have the tories gone too far?

Gone too far? They haven’t done anything yet. Other than spend yet more of other peoples money. Other people who haven’t even been born yet because they owe so much.

They could happily simplify all the pointless crap we have to put up with and get rid of half the public sector overnight.

anagallis_arvensis – Member

Today I taught my upper 6th Biology class who are all looking forward to going to University next year and then straight after had my lower sixth class, many of which are not going to go to university….. and those who do will be 27 grand more in debt than those a year older than them. That is an idealogical shift and nothing to do with the defecit as it wont be reversed, it is, I think, very sad.

I agree, feels just like 1997 when the Labour government introduced tuition fees/scrapped grants in the first place.

On the spending cuts, from the “spending doscument“…

“public spending as a percentage of GDP will return to the level seen in 2006-07, and in real terms will retrun to the level seen in 2008-09.”

In relation to the above (and as noted in the linked article), of course spending on debt servicing has risen in the meantime, so less is available to spent on services then was in either 2006, 2007 or 2008.

There would have been cuts to public spending cuts whoever won the election. It was, as the saying goes, a good election to lose. Have the Conservatives gone too far? I’d say not – but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to hurt.

The really dreadful news is that it means Labour might regain power at the next election…

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YES

I agree with stumpyjon. Always used to lean towards the Tories but Ernie, whom I don’t normally agree with on political matters, is making sense.

Ernie for PM. 😀

They could happily simplify all the pointless crap we have to put up with and get rid of half the public sector overnight

You think 3 million more people on the dole will help? with half as many people to process them ?
Perhaps you are ok with doubling class sizes and halfing the number of schools , a similiar issue with hospitals and doctors not to mention police, fire, courts and the prison service.

There would have been cuts to public spending cuts whoever won the election

or tax rises to cover the costs
i dont think anyone thinks the current budget defecit is sustainable but the issue is would it be better to cut no drastically to save money now or spend a bit more, reduc eot slowly and “fuel” the recovery till we are in a fiscally stronger position to sirt it out properly. DO slash and burn now is IMHO very dangerous and borne as much from ideology as necessity. I doubt it will work and cant see the private sector rescuing us

I agree, feels just like 1997 when the Labour government introduced tuition fees/scrapped grants in the first place.
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really? 27 grand is a lot more than the debt i came away with i started in 1995 got a grant for 2 of those years but was ‘only’ a couple of grand a year

really? 27 grand is a lot more than the debt i came away with i started in 1995 got a grant for 2 of those years but was ‘only’ a couple of grand a year

Is there a difference in the way the fees will have to be paid back as opposed to the way grants are?

If it’s just about money, about balancing the books, how come this:

http://taxjustice.blogspot.com/2008/02/tescos-tax-tricks.html

It’s ideological, and will have the unintended effect of politicising a new generation of young people who will come to realise, yet again, that the Tories are not nice people.

Is there a difference in the way the fees will have to be paid back as opposed to the way grants are?

yes the grant was free and was not paid back. Now you invest [27K +]in yourself safe in the knowledge that 50% of your peers have degrees and less than 50% of jobs are graduate calibre and homes cost 4 x the average salary.
Only way my kids are going is if a grandparent dies about the right time and leaves enough. Dave and Gideons kids might just be going whatever happens

Those who say there is no money available are wrong. There is plenty of money available, it’s just kept by the large corporations and the nouveau rich, non of whom pay anywhere near the percentage of tax we pay. This government are the worst I can remember in my lifetime. A bunch of rich idiots looking after their toff friends. The scrapping of the Vodaphone tax bill, Barclays only paying 2.5% tax on profits of several billion, even footballers setting up companies to avoid paying a percentage of their taxes. Tax is for us poor hard working sods to pay not the rich.

well said nacho this tory scum will bring the country to its knees and it will be left to labour to clear the mess up!

If it’s just about money, about balancing the books, how come this:

http://taxjustice.blogspot.com/2008/02/tescos-tax-tricks.html

But aren’t Tesco here making use of a tax structure which is in no way the ‘fault’ of the Coalition? I also *think* there are plans in place to restructure the coroprate tax system, but don’t know why I think that…

yes the grant was free and was not paid back. Now you invest [27K +] in yourself safe in the knowledge that 50% of your peers have degrees and less than 50% of jobs are graduate calibre and homes cost 4 x the average salary.

