Grouse moor licencing, Scotland.

Awful news.

Just to point out. Hares cause massive crop damage on arable. Land.

Really? citation please because these are mountain hares!

I’m not talking about mountain hares I’m talking about brown hares. (I said arable land) Most hare drives are for the latter.

That’s terrible news about the fire 🙁

And the slaughter of hares I am objecting to are the mountain hares. the discussion was of mountain hares.

Whatever. Be easier if you simply ignored everything I type.

The guys clothes caught fire. I don’t know if they use an accelerant?
Awful way to go. Another worker was burned as well.
I’m sure I’ve met the guy a few times through shooting.

I believe they usually use an accelerant. Awful way to go.

Whatever. Be easier if you simply ignored everything I type.

I prefer to call you out for nonsense and deflection – and agree with yo when you are right.

Poor timing from me – I hadn’t seen the comment on hares until you bumped the thread and that I apologise for

Whether brown hares cause crop damage is moot, but it’s closed season for hunting them without a license from 1st February and I’m seeing plenty of evidence of dead hares locally. Most crops grown here are fodder crops. I did see a hen harrier a couple of times in our glen a week ago, but that seems to have cleared off. I only have to walk past the corpses of rabbits lying on the verges for weeks on end to know there are few predators and it’s a very sterile environment. I saw foxes daily in Hampshire but have never seen one here.

The hen Harrier will have been killed. same as any other bird of prey they can kill on or near a grouse moor.

Whatever. Be easier if you simply ignored everything I type.

Would it be easy for you to provide citations for a number of claims you have made on this thread?

I’ve asked previously but assume you missed it.

No I never missed it.

I won’t be doing it though. Loads of “facts” here are lifted from anti shooting activists websites and taken as gospel.
If I repeat information from a shooting body website it’s rubbished as lies.

So, no. Either believe me or don’t I’m not worried either way. It’s a discussion forum. I’m talking from experience, if I can’t back that up to your satisfaction it’s hardly the end of my world.

Similarly I know that “Raptor protection” outfits like the one sited earlier are not to be trusted.

More assertions without evidence

You claimed that the RSPB and other groups fabricated evidence and refused to back up that assertion. Presumably because there is no evidence

so why is the Raptor protection outfit ( which one?) not to be trusted and what evidence do you have?

your problem here is that all the assertions from the conservation side ( bar the lunatic fringe) are actually well backed up by facts

If yo make assertions without evidence as yo have done you will be called out on it.

But tbh I’m not bothered. Once I realised I was being called out by someone who struggled to comprehend information laid out in front of them, it became moot.

It’s the internet. Don’t sweat it.

You have not laid out any information giving any evidence that the RSPB or any other similar outfit have been fabricating evidence. I think its clear you have none just the usual hysterical false accusations.

If you had any evidence you would show it

What would be the point ? You refuse to admit that you don’t understand what you are reading.

As I said, Not worried what your opinion is really so crack on.
Or just ignore me and save yourself the grief.

Oh I do understand much more than you think and am quite happy to ask for clarification if I do not

so where is the evidence you have? I will examine it with an open mind.

My brother lives in the Highlands. His land backs on to a big estate that runs a lot of shooting.

Recently one of the guys who works for him came running to say someone had shot a bird on his land. He ran down to the location and saw a masked man, with a shotgun under his arm retrieving what looked like a dead Goshawk. When the bloke saw him, he ran off towards the fence and climbed over on to he adjacent estate. My brother gave chase but the culprit climbed on to a quad and roared off over the fields. Also there was a Landrover, decked out in the livery of said estate, with two masked men in it. This also drove off and its reg plate wasn’t visible.

He did report it but the lack of identifying evidence meant it went nowhere.

He’s previously found an injured Goshawk on his land with pellet wounds that the RSPB rescued.

If I repeat information from a shooting body website it’s rubbished as lies.

Then provide information that doesn’t come from a shooting body.

Once I realised I was being called out by someone who struggled to comprehend information laid out in front of them, it became moot.

What information? All I’ve seen is an unsubstantiated opinion.

A bit like namastebuzz’s post. I personally don’t know if it’s true or not. And won’t until I see some sort of credible 3rd party verification. And I don’t include Raptor Persecution campaigners as credible 3rd parties.

