracknell comments: “As ‘fun’ as the last two challenges were, the scenery in the Atlantic and on the Antarctic Plateau wasn’t that varied so the chance to see the Rockies on a bike whilst pushing hard and seeing how close we can get to the record is an irresistible combination.”
The route starts in Banff, Canada, and traverses the Rockies along the Continental Divide, which is the watershed between the Pacific on the West Coast and the Atlantic on the East Coast. But although being an unbelievably arduous physical feat, the bigger test is likely to be maintaining the mental stamina required.
Talking about the expedition, Ben Fogle said: “I love a challenge, but as a cycling novice this is a huge test and could well prove to be the toughest yet. In training, I’ve already had broken fingers and black eyes and I’ve yet to step foot in the Rockies!”
To attempt to beat the current world record, they must race unsupported so there will be no back up team alongside them with equipment or supplies. They must carry everything they need on their bikes, including all their camera equipment, but they are allowed to send supplies to pre-arranged locations to pick up en route.
The challenge of handling the unending miles ahead cannot be underestimated and will undoubtedly put a strain on their personal relationship. The experience of their other expeditions has shown them that team work is the key to success, and in this adventure it is going to be more important than ever.
The production crew behind both their previous adventures will film their training and shadow them where possible during the record attempt which Ben and James plan to start in August 2010.
BBC Executive Producer, Lisa Edwards, commented: “We’re delighted that James and Ben are returning to BBC Two with another inspirational challenge which, as their previous series’ have done, is sure to keep viewers enthralled.”
“It’s really exciting to be working with Ben and James again on a third world-beating adventure,” said Melanie Leach, Twofour’s Executive Producer. “We have followed them over the sea and ice, and watched in awe as their grit, determination and good humour has seen them through. This cycle race will test them to the limits and it will be fascinating to see how their relationship develops as they chase yet another record.”[/i]
Cheers, Rich
Anyone know what bikes they'll be using?
>Crackers could quite likely manage the record. Even amongst the GB rowing team he was know for being an ultra focussed nut job.
Wasn't he the weak link on the Arctic thing ? Both mentally and physically ?
To add to the pressure, they are attempting to break the current course record and complete the route in less than the current best time of 17 days and 21 hours.
Not a chance. But I expect they'll finish the course and have 'fun' doing it.
What samuri said.
the rules even suggest using the US Post Offices.
I think the rules say [i]only[/i] US Post Offices.
And would the camera crew class as "visitation to the GDMBR mid-race by family or friends"? Though the [url= http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ridethedividemovie.com%2F&ei=CxAaTIz3K-OV4gaEwMy_Cg&usg=AFQjCNEG6kll919m-APzMJCfwQYNUFa27w&sig2=PNNvKGaARRGWTNjf0dbDgQ ]Ride The Divide[/url] film must have done this, though equally between all racers.
I can't decide whether its humungous arrogance or ignorance that they are guilty of, thinking they can break the record. Probably both.
Anyone know what bikes they'll be using?
They're on Merida FS bikes on the photo on Fogle's blog.
I can't decide whether its humungous arrogance or ignorance that they are guilty of, thinking they can break the record. Probably both.
Or, it's good copy for the press release and the pitch for the programme?
IanMunro - Member
Will CG be offering her bosoms to all finishers?
If we all get to finish on her bosoms we may just raise a team
😆
😯
I'm well and truly shocked!
Actually, I'm not ... nothing surprises me on here. 🙄
You don't want an answer do you? 😉
I think they have the mental toughness to do it, and lets face it all these endurance things about mental ability rather than ultimate physical ability.
Still 160 miles a day, true off road, or are we talking fire tracks ?
Oh and Fogle isn't quite as tough as I thought he was. On his last TV documentary he was saying how difficult it is with a new baby to look after, his wife laughed and just said well what about the nanny we employ to look after your son all night ?!?!
Extreme Dreams was trash TV though, lets take some people who have never left the city and walk them up a hill and try and use the word 'Extreme' as many times as possible.
Hopefully Fogle will get lost and eaten by a bear. And his little doggie too.
Cracknell I would normally excuse, but I feel he has to also be eaten simply by association with the smugpot.
Was this the event Jenn wrote an article for Singletrack on? There's your presenter if you ask me.
Was this the event Jenn wrote an article for Singletrack on? There's your presenter if you ask me.
Yes and yes!
i would have to agree - incredible arrogance. characterised by thinking that they are going to smash the record on the first attempt.....
Only good i see coming is it will make it easier to pitch the time off to my recreational cycling boss. They will milk how tough it is and make it look ten times tougher....
Yes and yes!
Well, that's one thing settled anyway 🙂
You planning to do it trail_rat? Chapeau!
I dream of being fit enough again to ride a 12 hour without stopping for anything other than bio breaks. In fact, right now, I'd take 6 hours.
its already penciled in and planning has begun . 2012 start for me as im simply not getting during my 2 year graduate scheme at work.
