EU Referendum – are you in or out?

When all else fails launch a personal attack based on wild speculation.

Expressing concern for someone isn’t a personal attack. Are you attacking someone for sympathizing someone’s cold/flue symptoms. Wellness or lack of is noticeable on the internet, I wish you well.

flue symptoms

Don’t bring his chimney into this.

You can’t have been paying attention.

Soubry has been Tory through and through since 2010… but the 2019 Conservative party has moved a long long way since 2015. Wollaston on the other hand has always been a very independent MP… and an impressive one at that, in my opinion. One of less than a handful of Tory MPs that I could have considered voting for if, I was in her constituency. She’s the only one of the three that stands any chance of keeping her seat if we have a snap election, I suspect.

Yesterday – 25km X-C ski in glorious sunshine
Monday – nice swim in an outdoor 50m heated pool.
Sunday – Horse riding in the local hills
Saturday – MTB with the club in the morning, Horse riding in the afternoon
Friday – 12km trail run

Today I’m playing guitar and typing stuff here but I’ll go out and do something shortly. Hope this reassures you as to my state of health and well being, Taxi25. Bien baisé too if you have concerns about my sex life.

My grandfather was a Nazi. I’ve seen why we need the EU

Life sounds good Edukator, I hope your happy. But so angry about brexit and eager to find people to argue and disagree with, even though it doesn’t sound as if you live in the UK.

@ edukator, that is the French way of life where I live.

Fewer activities for me but then I work full-time 😉

I hope your happy

You’re.

Looking more & more like Brexit has broken Labour
be losing all those auto industry union subs soon too

Westminster voting intention (if IG stand candidates):

CON: 38%
LAB: 26%
IG: 14%
LDEM: 7%

via @YouGov, 18 – 19 Feb

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) February 20, 2019

With those numbers how long before lib dems start defecting to TIG

also interesting

How did people who say they'd vote for 'Independent Group' vote in 2017?
37% Labour
27% Conservative
24% Did not vote (so a note of caution…)

— Sky Data (@SkyData) February 19, 2019

CON: 38%
LAB: 26%
IG: 14%
LDEM: 7%

That 14% is irrelevant if they only have a handful of MPs as it will be spread too thinly across the country. It does appear that Labour have lost most though.

And if people still vote to leave “knowing what we know now”

Answers on a postcard to mickmcd in the outback …oz

Even I might stop whining about Brexit in that case, since it’ll be an utterly democratic decision. A foolish, short-sighted, moronic, imbecilic decision, but a democratic one.

My primary objection now is that the Brexit that a lot of people voted for is a pipe dream, and the decision should be reconsidered.

We sometimes holiday in your part of the world, Chris2lou. Weve canoed down parts of the Tarn, rented horses, Mtbed over les Causses, cycle-toured, walked and will do some skiing there one day.

Brexit is highly divisive, Taxi25, there is no middle ground. It’s as simple as the original referendum question “in or out”. It’s divided a population into two highly motivated camps over an issue that four years ago had next to no impact on most people’s lives beyond the benefits of membership. It now increasingly impacts people’s lives and the benefits are soon to go. Angry? A bit, I didn’t even get to vote.

Can I vote for Leave now? I’d like to be on the winning side.

If there was a People’s Vote and it was largely run and funded transparently and the answer was still ‘Leave’, I would accept it.

I would then start making my own plans to ‘Leave’ ASAP – but in accepting it, I would reach the logical conclusion that any country that would vote for this now they know the truth is not a safe place for me or my family.

Here’s a positive thought…..in ten years time, when the EU has imploded, the UK is surging ahead with worldwide trade deals and the economy is booming, we might all look back on the vote as being manna from heaven. 🙂

(alternatively….we might not! 🙁 )

Going back a couple of pages, someone (either Daz or Taxi I think, I can’t remember now) said:

As one of my leave supporting mates said to me recently, at some point we’re going to have to move on. He has a point. We may not like it and may be in denial, but the reality is that we lost.

This really is the core of the divide, isn’t it.

First of all, we haven’t “lost.” Remain (narrowly) lost a referendum vote two way back in 2016, but in the grand scheme of things the referendum is broadly irrelevant now. It served as the catalyst to start the process, is all. It’s as relevant today as a CV when you’ve been in a job for two and a half years.

Secondly, I’m really starting to despise this “we won, you lost” narrative. It just drives the wedge ever deeper. At the end of the day we’re all UK citizens (well, mostly) only with different opinions, and whatever the outcome in March we all collectively win or lose. (Aside from the Teflon Tory Turds at the top of the food chain who will come up smelling of roses however much shit they spread across the land, anyway.) It’s like Man United beating Man City and then crowing that Manchester won, it’s an abject nonsense. It won’t matter one jot who “won” or “lost” a referendum vote almost three years prior when we’re wondering whether we’re going to run out of food and medicine or not.