Hopefully the link will work, statement about Brewdog’s intentions for the estate they just bought👍

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lost-forest-james-watt

Good stuff from brewdog. I hope they get it right.

I’d like to see them join the Cairngorms Connect project rather than go it alone. The objectives are very similar. Some of their plans might fall foul of the CNPA planning folk but that’ll come out in the wash.

And I don’t include Raptor Persecution campaigners as credible 3rd parties.

the raptor persecution blog only uses verifiable evidence. reports from the police, RSPB, SWT etc.

they are very credible. for example:
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2021/04/01/gun-banned-poisons-dead-birds-of-prey-seized-in-third-multi-agency-raid-in-england/?fbclid=IwAR2oQA3Rhn3CS1w7cRwWM6QpCda_-r1-Jx2FTg3N9IhdKPPRerC5uW8Wgag

https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/another-kestrel-shot-dead-in-west-yorkshire/?fbclid=IwAR2qYcJrKxTk4gQ_GqdxjEybkjIqIQ3S_BavpXiGYZ8ND98IzPucHaUk-sg

TJ, I mean I wouldn’t take Raptor Persecution alone on their word. If I’m able to find additional verification then great. More so from the police reports than any other option.

Whereas a report only found on a shooting site, with nothing at all to support remains, to me, an unsubstantiated claim. And the longer those claims go unproven the more (I’ll be generous here) dubious those claims become.

The awesome weather and blue skies of the last few days totally spoilt but the rising plumes of muirburn smoke on the Glenlivet, Glenfiddich and Glenrinnes Estates – they really don’t give a shit.

Fairy snuff piemonster. Judge both sides by the same standards. its obvious which side is lying tho 🙂

On the Brewdog thing, I know this is an unpopular idea, but I’d rather see them build a brewery and bottling/distribution plant on Speyside than another hotel. We need to get away from the idea that the Highlands are only good for tourism. That diversification of employment opportunities would go a long way to providing an alternative to the hegemony of the large “sporting” estates.

I would agree with you. I hope they get this right but I have the impression they are well meaning but a bit daft

Oh dear, so sad/too bad. A golden Eagle seemed to have eaten something it disagreed with on the Invercauld estate last month. Bloody townies trying to discredit the guardians of the countryside by dumping carcasses on their estates!

HSE will hopefully hammer the estate that poor guy died working on, sounds very much like flameproof equipment and PPE were absent, tragically. 🙁

Is Brads just a troll? From what I can see he’s complaining about accuracy of info but is yet to provide any evidence to counter the claims he’s unhappy about.

Oh dear, so sad/too bad. A golden Eagle seemed to have eaten something it disagreed with on the Invercauld estate last month. Bloody townies trying to discredit the guardians of the countryside by dumping carcasses on their estates!

I have published SGA’s multiple choice press release below:
Where is the evidence?
It was probably the RSPB
Townies don’t understand
We make millions for the local economy and without us all wildlife will die, economies will die and the countryside will die
It wouldn’t have happened if we could burn more heather
It was Chris Packham

My god they hate Packham don’t they?!

Is Brads just a troll? From what I can see he’s complaining about accuracy of info but is yet to provide any evidence to counter the claims he’s unhappy about.

Just steeped in the huntin’ shootin’ fishin’ world. I have never seen anything credible about major players on the conservation side being underhand let alone anything more serious.

There is no doubt at all that raptors are deliberately killed by the dozen on grouse moors all over Scotland.

@Pauly
Read the thread, I’m not trolling , but nice effort of it yourself.

without evidence you are little more than a troll tbh. please supply some evidence to back up your previous posts. ta

It’s not just shooters..

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rare-protected-osprey-nest-chopped-20507716

Probably anglers who are envious that Ospreys are better at catching fish. Tosspots.

without evidence you are little more than a troll tbh. please supply some evidence to back up your previous posts. ta

I posted all the info about the raptor group mentioned if you could be arsed to look at the thread for it.

There’s as little evidence from the people claiming that they are being shot so I’ll keep my open mind.

Contribute to the thread rather than troll me please I have no interest in what you think.

Probably anglers who are envious that Ospreys are better at catching fish. Tosspots.

Saldy this is likely. Total ****.

As bad as egg collectors.

Invercauld estate 19th march poisoned golden eagle. Police have examined the hare that has been shown to have been laced with poison.
Searches been carried out but no arrests made.