EU Referendum – are you in or out?

At what point do we look to the future and try to heal the wounds?

It will be easier to heal the wounds lying in a hospital, rather than a muddy puddle.

I certainly don’t want to spend the rest of my life arguing about bloody Europe.

I hate to break it to you. This is just the withdrawal agreement stage. If they ever agree that, then the proper talks begin.

The genie is out the bottle now, we have years and years of this to come.

Still surprised that people haven’t worked out that when we Leave, the upheaval is set in motion for a decade or more

Indeed who looks at the chaos of the last 3 years and thinks that negotiating 70 odd trade agreements & our future relationship talks with the EU mean anything other than a decade of division & uncertainty?
Having seen the incompetence of the brexiteer Tories now calling the shots, Is there anyone naive enough to think they’ve got a plan for the really complicated bit?

As one of my leave supporting mates said to me recently, at some point we’re going to have to move on. He has a point.

Step 1 – resolve the current massive issue about the method of leaving.
It highlights the lack of understanding about the situation when people thing we should just get on with it, with no concept of what it is.

I work for a team in an insurance company were we act as UK Handling agents, so essentially we have contracts with 48 different insurers throughout Europe and Turkey, to date we have spent £13.1 million purely on having those contracts re-worded, thats before the endless hours of meetings and the fact that if there is a “no-deal” Brexit, a lot of those contracts will not be worth the paper they are written on.

We deal with personal injury claims brought mainly by UK Nationals against foreign drivers in either the UK or in Europe, so now the Ambulance Chasing style of solicitor is using the potential No-Deal Brexit as a way of litigating claims that do not need to be in the search for costs, it is chaos, each time we think we have our backs covered in the contracts and legally, we find they are useless.

Definitely expect your insurance premiums to go to, plus the need for a Green Card to travel to Europe shortly.

That is without the human cost, because of the work we do i have people from 16 different nationalities working in the team, Poland, Romania, Italian, Spanish etc, many are uncertain of their future, whether they want to be here still and some have faced blatant abuse on the phone.

Every day we have to listen to UK claimants, come out with abuse and stereo-typing about the Polish lorry driver that hit them or the Dutch holiday-maker that they hit, who had done nothing writing, but still deserves abuse.

Many of them brought here because they are married or have UK partners, i have seen rushed marriages and tears a plenty. The day after the vote, there were 5 or 6 ladies who were in floods of tears.

The only good thing i have seen from all of this was my French colleague, who having lived with her English partner for 38 years here in Norwich, he proposed to her on her 60th birthday…

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/19/brexit-britain-disabled-son-separated-mother-settled-status

I know three UK nationals who have applied for French nationality since the Brexit vote. One now has a passport, another is in the final stages and the one who left it longest is still at the providing papers stage. Note that’s nationality, not a fob off “settled status”. None of them would meet the minimum income requirements were they applying in the UK.

4 pages later same old, same old.

Moan_moan_moan

I know three UK nationals who have applied for French nationality

Brilliant they will be able to turn a nation that does know how to protest into a set of Bedwetters, just because they didn’t get their own way.

4 pages later same old, same old.

Moan_moan_moan

So tell us what to be cheerful about then, go on what makes you happy about the situation?

philxx1975

Member
4 pages later same old, same old.

Moan_moan_moan

It’s ok you know, if you admit that you never realised Brexit was going to be such a shitshow & that you were simply misled by the likes of Johnson & farage, we’ll embrace you & we can get on debating the real issues the country faces.
I know it’s hard admitting that you were wrong, but we’re here to support you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/timesredbox/status/1097473303487209474/photo/1

Oh FFS. How do you post up a twit?

At what point do we look to the future and try to heal the wounds?

I’m always trying to do that. Won’t stop me being pissed off.

Brilliant they will be able to turn a nation that does know how to protest into a set of Bedwetters, just because they didn’t get their own way.

Got anything to add to the debate or did you just come on to complain? Is it because you have no idea what you are talking about?

Brilliant they will be able to turn a nation that does know how to protest into a set of Bedwetters, just because they didn’t get their own way.

I’m not quite sure what you’re on about here. People living happily in a place have that right removed by Britain and France steps in to give them the same rights as they had before. They most definitely got their way. Cake and eating it in fact. Kept the old but useless passport and got a new one too.

