Donald! Trump!

Incase anyone’s in any doubt which direction Trump is going to head in regard to Israel and Gaza

An alternative point of view:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/11/11/no-trump-will-not-be-worse-than-biden-for-palestine-and-the-middle-east

I suspect that the only significant difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden projects the image that he cares about the Palestinians (whilst supplying Israel with the weapons and hardware to slaughter them) whilst Trump frankly couldn’t give a shit about such pretences.

I love how the first move to trim government is to with zero irony set up another government department,  then say that it isn’t a government department.  How long for the Department of Propaganda and Doublespeak? Although I guess that would require an element of literacy. I was quite depressed last week but I now have a feeling we might get a fair load of unintentional humor among the daily  WTF, WTAF, SWTAF?

I am hoping someone is selling Trump is a Cword t-shirts as a mark of respect to Janey Godley.

I love how the first move to trim government is to with zero irony set up another government department

One with two leaders.

then say that it isn’t a government department.

Technically, it isn’t. A department can only be established by an act of congress, the President can’t just create them as he sees fit. The word “department” doesn’t really describe its status.

It is a government entity, it’s purpose is to do the work of government.   It will need a budget, or will Musk just walk about firing people at random.  Actually I shouldn’t joke that is probably exactly the plan.  Until they get the work camps set up of course.

 It will need a budget

Which has to be approved by congress if it’s a department. If it’s just a few people working out of the Whitehouse as advisors to the President, it’s not a department.

Musk, Trump, and many of their advisors are used to operating in the private sector where bosses have a lot of freedom to run things as they want. Working in government is a different game and I don’t think Musk will have the temperament to stick at it.

Trump and Musk don’t want to “work in” government as it is generally understood.

It’s all written down in Project 2025 what they want to achieve. They want teardown current structures and norms, then re-build in their vision, to ensure the Democrats will be basically unelectable. Sounds a bit fascisty to me.

All these people who were saying Trump v2.0 isn’t going to be that bad, just look at the team he is assembling.

All these people who were saying Trump v2.0 isn’t going to be that bad, just look at the team he is assembling.

I have no doubt it’s going to be bad, but we really don’t know what he will manage to do. Trump doesn’t really have policies, he has whims, which often contradict each other. For example, he’s pretty serious about not liking immigrants and wanting to deport them, but deporting 10 million workers would leave many industries desperately short of workers so that would cause inflation. The lobbyists for those industries would lobby the White House for relief so it’s possible it would end up as a proposal for a guest worker visa program, which is exactly what the MAGA crew do not want so you’d end up with a battle within the administration between the business lobby and the MAGA hardliners. Same with tariffs. Trump doesn’t seem to understand how they really work and campaigned strongly on them, saying they could replace income tax. Problem is, if he imposed the sanctions that he promised, they would cause massive inflation and business leaders would lobby for relief from them. So he’s going to end up with his advisors all fighting about what to do and having to choose between economic chaos or backing down on his campaign promises. Nobody knows what he will end up doing, just that it’s unlikely that he will find things as easy as he imagined and that it will probably get very messy very fast.

I honestly think Trump will just talk nonsense, soil himself and play golf.

However, the people around him are truly dangerous.

He will allow them to run rampage.

Expect to see Vance as POTUS within 3 years.

Trump and Musk don’t want to “work in” government as it is generally understood.

It’s all written down in Project 2025 what they want to achieve. They want teardown current structures and norms, then re-build in their vision, to ensure the Democrats will be basically unelectable. Sounds a bit fascisty to me.

All these people who were saying Trump v2.0 isn’t going to be that bad, just look at the team he is assembling.

Absolutely this.

I am hopeful that some of the structure will be too strong for them to disassemble. Hopeful that some voices of measure and balance prevail, that they can make good enough arguments as to why things should be done a particular way. I hope that there will be an international effort, that business* and economics* make a case for caution and balance. But maybe not.

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*I see from some pension funds that the US funds have rocketed since the election….

will Musk just walk about firing people at random.  Actually I shouldn’t joke that is probably exactly the plan.

I’ve recommended this book before, but it’s essential reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk

Basically “firing people at random” is exactly what happened last time round. Some of it wasn’t entirely random.

Anyone who was an Obama hire, or vocal Obama supporter: FIRED

Anyone who believed in climate change: FIRED

Then there were lots of others just randomly fired despite being SMEs or having decades of vital experience

It will be even worse this time round

Has anyone got a link to Project 2025? I can’t find one, but from what I remember reading it some month ago, is it’s somewhere between every conspiracy theory and Mein Kampf, and the general destruction of the American state structure. I’m surprised how few people seem aware of this and its contents.

Nobody knows what he will end up doing, just that it’s unlikely that he will find things as easy as he imagined and that it will probably get very messy very fast.

