Explain the "Thatcher" thing to me

Easy Hora, you’re beginning to sound like you mean it 😆

I always liked Frankie Boyles comments about the proposal for a state funeral for her, which would supposedly cost three million pounds – “three million quid – for that money, you could buy everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we’d dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan personally”.
It’s difficult for me to say anything positive about the woman, I saw at first hand the damage her policies caused, a legacy that is still seen and felt here in South Yorkshire. My disco slippers are very much ready, and furthermore, my bladder’s full to bursting point.

Emsz she did “deliberately make a whole class of unemployed people” there is no such thing as society , i’m old enough to remember before during and after THATCHER pre Thatch the unions had massive power could hold the country to ransom and humiliate the Govt winter of discontent power cuts rubbish in the streets unburied dead.

The then traditional conservative govt plan was to do the best in the circumstances, Thatcher changed that by having a strong ideology monetarism individuality etc, She welcomed a fight with the unions and was happy to destroy the primary and secondary industries where union power was strong. Her aim was to change the economy from a balanced one to a financial industries powerhouse hence the rise of the Banker and Broker.

The result in the industrial/mining areas was and is catastrophic many thriving working communities lost the bulk of their jobs and became sink estates certainly where I’m from the use and supply of drugs went through the roof as boredom bread demand and lack of income became a motive to offend.

The Police became a political tool ” i joined to serve my community i ended up helping to destroy it ” is a quote from a south yorks bobby.

A wide section of society loved her she was a powerful and charismatic leader with a strong sense of self belief but there is a massive difference between being popular and being right. As stated above she bought the economic boom by flogging off the country’s assets ultimately to trans national companies which withdraw the capital and jobs so ruining the country.

I don’t blame Thatcher alone but she was the front person and claimed personal credit , the Tory party soon gave her the elbow when they thought it suited them .

I do Blame and hate Blair with a passion i voted for that murdering deceitful Thatcher spawn.

I’ll mourn the day. What a woman. Not like every politician since. Cameron is a bloody makeweight/wishy-washy with weak leadership.

ding dong, she dead yet? ps bitch stole my milk in 87!

I do Blame and hate Blair with a passion i voted for that murdering deceitful Thatcher spawn

Agree with this too – have never felt so let down (or rather, allowed myself to be unrealistically optimistic)

I’ll mourn the day. What a woman. Not like every politician since. Cameron is a bloody makeweight/wishy-washy with weak leadership.

Stop trying to troll!

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I vote that on the fateful day we all go round to Hora’s house and hold a party – we can wear paper hats, blow those paper tube things and follow him around all day laughing at his tears! 😆

from BBC article, sum her up..

what I can never forget or forgive Thatcher for was the vindictive way that she systematically destroyed the coal mining industry of this country.

It was done not for any economic reason, it was pure out and out revenge for the actions that brought down the Heath government.

ive witnessed first hand those dark days in Wales, the irony is coal will come back.

also she gave the order to destroy an argentine ship when it was outside the exclusion zone and heading home. but we wont go into that one!

She stole my milk when I was at school.
Maggie Thatcher – Milk Snatcher.

Actually I reckon that the people who love her to bits are a bit into dominatrices and have a desire for spanking.

Dunno why. It has always been an image that stuck in my head when people eulogise her. “Ooh PM I’ve been a very naughty boy…” 😀

As for that film – it is too early to make it. From what I hear it portrays her in a very positive light (most probably to get the US dollars flowing in). A film like this is best made about 20 years after her death so both positive and negative views have settled somewhat and a more rounded view can be seen.

Some bullet points:

– Thatcher wanted to close the loss-making mines (20 out of 160).
– Unions vowed to stand united to oppose any closures as they had also bullied the previous government. So walked out for a year.

In the end it ended up with more being closed.

– Alot of Policemen made a packet in overtime payments
– Scargill lives a guilded lifestyle at the expense the Miners Union still.

Who are the losers?

I think you can have some grudging admiration for her abilities to follow a policy even when it was massively resented

… but the term “hard-faced cow” must have been invented specifically for her

I’m glad the tories **** her off when she’d outlived her usefulness – it’s what she would’ve wanted done

(Addit – that was in no way a response to you Hora. You really can’t see who the losers were ?? 😯 )

I think you can have some grudging admiration for her abilities to follow a policy even when it was massively resented

Agree apart from the invasion of Iraq (the mass march on London protest) every politician seems to listen and temper their line accordingly.

As someone who was old enough to remember but not vote for or care much about Thatcher, I find this fascinating. What seems clear is there once was a time when politics was properly divisive; when one party very clearly stood for different values than another; when your political allegiance defined who you were as a person rather than what tit-bit you craved from the latest manifesto come election time.

I want to contribute to this thread. Unfortunately I can’t. I can’t even read it, as it will invariably involve someone, probably Hora, defending the nasty, hideous, poisonous, vindictive, evil corrosive bitch.

