EU Referendum – are you in or out?

It’s safe to say the Gammon is nearly done

Decisions on whether manifesto pledges will be fulfilled or Brexit delivered could be handed to Corbyn by a Conservative Prime Minister. We have a Government in name only. The reality is the Remain campaign began in June 2016 and is on the cusp of victory.

— Conor Burns (@ConorBurnsUK) April 2, 2019

Imposing the EU Customs Union with Labour votes would be appalling. It would break a clear Conservative manifesto pledge. Our trade policy would be made in Brussels – not Britain. I will oppose this.

— Charlie Elphicke (@CharlieElphicke) April 2, 2019

This is not a #Brexit strategy announced tonight.
It’s more like a Chinese water torture.
Drip. Drip. Drip. ? ? ?

— Michael Fabricant ?????? (@Mike_Fabricant) April 2, 2019

It is very disappointing that the cabinet has decided to entrust the final handling of Brexit to Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party. It now seems all too likely that British trade policy and key law making powers will be handed over to Brussels – with no say for the U.K.

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) April 2, 2019

I don’t like to make predictions these days, but I’m guessing that by the end of next week, using a system of ranking votes, Parliament may have voted for the PMs deal + CU and maybe even + SM. The worst of all worlds.

— Nadine Dorries MP (@NadineDorries) April 2, 2019

From Nicola Sturgeon: if MPs allow 12 April to pass with no commitment to fight Euro elections, May 22 becomes the inescapable exit day…and PM would then be able to say it’s my deal or no deal. Parliament needs to be very wary about a potential trap.

Based on the latest BBC news today you are left with two choices below.

1. Extension (with a smokescreen to revoke A50).
or
2. No deal.

Eventually No Deal will have to be tabled whether the politicians like it or not.

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I have and I’m non the wiser, it sounds like an opinion piece.

I’m no fan of corbyn but I have enough respect for him that I trust he won’t be dragged into failure by cross party committee.

If I were corbyn I do what he has said today and be open to ‘talk’ with May. That’s only decent and proper.

Then he can drop her like a hot potato and tell her to own her own problem.

the question everyone is too scared to ask.

I’m not scared to ask ,STW is on the whole a welcoming place for most things.

ah a joker….
So the question they are afraid to ask is do you want this brexit or not?

Based on the latest BBC news today you are left with two choices below.
1. Extension (with a smokescreen to revoke A50).
or
2. No deal.

I’m genuinely supprised (not really) it’s taken a BBC article and this long for you to figure this out, lol!

I’m genuinely supprised (not really) it’s taken a BBC article and this long for you to figure this out, lol!

Is it too much to hope to see some gammons crying?

Still too much to go wrong though to be comfortable.

It’ll be a no deal Brexit. There are too many Conservatives that want it and won’t vote for anything else, and too few committed people willing to stop it.

It’ll be a no deal Brexit. There are too many Conservatives that want it and won’t vote for anything else, and too few committed people willing to stop it.

170 Tory MP’s signed up for No deal, 191 voted for parliament to be able to bin no deal, so that means a lot of tories need to sign up for no deal. How may will? Some might want to get elected again.

mike I thought you might be transitioning 😉
I didn’t want Brexit.
I didn’t want a Tory government in 2017,2015,2010 ,1992,1987,1983 or 1979.
I wanted Scottish independence.
My life has been mainly one of defeat and disappointment hence my contrary nature.

Even Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May’s red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.

I very much doubt indeed that I ever said such a thing. If you think I did then you’ve either misread, misunderstood or misremembered.

Aside from the fact that I don’t believe that that’s the best we can aim for (least worst maybe), I don’t believe I’ve ever commented on the notion of “a” union vs “the” union because I think that’s of a similar degree of fictional wishful thinking to the ‘magic technology’ Ireland border.

Have we done this yet?

Two “malicious” devices were left on railway tracks in a pro-Brexit sabotage attempt, police have said.

The items were left on lines near Netherfield, Nottinghamshire, and Yaxley, Cambridgeshire, in March.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47790939

“Yaxley?” SRSLY? 😂

This story popped up on Facebook earlier. Apparently the devices would have disrupted signalling technology that hasn’t been in use now for about a decade.

Have we done this yet?

Well they did promise carnage – does this mean we can do a few on incitement?

the one at Eurostar was actually effective, I hope they send him the bill

I have and I’m non the wiser, it sounds like an opinion piece.

The point is that it doesn’t matter whether or not May and Corbyn talk, or what they agree unless our parliament passes legislation by end of next week for us to take part in EU elections. If that doesn’t happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible…at which point we leave, with or without a deal. So she has a chat to Corbyn, runs down the clock and comes back to Parliament on May 21 and says “unless you vote for my deal, we leave tomorrow with no deal”…and there’s nothing anyone (our parliament or EU) can do to stop it because we can’t elect MEPs.

unless our parliament passes legislation by end of next week for us to take part in EU elections. If that doesn’t happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible

It was said before that arrangements can be made such as extending the terms of the incumbents for a bit.

If that doesn’t happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible…at which point we leave, with or without a deal.

Deals can be agreed for longer with exceptions etc.

Again if there is a will it can work and we can remain.

I don’t know why some people on here don’t seem to understand that we won’t end up in a no deal situation. There is only minority support for it, and it’s completely irrelevant that it’s the default option. It’s analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it’s inevitable that we’re going to drive off it; it’s not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.

JP

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/02/may-has-kicked-her-brexit-can-firmly-into-corbyns-face

Guardian has a nice take on today’s antics.

ven Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May’s red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.