I think within months things might start going dramatically wrong. Deporting millions of immigrants is going to be a logistical nightmare and ruinously expensive. Aside from all the legal battles that will ensue I can see large scale civil unrest over it. Millions of people ripped out of their homes, away from their families and work places… It sounds and will look absolutely dystopian.

If his other actions also drive inflation up, after it being such a huge factor in his campaign, it could become an absolute Gordian knot of unintended consequences and very public arguments.

This is the Project 2025 website. Trump tried to distance himself from them during the campaign because many of their ideas are extremely unpopular. How much they will succeed in getting done is anyone’s guess, Trump will throw them under the bus if he thinks they are a liability to him.

https://www.project2025.org/

I’m surprised how few people seem aware of this and its contents.

The Dems heavily focused on it but as it turns out, cost of living overruled that with voters. With a heavy dose of immigration rhetoric thrown in of course.

I have to say, I get it, lofty ideals don’t put food on the table, I’m not trying to dismiss that reality but thinking Trump will solve the problem… I do have issues with that. Lol

I think Project 2025 should be chilling to any American but evidently it isn’t. It’s like their ‘roided up Britannia Unchained basically.

This is the Project 2025 website. Trump tried to distance himself from them during the campaign because many of their ideas are extremely unpopular. How much they will succeed in getting done is anyone’s guess, Trump will throw them under the bus if he thinks they are a liability to him.]

He’s done more than distance himself – he was actively encouraging his rallies to boo them (whatever the **** he thought that is supposed to achieve)

The thing Musk and Project 2025 have in common is they have ideas of their own they want to achieve and see Trump as a vehicle to achieving that because Trump has no ideas of his own. He has nothing he wants to do as President. He just wants to be President – he’s an empty vessel and they both think they can use him to their own ends.

They join a very long line of people had the same idea last time round. Each one in turn thinking that it would all be different when they try to work with Trump because they are smart in ways that the last guy wasn’t.  However everything Trump touches dies.

I reckon Elon will be lining himself up to run for president…..

I reckon Elon will be lining himself up to run for president…..

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A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process. A tradition, of course, that Trump didn’t carry out when Biden won, as Trump, unlike Biden, doesn’t actually give a shit about his country.

How you can look at Harris, conceding defeat, calling trump to congratulate him etc… then look back to Trump’s attempts to defy the very democracy that he says he loves and think, “yeah, the Dems are DEFINITELY the bad guys here” if beyond me. Utter madness.

The cult of Brexit, not needing facts or credibility, Judy belief and simply personified in orange painted flesh this time and in another country.

If his other actions also drive inflation up, after it being such a huge factor in his campaign, it could become an absolute Gordian knot of unintended consequences and very public arguments.

He will blame someone else for everything that goes badly and a large percentage of his supporters will believe every word

He will blame someone else for everything that goes badly and a large percentage of his supporters will believe every word

Yep, cult leader in chief, even so, the electorate won’t treat him (or whoever replaces him in the next 4 years?) kindly at the ballot box in ’28.

He’s made some absolutely huge promises that even a government based upon meritocracy would find hard to achieve. Fair to say his government is based upon unquestioning loyalty, well, until he fires them and they go public with their grievances. Musk, im looking at you. 🙂

A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process.

Biden should’ve hoofed him in the nuts, then pardoned himself

A little sad to watch Biden and Trump in the oval office as part of the handover process

I bet it took ages. Old people do everything at half speed.

Biden should’ve hoofed him in the nuts, then pardoned himself

Lol, that mate me laugh. As long as he hoofed him in the nuts, officially, he’d have been fine as you say.

I bet it took ages. Old people do everything at half speed.

As did that. 🙂

Trump’s (and Musks…) first set back. I wonder if it’s a sign of things to come?

Having hundreds of billions of dollars may be enough to purchase a social media company and land an all-access pass to the president-elect’s inner circle, but the US Senate still does what the Senate wants.

Florida Senator Rick Scott was Elon Musk’s endorsed candidate for Republican Senate majority leader – and, by implication, Donald Trump’s preference. But in secret ballot voting, the Republicans in the chamber quickly opted for a more traditional pick, South Dakota Senator John Thune.

Thune had served as the second-ranking Senate Republican for four years – plenty of time to win over his conservative colleagues in what is, essentially, a popularity contest. Scott, on the other hand, was more of a firebrand – who promised the kind of confrontational conservativism that is more typical in the House of Representatives.

In the end, the Senate – typically regarded as the more genteel congressional body – opted for the smooth-talking South Dakotan.

It represents a bit of a setback for Trump and his team, who likely would have preferred a more aggressive partisan in the top spot, ready to discard Senate traditions and procedures to advance his agenda. The more vocal of Trump’s Maga faithful are sure to complain.