I’ll let Mr Costello summarise my feelings more eloquently

TJ I don’t understand why a govt would Diliberatly make a whole class of unemployed people

What I was going to say has been posted. The unions were able to get whatever they wanted by calling strikes whenever they felt like it. I think that this was a major problem in British industry.

However, she solved that paritcular problem by destroying the industries that were most powerful. Except that had the side effects of destroying many communities and towns. Imagine a town where most people worked for a particular employer, and suddenly that employer is shut down. What are you going to do? You’ve only got one skill and all the other employers are also shut down.

They claimed at the time that British coal was uneconomical to produce. Well, some of it probably was, either because it was being mined out or because the mines were not efficiently run. In any case, one of these mines was bought by a consortium of people who worked there using their own redundancy payments, and continued to operate at a profit for what – 15 years? Until they actually had run out of coal which was just a few years ago. The Tower Colliery – the local mine of my Dad’s village – two of my Uncles worked there for a time, my Gramps worked there all his life. My Dad also worked in the mines but at Glynneath on the other side of the mountain.

Come on Binners, you can join me at Hora’s house come the day… 😆

Why don’t people blame their parents for the way their life turned out?

Or blame themselves?

If theres no work in deepest Wales, why not **** move to where there is work.

“No lad you see I’ve lived here for generations and I’m **** if I’m going elsewhere. I’d rather sit here in a council house drawing benefits whilst feeling quasi-proud about not moving away from my roots’ and blame someone for not knocking on my door and providing work just a bicycle ride away.

Of **** off.

I want to contribute to this thread. Unfortunately I can’t. I can’t even read it, as it will invariably involve someone, probably Hora, defending the nasty, hideous, poisonous, vindictive, evil corrosive bitch.

My apologies hora, you’re not trolling. You actually believe that what she did was good for the country. 😯

I think you can have some grudging admiration for her abilities to follow a policy even when it was massively resented

Absolutely not. Pig-headedness is in no way an admirable quality.

Obviously people will now tell me about the countries that have managed to maintain their manufacturing in state ownership and take it from strength to strength

Germany

The Jezza thread vs this for longevity.

My money’s on this.

She was is ginger Marmite.

Think in terms of these issues :-

Freeing up the banks to do unfettered lending
The breakdown of traditional monogamous relationships
The cost of property
The obesity epidemic
The current state of British Rail
The current state of the Gas industry
The current state of the electricity industry
The current state of the water industry
The current state of our Steel industry
The current state of our coal industry
The current state of our financial institutions
The state of the NHS when New Labour came to power and the amount of money it took to repair it

To name but a few, and you’ll have a general idea of why she’s held in such esteem.

I suspect we’ll make the day the old bitch dies a national holiday here in Scotland.

“Why don’t people blame their parents for the way their life turned out?”
Oddly enough hora, my life changed dramatically because of what the right honourable bitch cow did. I was on strike for a year, then got made redundant. Following that, I did my nurse training, and here I am twenty odd years later, still nursing. Would I have done that if I’d have still had a job in the pit? I cant say. What I can say is that I feel bloody lucky to have been able to move on, and that I still see people and places that havent been able to, and are still suffering for it. As far as blaming my parents, I have nothing but gratitude for what my mam and dad did for me. With regards to Scargill living a gilded lifestyle – how do you know, other than what the media tells you to believe? Following the strike, his wife divorced him, and he’s very, very much a shadow of his former self. I know he had a monstrous ego, and made some bad decisions at the time, but I for one would have followed him anywhere.

Not read the whole thread but, any one who lives in the North of England and sees the industrial desolation ,caused by policies that came from her belief that Britain should be a service economy, would be pretty misguided not to hate her IMO.

She has done more for the uk balance of payments deficit and social division than any politician ever AND the current lot seem to be following her template to build further on that legacy. Bitch.

Just what will the UK think when “the ladys not for turning” does eventually pop off??

I do wonder how her legacy will be treated.

Now then, who said “Mark Thatcher”… calm down at the back you..

TandemJeremy – Member
As a deliberate policy she pushed millions onto the dole and wasted the north sea oil money paying for them to do nothing.

We still are paying the price to day as the underclass she deliberately created continue to exist.

it was done to drive down the price of labour and to reduce the power of the unions. Unemployment from a million to nearer five million. Industry was devastated and the rich got richer while the poor got poorer

A massive crime against the people of our country. Of course some will defend her- the people who did well out of it – the richer amongst us.

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TJ sums it all up to start with,she destroyed the briritsh car and trucka nd bus industry that was BL, she closed the coal minmes so now we have to rly on expensive nuclear poweer, cheap to produce some idiots say, but oh so dear to keep safe for future generations, she closed down the large psychie hospitals and created care in the community, where menetally ill people are allowed to walk the streets with little or no treatment,she destroyed the steel industry, and most heavy engoineering, she wasted billions of oil money, paying her cronies huge sums to create training companies, that failed instead of giving the money to the coleges that existed, she destroyed working class comunities by destroying their workplaces, and created a them and us mentalitity, she sold off the council houses, bt, british steel, the water and electric boards, along with the gas,british rail, etc all companies who make massive profits and charge huge prices, we now have massive unemployment thats not going to be soaked up by pointless media studies degrees amongst others in the newly created univercities, some which are failing already and being taken over.