I would then start making my own plans to ‘Leave’ ASAP – but in accepting it, I would reach the logical conclusion that any country that would vote for this now they know the truth is not a safe place for me or my family.

I have already reached that point. I don’t think the UK is unsafe, it is just not very nice.

You can’t have been paying attention

Or welded to single-track **** world like some .

I’m unsure other than all the job losses why we are giving two shits about all those car and plane companies leaving us stranded on this little island….it’s not like anyone is going to be leaving or driving

Do I need to put the sarcasm emoticon

Yes we are probably going to become a feudal society and have to ask the squire in t’ big ‘ouse for permission to leave the village.

But moggy assured us several times that Brexit meant cheaper food.

Don’t tell me he was lying 😯

This much more important than all the Brexit-related drivel being tweeted about Honda today. If this is true the Brexit case that Leave = cheaper food has just gone down in flames. https://t.co/6jy02tY61O

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) February 19, 2019

Meanwhile naughty Kate Hoey…

https://libertystratcom.org/2018/04/30/brexit-breach-labour-data-was-shared-with-leave-eu-and-cambridge-analytica/

Corbyn at half eight this evening..

We will deliver the change the people of this country need and deserve.

Thanks for the clarity of your position, you stupid old goat… what is this change you speak of delivering?

Any details? No, don’t be daft.

I turned in my trot-card two weeks ago in frustration with Jezza’s ambiguities and missed opportunities.

Twitter seems to be going nuts about an unnamed Brexity MP going loopy and smashing up his office in frustration tonight. Surely not just Gove’s tariff revelation, is there potential for another high-profile refusnik before morning?

I’d suggest no.
Corbyn won’t commit to anything as he’s too frightened.
May will come back to from her meeting with her peers in the EU with nothing.

Again.

What is it, the fourth or fifth time May has gone on this fools errand?

What is it, the fourth or fifth time May has gone on this fools errand?

I reckon her and juncker are getting jiggy with it

He has a beak mark

WATCH: Jamie Driscoll – Labour's candidate to be the new North of Tyne Mayor – struggles to explain his position on #Brexit.

It is unclear whether he:
-Wants Brexit to happen or not.
-Wants a second referendum or not.@itvtynetees pic.twitter.com/43acaTou3l

— Joe Pike (@joepike) February 20, 2019

🤦‍♂️

He articulated the party policy at this stage pretty well. Plenty of time to iron out the details later…

I must have missed the bit where Jez articulated anything, maybe I blinked at the crucial part and missed it.

life is about compromise. the EU is a complex beast; some things are shitty, other things are amazing, but it weaves through all our lives making things better.

brexit will make things worse on a day-to-day, ‘what’s for tea?’ level. It will, it already is.

@bruneep tail wagging the dog.
These gutless cowards are supposed to to what’s right for the country, not do as they are told depending on which way the wind is blowing.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/21/uk-and-ireland-retailers-warn-of-40-tariffs-on-food-in-no-deal-brexit

Don’t worry though, we will overcome food shortages and price hikes with a positive outlook and a happy disposition. Those most in need can find nourishment through smiles.

https://news.sky.com/story/barclays-sets-aside-150m-to-cover-uk-uncertainty-11643395

£150M? Is that all?

These gutless cowards are supposed to to what’s right for the country, not do as they are told

They are doing what they were told because we had a referendum, in most cases against their personal views… I’m no leaver but you need to think about the impossible situation they are all in rather than just whatever insult feels cathartic.

They are doing what they were told because we had a referendum, in most cases against their personal views… I’m no leaver but you need to think about the impossible situation they are all in rather than just whatever insult feels cathartic.

That doesn’t excuse the entire incompetence of how it has been handled since the ref.

Perhaps they should exercise some judgement, given where we are now, as opposed to where those they disagreed with said we would be nearly three years ago.

They are doing what they were told because we had a referendum, in most cases against their personal views…

If all your mates decided to jump off a cliff would you follow them blindly over it. Or would you go, “hang on, this is madness, and try and convince as many of your mates to not jump off a cliff”

herd mentality <> the right thing to do

If all your mates decided to jump off a cliff would you follow them blindly over it.

Mate, I’m not a 9 year old kid.

The situation is complicated by the fact that it’s an MP’s job to do what their constituents want. So it’s absolutely nothing at all to do with ‘herd mentality’.

That doesn’t excuse the entire incompetence of how it has been handled since the ref.

That’s absolutely true, and I am if anything MORE cross about that than the ref result. This whole mess is the fault of May and Cameron. By even proposing a vote as early as she did, May boxed in parliament.