Not what I intended to say for sure

Corbyn should IMO stick to the position that labour offered a week or two ago. Support Mays WA ( possibly with alterations to the political declaration for a softer brexit) in Exchange for a second referendum that is between that deal and remain.

the best we can hope for is remain and now there is a very clear path

with both leaderships backing that I am sure it would get thru parliament and of course I believe a second ref would than be strongly remain

when maybot says national unity does she effectively mean half of you need to shut up and get on board…I just read her speech after 7 whole hours ( nearly a full day’s work ) she says national unity

Corbyn should IMO stick to the position that labour offered a week or two ago. Support Mays WA ( possibly with alterations to the political declaration for a softer brexit) in Exchange for a second referendum that is between that deal and remain.

Yeah but the feeling of real power might just get to him, I mean his brexit is so close, his unicorns feel so real, he can almost touch their massive horn 😉

It’s analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it’s inevitable that we’re going to drive off it; it’s not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.

JP

Does that depend upon whether the driver is of sane mind and doesn’t believe that there’s some form of utopia at the bottom of the clif that they’re driving toward?

I don’t know why some people on here don’t seem to understand that we won’t end up in a no deal situation. There is only minority support for it, and it’s completely irrelevant that it’s the default option. It’s analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it’s inevitable that we’re going to drive off it; it’s not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.

Thats irrelevant when the driver and passengers are fighting over the steering wheel whilst doing donuts on the grass above the cliffs in the the car they got from the showroom with no brakes, because they always really wanted a car with no brakes, and the elderly bearded mechanic that could help you out by fitting brakes is of the long standing opinion that brakes are also not required

She’s been banging on about “bringing the country together” ever since she became PM. It can’t be done. Parliament has to do what is best for the country as a whole, which basically means what’s best for the economy and to hell with what people voted for.

“Yaxley?” SRSLY? 😂

I know.. PMSL.. Terrorism isn’t funny.. But this.. It’s pretty **** funny, if this is the extent of the Brexiteer coup. I’m not sure why politicians are so afraid of civil unrest.

It’s almost like they are in it for thier own personal financial gain, and pretending there will be civil unrest as a smoke screen. That would make more sense.

Corbyn spells out the Labour position again. Perhaps I fell asleep before he got around to mentioning a referendum…

As for “the driver” applying the brakes… May is on a Thelma&Louise kick, and most of her MPs, members, and yes, probably most voters likely to vote Tory at the next election, will love her for it.

As for “the driver” applying the brakes. May is on a Thelma&Louise kick, and most of her MPs, members, and yes, probably most voters likely to vote Tory at the next election, will love her for it.

Last poll had no deal as 25% Supported 75% opposed, even with the stacked FPTP set up in the UK that is not enough to survive, replace her with a Brexie evangelist and they will get even less.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/explosive-no-deal-brexit-leaked-16062876
A 10% price rise and that means little posh brat might not make it to the right school and the Range Rover sales will fall…
Couple of percent the middle classes can live with, 4-5 maybe not, 10?

Perhaps this is the point the tories split? Labour need to

PS…
and I know we all know that most MP’s couldn’t GAF about NI but some great leaking going on here

I am told that “Andrea [Leadsom] requested that we go ahead with the risk of direct rule but call it something else”.

— Robert Peston (@Peston) April 2, 2019

Last poll had no deal as 25% Supported

If it comes down to no deal or no Brexit, what proportion of likely Tory voters, Tory members and Tory MPs would back no Brexit?

Oh. Emm. Eff. Gee.

[re: Leadsom]

If it comes down to no deal or no Brexit, what proportion of likely Tory voters, Tory members and Tory MPs would back no Brexit?

I think that is where the question was but try and get over Brexit being a tory idea, plenty of people can see just how bad a no brexit deal will be – many business people are tories.

Final thoughts for the night

Now we will really see what Corbyn is made of. Will he be able to do the right thing here ie second ref? If not he is finished as labour leader. He will not be able to carry his party to any sort of brexit without this

Is May serious? She will need to change her red lines and / or agree a second ref. Or is this just an attempt to shift the blame?

One thing for sure – there will be resignations from the cabinet I bet but by doing this she has probably stopped more mps resigning the tory whip

So the current Tory narrative is that Brexit, that old Tory popularity contest gifted to the nation by the pig’s head pleasurer, is now all Labour’s fault!!

Fectards

This just gets more and more absurd.. Can we post the cat meme yet, the one where it’s got a pancake on its head?

Leadsome is overdue a hoof in the arse.

Is May serious? She will need to change her red lines and / or agree a second ref. Or is this just an attempt to shift the blame?

She has no choice but to do one of these.
As a saying goes make sure you have every bodies fingerprints on the knife

Looks like May has lost the ERG in an it’s finally over, finally I mean finally kind of way, or they have lost her.

As for what Corbyn is made of as I said before Starmer and Watson need to be with him all the way, possibly with Ian Blackford right behind him reminding him what is going to happen.

TJ – corbyn doesn’t have a clue about the right thing to do. That’s a big concern but an even bigger one is the influence Milne has over him.
Milne’s influence far outweighs Starmer and Watson combined.
May is attempting to get more people into the boat with her; craven, pathetic, unprincipled, clueless. As is corbyn.

As a saying goes make sure you have every bodies fingerprints on the knife

This is exactly why corbyn should only pay lip service to may. It’s May’s problem. He can’t be stupid enough to have a deal with her, can he?

Nothing would supprise me at this point.

So, would I be correct in saying this whole situation pretty much dilutes any power the DUP had?.

At the moment the DUP are trying to work out what they have got away with