I hadn’t known grants were free. Have just been reading. I was getting them confused with student loans. Regardless, neither the % with degrees, the % of graduate jobs or house prices are anything to do with the Coalition.

There is plenty of money available, it’s just kept by the large corporations and the nouveau rich, non of whom pay anywhere near the percentage of tax we pay. This government are the worst I can remember in my lifetime. A bunch of rich idiots looking after their toff friends.

But all of whom (corporations and individuals) are paying their tax as required under a tax regime set up by the last (Labour) government. A bit rich blaming the Coalition for this…

A bit rich blaming the Coalition for this…

Didn’t you know? It’s all Thatcher’s fault, unless it’s teheviltoryscum coalition’s fault. Nothing happened in between, nothing at all…….Oh no. Nothing whatsoever.

big_n_daft – Member

Thirdly, you could get 2 million people back to work, so that they are all paying taxes …….. instead of pushing unemployment up even higher.

Fourthly, you could force employers to pay a living wage so that the government isn’t forced to subsidise them through the benefits system.

“How are you going to do the first one with a expandeible workforce due to EU membership who will be attracted by your second idea?”

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The job of the British government is to provide the conditions for decent jobs which pay decent wages…….for British workers.

It is not the responsibility of the British government to solve Lithuania’s or Poland’s unemployment problems …….that’s their problem.

The EU can go and **** themselves as far as I’m concerned – they have no moral right to tell a sovereign nation how to conduct their affairs.

And I have to say, of all the excuses I have ever heard for not paying a decent living wage, the suggestion that it will attract foreign workers has to be the most pisspoor.

Are you seriously going to tell British workers that they have to be kept deliberately poor, lest foreigners are attracted ? Yeah right, it’s for there own good really. Funnily enough though, it’s the complete opposite for bankers and the super-rich ……. they need to be even wealthier and have huge pay rises otherwise they will bugger-off to another country. How very convenient…….if you’re a wealthy Tory banker. ffs

And before you start whingeing “but the economy can’t afford to pay all workers a living wage” I’ll remind you that Britain is the 5th wealthiest nation on earth. If those responsible can’t get their act together so that all workers get a living wage, then they, or the system, is incompetent, and should be replaced.

No one in full-time employment in Britain should need to have their wages topped up by the taxpayers through the benefit system. Unless of course there are exceptional circumstances.

I despised NuLav – and I depise the present bunch of jokers every bit asmuch, Andrew Lansley especially so. The NHS may be far from perfect, but his ill-thought-out reforms manage to threaten what it can do well.

Keep Our NHS Public

almost everything you post flash is just to blame labour 🙄
DO you think the Tories have an idelogical belief in a small state..go on answer a direct question [without reference to labour]it is an easy one to wean you on to saying something about the tories rather than about labour 😉

“But all of whom (corporations and individuals) are paying their tax as required under a tax regime set up by the last (Labour) government. A bit rich blaming the Coalition for this…”

I can blame who I like – although I might be wrong 😉

I don’t have the article to hand but the 6 BILLION Vodaphone tax write off came after a meeting betweem some (current) government bod and the head of Vodaphone.
I don’t think Labour would be much better but people who say there is no money are completely wrong. And the coalition say “there is no money so we have to tax everyone more”. Except of course our richest friends and cronies who we will tax less.

I don’t know, Junky. There’s your answer. I know I do believe in a smaller state, though.

I can blame who I like – although I might be wrong 😉

😀

Well thanks for trying I will go for an easier one next time.

ernie lynch for prime minister, then again he would be no good for that job as he will tell you how it really is. when will politicians learn that all we want is the truth and not rabid lies deceit and bullshit! the story about vodaphone makes my stomach churn when i think of all the doctors and nures who will be loosing there jobs and make no mistake about it folk will die because of this tory scum!

in 1992 when the scum was in power the average wait for a hernia operation was two years and 8 months. in 2005 i waited 8 weeks from being diagnosed to actually having my operation done. I REST MY CASE!

in 1992 when the scum was in power the average wait for a hernia operation was two years and 8 months. in 2005 i waited 8 weeks from being diagnosed to actually having my operation done. I REST MY CASE!