So tell us what to be cheerful about then, go on what makes you happy about the situation?

I don’t think the poster is happy about the situation. But having a purely negative attitude will make you unhappy. Putting a positive spin on a difficult situation is a good way of maintaining your mental health. Allways looking on the bright side of life if you can’t personally change the bad side is an effective survival tactic.

Allways looking on the bright side of life

So why the **** did you vote Brexit?

Brexit was all about negativity, it was based on decades of negativity towards an organisation that had brought prosperity to the UK, the EU! This was how the brexiters got Brexit:

But having a purely negative attitude will make you unhappy.

By playing on negativity and unhappiness.

The people I knew (because I’ve now cut them off) who hated the EU were negative unhappy people (which is another reason they got cut off).

I don’t think the poster is happy about the situation. But having a purely negative attitude will make you unhappy.

Agreed, which is why we are asking you, mooman or phil to provide something to feel good about.

Putting a positive spin on a difficult situation is a good way of maintaining your mental health.

See above. Put a positive spin on it. Just saying “it’ll be alright” isn’t positive spin, it is a best a statemet of optimism at worst self deception. Even spin has to have some basis in fact. So give us those facts that we can put positive spin on and you never know, we may come round to agreeing with you.

Allways looking on the bright side of life if you can’t personally change the bad side is an effective survival tactic.

Rolling a turd in glitter doesn’t make it less turdy. Taking physical steps to change something can help, just telling yourself that X is true when it demonstrably isn’t can’t help in the long run. Self-deception is a damaging thing and is one of the things that led to this in the first place. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging people to do more of it. But I am a long way from believing that we, individually and collectively, can’t change this to stop any further damage happening.

But having a purely negative attitude will make you unhappy.

Denying your feelings will also cause mental health problems.

I don’t have a purely negative attitude towards life, just Brexit. For many many reasons. You can’t neutralise Brexit by simply saying ‘it’s done now forget about it’. It is what it is – a complete self-inflicted disaster – and it’s not going away. I’ll live my life of course I will, but my life is now that little bit more shit than it was thanks to Brexit.

So why the **** did you vote Brexit?

You’ve said this before and I’ve said before that I voted remain. Any temptations I had of voting leave ended when I realised it would be a negative thing for the country. But leave won. Anything I post now are just my thoughts about how I and perhaps others can deal with the realities of the situation.
I don’t do running around saying the sky’s falling. I try to remain positive for the sake of my family and myself, because I’ve found that works even if it’s just to mentally accept something.
I hope for most this thread is a way of letting of steam, get it of your chest and then get on with things. But I do have real concerns (as much as you can for strangers on the internet) for some posters 🙁

I don’t do running around saying the sky’s falling. I try to remain positive for the sake of my family and myself, because I’ve found that works even if it’s just to mentally accept something.

But people keep accusing others who are posting legitimate concerns, evidence of job losses, and the massive issues facing the UK as “Sky’s falling in”, as far as I’m aware a positive outlook doesn’t produce insulin.

The Tory breakaway group is go.

taxi25

Member

If it was just a common market in, but it’s not so I’m out. No idea about the consequences of a successful out vote but I’m prepared to find out.
Posted 3 years ago

The Tory breakaway group is go.

I’m not a tory fan in the slightest, but Anna Soubry has actually impressed me with her pragmatism recently. I’m not sure whether I applaud her joining a new group, or would rather she stayed as a dissenting voice among the swivel-eyed.

Same, Anna Soubry brings a little bit of hope, the labour deserters have so far been lightweights, maybe now some more substantial mp’s could join in and take a lead.

Hopefully the trickle could become a flood, or maybe the party leaders could realise they have backed the wrong horse in those they have been trying to appease .

Moomman can’t give a chapter and verse explanation about the positives of brexit because there aren’t many.

Many? I haven’t heard one yet.

The timid love on here for Anna Soubry!

She has done some nice voting against the most deprived in society and hangs in her constituency by a thread. Will there be a ‘people’s vote’ on her current position I wonder?

taxi25

Member

If it was just a common market in, but it’s not so I’m out. No idea about the consequences of a successful out vote but I’m prepared to find out.
Posted 3 years ago

You posted that a couple of weeks ago, and I told you then my opinion developed and I changed my mind. How many times do I have to tell you the same thing. Honestly Edukator your one of the people who I’m concerned about.