She must really be quite cheered by how she destroyed the unions power, and be quite happy at how poor a turnout the so called day off of work the unions and media created between themselves on wednesday .

A few yrs ago i was fortunate enough to be offered a part in the Channel4 documentary/dramatisation about the Battle of Orgreave during the Miners Strike.
That weekend i met many former miners who were there on that horrible day and i was struck by the implacable bitterness from that community towards Thatcher and her Ministers that still reverberates to this day.

At the end of filming there was a march down the road behind the Union banners, and again i was struck by how those men once again lifted their heads, firmed their chins and marched in pride.

*Plus, i got to hit a famous Hollywood director with a rubber rock! 😳

Why don’t people blame their parents for the way their life turned out?

Or blame themselves?

If theres no work in deepest Wales, why not **** move to where there is work.

“No lad you see I’ve lived here for generations and I’m **** if I’m going elsewhere. I’d rather sit here in a council house drawing benefits whilst feeling quasi-proud about not moving away from my roots’ and blame someone for not knocking on my door and providing work just a bicycle ride away.

Of **** off.

You’re right Hora. People should get off their backside and find a job. But if you were from a mining town (and I’m assuming you’re not) and had had an appalling education, then stuck down the mines at 15 (this is precisely what happened to my father), what exactly would you do if you were suddently put out of work at 35? No qualifications, a recession on ….. sure, there were some jobs down South, but nowhere near enough. And some places had a mixed economy, but if you went to, say, the Durham coalfields there really wasn’t much else around there. It was the biggest employer (on both a primary and secondary basis) by a huge margin. It stopped, everything stopped. People couldnt afford cars, so the garage closed. People didn’t need labourers or builders. The metal-bashing firms were big suppliers to the mines, so they shut too. Supermarkets shut.

Jobs just a bike ride away? I can assume only that you’re either quite young and just know about history, or never lived in a part of the country which was really affected. I watched communites crumble and saw homeless people appear in my city.

Miners are not workshy people – there’s a proud tradition of hard graft in the industry – so to blithely talk about people as somehow not being bothered, not caring about whether they could get a job is just so far of the mark that it’s not funny.

Building, Labouring? etc etc.

She’s responsible for killing our primary and secondary sectors, putting too much faith in the tertiary?

Some of this must be down to blanket education where those in charge think every student wants to go to uni, get a degree and powerdress to work.

Some kids just want to shape wood and weld things for a living.

I hope she goes while there’s a Tory government in. I want to see the reaction of Call-me-Dave and his chums as Everywhere other than London and the Home Counties erupt in spontaneous rejoicing. I’m sure they’ll find it incomprehensible and will express disgust and faux outrage, while the rest of us pop the champagne corks

Ironically I can think of no greater illustration of the polarisation and social division she bequeathed to the country

“Building, Labouring? etc etc.”
Where? when the pits went, the villages and communities went, Which part of that do you fail to comprehend? In the village I grew up in, you went to work down the pit – that was more or less your choice, there werent a lot of options. I was lucky insofar as my mam and dad encouraged me to get an education, which gave me something to fall back on, but not everybody had that option. Keep going hora, your thatcherite ideology’s shining through nicely, I’m sure she’d be very proud… 🙄

I struggle with long sentences
and, being at work have no access to youtube, so don’t know if this will work or not, but of you want the thatcher philosophy summed up, see if you can’t find the “Greed is Good” speech by Michael Douglas from Wall St (Gordon Gekko was the character).

Hora either doesn’t understand or doesn’t want to understand how the loss of a huge local employer affects a community.
Overnight the money is gone. Pubs close down, shops close and local services like plumbers, builders,garden centres etc all go bust because no-one – and i MEAN no-one – has any money to spend. 600 jobs gone in a pit can mean 10’000 more people losing money and businesses because of that.

THAT is why she is hated.

My comment was referring to this:

and had had an appalling education, then stuck down the mines at 15 (this is precisely what happened to my father), what exactly would you do if you were suddently put out of work at 35? No qualifications, a recession on ….. sure, there were some jobs down South, but nowhere near enough.

Calm down.

Referring back. WHY was an area so dependent on one industry? Why as a country had we put such reliance for an area on one sector instead of a mix?

The Government at the time had to take drastic measures due to the economic situation. The country couldn’t keep running in such a way and had to control inflation. Unions wanted payrises.

Why, to this day is one person blamed and no one else is seen to shoulder the blame?

Why did the Unions call a year-longstrike surely knowing the downside could be a whole lot worse and detrimental for the whole country if they lost. Everyone loses.

As for the ‘better to have people unemployed’- bollocks. Taxes paid and money spent in the economy is much more preferable.

I just don’t agree that she was seen as the wicked witch and the source of all ills.

Are you really from the North of England Hora? You can’t be. Sometimes I think you’re from another planet. Planet Penis