What was the waiting time in the late 1970s?

Government spending has gone UP!

do you not get it?

we are spending more than we are taking in tax

if we borrow money to make up the difference, we have to pay interest on it – we are borrowing even more money to pay interest on the loans.

Do you understand?

This is the mess that labour left – there is no money the cupboard is bare!

Either, we pay more tax, or we spend less – its one or the other!

Can somebody post a link to a decent explanation of this? I want to see actual evidence and not Tory proselytising/scare mongering, which has on the large been regurgitated by the popular press. I regularly read the papers, I watch the news, and I still havent seen any evidence that the cuts have to be so sudden and far reaching.

I do recall reading that Gordon Brown’s government, along with the bank of England projected a 14 year turnaround and spending plan that would not have seen cuts of this nature, and would have allowed spending, particularly the revamping and rebuilding of schools, to continue as it has been. It described a domestic economic recovery from global recession that, pre-election, the tories stated was un-achievable. So far, the tories have benefitted from a recovery that has matched these projections virtually point for point (though it has slowed of late).

As a Police Officer I am in a public sector ‘profession’ that is very soon to be hit the hardest by cuts, changes in pension entitlement etc. I have over 100 colleagues with over 30 years experience apiece, and mostly under the age of 55 years, who by June will be ‘sacked’ on efficiency grounds – losing 3000 years of policing experience in one fell swoop is considered efficient?.

There is a 3 year pay freeze, an end to bonuses, a projected increase to 13% pension contributions, a 27 year cap on service meaning that despite having some of the highest pension contributions of any profession, effictively my pension may be halved on retirement. Don’t believe the hype that the Police pension scheme was so much better than everyone elses (as is often portrayed) it isn’t.

Yes, the Tories have gone too far, and they’re doing it far too quickly

the fact is that this tory scum do not care about the police nhs or education or public transport for the simple reason that they have private healthcare private education never use public transport and all live in very low crime areas. THEY DO NOT LIVE IN OUR WORLD AND NEVER WILL AND UNTIL POLITICIANS OF ALL PARTIES USE THE SAME SERVICES AS THE REST OF US NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE!

UNTIL POLITICIANS OF ALL PARTIES USE THE SAME SERVICES AS THE REST OF US NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE!

Tell that to the Camerons who used the same NHS as you and I when their handicapped son was terminally ill.

Now, crawl back under your bridge.

would this be the same david scumeron who said not one doctor or nurse or policeman would lose their job if he was elected. and his government is closing day centres for handicapped children the **** hypocrite. he had no option but to use the nhs when his son was ill! wake up and smell the coffee you retard!

Troll. Time to stop feeding it.

Tell that to the Cameron’s

With respect, CFH, if Cameron is so enamoured with the NHS, he is going to have to do a better – much better – job of explaining why it has to be sold off to Serco opened up to competition. Especially when it comes to specialised services (Paediatric stuff especially).

Tell that to the Cameron’s who used the same NHS as you and I when their handicapped son was terminally ill.

And that, my friend, is Politics.

wake up smell the coffee you retard!

I say, you called the Good Captain a “retard” …….. not on dear fellow 😐

i am not a fellow ernie i am a woman.

Reverts to type.

You sound like a right filthy *****… how you doing?

I say, you called the Good Captain a “retard”

CFH is no longer retired, iirc… judging by recent threads, he has been brought back into service.

He is about to retire, as he’s rather tired! 😉

Well in that case, I must most strongly protest about your unladylike behaviour …….. my dear woman.

foxyboy – Member

would this be the same david scumeron who said not one doctor or nurse or policeman would lose their job if he was elected. and his government is closing day centres for handicapped children the **** hypocrite. he had no option but to use the nhs when his son was ill! wake up and smell the coffee you retard!

I love this guy!

He’s like elfinsafety: The High School Years.

ernie chill out man and dont be sexist i can mix it with the boys you know! i actually agree with everything that you have said i hate this tory scum with a passion as they always target low paid folk and disabled and handicapped folk who are unable to defend themselves. they make my blood boil!