Up until a couple of months ago you were still coming out with Brixit or brexit apologist stuff, Taxi25. Up to and including page 1353 of this thread. If I missed a statement of changed opinion before the referendum or even in the days after please link it.

I reckon you became a remainer at least two years after the vote.

Honestly Edukator your one of the people who I’m concerned about.

What? Concerned about about real world people who will make pragmatic logical choices that Brexit imposes. Such as Madame who hasn’t oraganised a school trip to the UK for her kids since the vote. You work out how much that was worth to the British economy. 16 years of around 20 000e a year plus whatever the kids spent out of their own pockets.

It used to be so easy to visit London. ID card – check, ticket – check, credit card and a few pounds – check. Any issues it was the ECJ that was the ultimate decider so the teachers felt happy about the legalities and risks. EU teachers born in the UK won’t even benefit from consular protection on trips to the UK in future. **** that, it’ll be less risky to take them to Holland, Scandanavia, Canada – in fact most anywhere with a French/German/… consulate other than the UK

I don’t do running around saying the sky’s falling. I try to remain positive for the sake of my family and myself, because I’ve found that works even if it’s just to mentally accept something.

This thread can be a bit negative, still lingering on the defeat that was based on lies and the current cluster**** going on.

My positive attitude is that we will return to the EU, and I will do whatever it takes to make it happen. But first, there will be a lot of cleaning to be done before our house is in order.

and I told you then my opinion developed and I changed my mind

People are allowed to change their minds.

We should probably also allow them to vote based on their 2019 views, rather than their 2016 ones. The chance of them getting that opportunity is getting slighter and slighter though… in fact easy to argue that the time has already passed, sadly (and I think quite deliberately).

Leave it Edukator, belive you’ve found a fifth columnist brexiter if you like.Personaly I think your probably not a very well person at the moment. 🙁🙁

My positive attitude is that we will return to the EU, and I will do whatever it takes to make it happen. But first, there will be a lot of cleaning to be done before our house is in order.

Not very far from my thinking.

I hope for most this thread is a way of letting of steam, get it of your chest and then get on with things.

It’s this. I may be on here a lot, but I’m actually working on my day job and also thinking about DIY and other stuff.

Hopefully my new job, should it ever actually happen, is going to be a bit more insulated from UK economic performance, and it may open the door to re-settling elsewhere (now that I no longer have the right to do this I need to exploit the remaining possibilities).

Personaly I think your probably not a very well person at the moment.

lol

When all else fails launch a personal attack based on wild speculation.

Leave it Edukator, belive you’ve found a fifth columnist brexiter if you like.

I believe it.

As for the out and out trolls (before just adding them to the killfile and forgetting about them), just be aware that they are also on the Daily Mail website pretending to be Karl Marx to get a reaction there too.

Odd, odd people.

When all else fails launch a personal attack based on wild speculation.

Wasn’t he banging on about being all lovey-dovey about a page ago. Seems a wild turnaround. Doesn’t seem very errr stable?

At what point do we look to the future and try to heal the wounds?

For some of us the wounds created by brexit are damaging our health.

I have progressive MS and later on this year was due to be admitted to a european wide medical research into the effect of the gut micro biome and the immune system, quite possibly a cure or at least a halt to the progression of my disease – now cancelled/put on the back burner.

So there you go….**** the brexiteers, **** their petty small minded bigotry, **** their total ignorance and callous behaviour, **** their misguided anger towards the EU and if i had the chance i’d line up every single one of them and mash their pugnacious faces into the ground till they choke on their own bile.

There you go, that’s how i will heal my wounds

I nearly forgot

EU health card – check

Post 29/3 I’m going to have the same rights to health care in the UK as a migrant turning up on a rubber boat, without the ability to claim refugee status. And I was born there FFS.

Honestly Edukator your one of the people who I’m concerned about.

Personaly I think your probably not a very well person at the moment.

You’re.

**** me soubry has gone

thought she would have tory in letters running through her if you cut her in half

Sadly somafunk’s story is only one of many there will be as we crash out of many joint European medical and scientific groups.

So, you Brexiters and “not a Brexiter but willing to accept the result and jolly well get on with it”‘s, give me some good news.

**** me soubry has gone

thought she would have tory in letters running through her if you cut her in half

You can’t have been paying attention.