Never mind the good things are worth waiting for . Took me 5 years to do the puffer solo after it being my first mtb race .... Finished 1st in my catagory after 5 years planning though. Not that ill be winning the tour divide thats gor sure . Enjoy the ride !
Still 160 miles a day, true off road, or are we talking fire tracks ?
I don't think there's much in the way of technical riding.
But, when the race is run, there's often snow on the mountain passes at the start and insane heat in the desert toward the finish.
I wonder what difference an August start will make to the conditions; I know there has been discussion about start dates and so forth on the MTBR forum.
2700miles with 200,000 ft of climbs.
Obviously a lot, but to put it in context, the South Downs is 100miles with 10,000 ft of climbs. Some people do it there and back for fun in less than 24hrs, with the record approx 18hrs.
Therefore, it equates to more climbs and possible similar surfaces and is possibly able to be ridden 25 times with kit in 16-17 days? (not me by the way! :lol:)
If you look at Fogle's Twitter feed then unless he's bullsh*tting about his biking experience and current training (i.e. swanning around the world) then he has no chance.
Never mind the good things are worth waiting for
Going to be about 3 years I reckon, it's the rugrats that need my time at the moment rather than the bike 🙂 Still spinning the wheels occasionally and enjoying it, thats the main thing.
Good luck with that - finishing something of that magnitude is one hell of a win in my book.
2700miles with 200,000 ft of climbs.Obviously a lot, but to put it in context, the South Downs is 100miles with 10,000 ft of climbs. Some people do it there and back for fun in less than 24hrs, with the record approx 18hrs.
Therefore, it equates to more climbs and possible similar surfaces and is possibly able to be ridden 25 times with kit in 16-17 days? (not me by the way! :lol:)
With bears, rattle snakes, snow-bound mountain passes, dry deserts and altitude 🙂
If you look at Fogle's Twitter feed then unless he's bullsh*tting about his biking experience and current training (i.e. swanning around the world) then he has no chance.
Tell that to Eddie Izzard...
Tell that to Eddie Izzard...
What Eddie did was great, but he didn't exactly break any records, which is what they're claiming to be aiming for. (I don't believe for a second that they genuinely think they have a shot at the record, by the way.)
I think Jenns talent is writing.Its always been my view that people like Cracknell and Fogle make good tv because they have well lubed tear ducts and are drama queens.It makes for good viewing.I always wonder how much is staged or true.Following Jenn woulds be like watching paint dry because she gets the job done,no drama.Quite a few in the ultra endurance self support world very similiar.
Good luck to them.Emailed a few bookies today to see if they will entertain a wager on them failing.
They'll push themselves too hard too early on, then fail spectacularly in sea of moaning and sulking from that cracknell. Fogle will stick out his big nose and posh it up to the camera about how extreme it is. The general punters will love it, but I'd prefer to see a film about Matt Lee who is storming this year's race. and Aidan Harding's doing damn well as well.
Which brings me to a point why aren't fogle and cracknell on the start line with this year's racers?
It's biking ont' box wtf is bad about that?
I hope they give it a good go and I hope they make a half decent program, it got to be better than XcntunigFactor.
No they won't beat the record but there's no harm in aiming high and failing spectacularly [code] 😀
It's biking ont' box wtf is bad about that?
My only reservation is one that presents riding bikes as a weird, separatist sporting activity only, and not something that regular people can do to go to the shops or get to work.
But, then, we all like drama. So, I don't mind that. And perhaps people might see that riding bikes is more than just pumping the tyres up once a year and wobbling to the pub.
160 miles a day in the rockies - not a chance of doing that myself - altitude is a killer even without kit.
I just finished the antartic book which I enjoy. I like the fact that they do something very challenging so good luck to 'em
Plum
Which brings me to a point why aren't fogle and cracknell on the start line with this year's racers?
You can race the TD at any time of year as an ITT, as well as the mass start race.
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Junkyard - MemberTJ the tandem record is only 18:13:50 not tempted? You and sfb could do this surely
I am not getting on a tandem with SFB. We would never be able to agree which way to go, who gets the front seat, what cadence to pedal at or anything else. I predict dummies out of prams very quickly.
Good luck to the boys for having a go I say
Craknell has some form on a bike. He made the GB age group team for the European Triathlon Champs and came 8th I believe (I was there, but can't remember exactly - top 10 certainly). He is a pants runner but does well by pushing on the bike. He also showed he was pretty handy on a bike in 2008 when he rode the 1300 road miles in 7 days in his Row the channel; bike to Gibraltar; swim to Africa challenge. Big step up to this though...
i read (i think in john metcalfs training book but it may have been elsewhre) that in endurance sport and particulary cycling you need a career to build up rather than a season of hard training.
i think that most people, who are inclined, and with professional support could train to finish the divide, but to aim to break the record first time out is optimistic, arrogant and imo misinformed, you only have to look at this years leaderboard to see the number of people who have gone lost and had to backtrack already!!