Thune, however, is an talented legislative operator. Like his predecessor, Mitch McConnell, he may move slowly but he knows the levers to pull in the Senate to get results.

had to google that very helpful response.

are you saying he isnt elgible? i read it as if he needed to be a resident for 14 years, which i presume he is?

anyway i reckon thats his game plan

i read it as if he needed to be a resident for 14 years, which i presume he is?

No. Someone need to be US born, and also at least 14 years resident. It’s not either, it’s both.

The birther movement is behind one of the most popular right-wing conspiracy theories. Elon Musk will never be able to stand in a US presidential election.

Is the acronym for Musk’s “department” DOGE?

Will it be pronounced Dodgy?

Some of Trump’s  nominations sound like very bad news for Gaza.

Notwithstanding @ernielynch ‘s post earlier on about Biden’s willingness to supply weapons

Sounds a bit fascisty to me.

Really? No! Can’t believe you mean that!

Watching Elonia Musk as Diaper Don’s new First Lady is a truly unedifying spectacle.

What America doesn’t realise yet is that removing all those immigrants is not only going to be almost impossible, as there’s no country going to be willing to take them back, but the damage to America’s food supply will be enormous; it will be impossible to replace them! America doesn’t have a labour shortage among actual registered Americans, there’s just nobody who can replace all those workers doing  jobs that most Americans wouldn’t do anyway.

Inflation will start to rise, prices will rise, especially when the taxes on imported goods start to bite, and Americans will realise what FAAFO means.

Bit like Brexit then?

They have lots of prisoners and they have made them work before.

Looks like Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General

pothead
Free Member
Looks like Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General

Alledged child sex trafficker. Allegedly. Which he Denies I should add.

This was shared by a friend on FB, I think it will fall apart before it gets as fast as he speculated,but it’s a sobering thought

Trump says he’s going to deport 20,000,000 people from the US.

Seems like he’s serious.

I think he’s serious about it, given that the guy he plans to put in charge is pretty damn serious about it.

Of course, a lot of you are still in denial. Oh, c’mon, Jim, he won’t really do that, you tell me.

I saw an interview with a Latino fellow who came here illegally, got the amnesty from Reagan, and supports for Trump because reasons and he’s pretty sure Trump not only won’t deport him, Trump won’t deport all his illegal friends and relatives because they’re “family orientated” and that would be “unfair.”

Donald Trump, a man known for his … fairness.

I think some of you people might be on some really good drugs.

Now, if it was just one guy, you could call him a deluded nut and move on. But it’s not. It’s not just one guy. Latinos went overwhelmingly for Trump and they’re on TV right now telling you why.

Don’t ask me why. I don’t know. I can’t explain it why the chickens decided to vote for Mrs. Tweedy.

I can’t.

But, I think Trump is going to do it.

I think Trump is going to deport 20,000,000 people.

Or least, I think Trump THINKS Trump is going to do it. He’s sure talking like he intends to do it. His supporters sure want him to do it. He’s announcing the Reich Ministers he intends to appoint to his administration and THOSE people sure as hell intend to do it.

Whether or not they’ll succeed, they’re for damn sure going to try.

And I don’t know why anyone, no matter what kind of weed they’re smoking, would believe anything else at this point in history.

So Trump is going to try and deport millions of people.

He’s going to have to build facilities to concentrate the immigrants so they can be “processed.”

He going to need some sort of force to round up millions of people on a national scale, to seek them out, to find them, to arrests them, detain them, and transport them securely to the camps. That’s not just armed goons, that’s organization, command and control, communications, intelligence, supply, logistics, training. That’s a quasi military slash secret police operation with extra judicial powers. There’s no other way to do it.

Those concentration points, those camps let’s call ’em, will need massive infrastructure, to manage and process that population, they’ll need thousands of guards, security systems, transportation systems, and so on. They’ll need people to train the guards and the security personnel, that whole military/law enforcement training apparatus. Drone pilots. Camera operators. Information Technology types. Cooks. Laundry. Supply. Hell, they might even make a pretense of legal review, so you’re going to need lawyers and administrators and doctors and social workers and preachers and so on. We’re talking MILLIONS of deportees, this an enormous undertaking. Several orders magnitude beyond anything tried before.

AND, you’re going to have to secure the border to keep MORE immigrants from getting in, otherwise this is just jerking off and eventually voters are going to figure out they’re getting hoodwinked.

And if you do actually deport these people, well, then you need some sort of downrange process, pilots, aircrew, ground crew, bus drivers, mechanics, fuel, specialized guards for that part of the operation (guy who guards a fence requires way different training and equipage than a guy guarding people on an airplane, for example), you need infrastructure in foreign countries. And so on.

How’s he going to pay for it, you ask?

Who cares?

They’ll find the money. There’s always money to build this sort of thing. Hell, they’ll have an enormous labor pool just sitting there, one they can MAKE work for free — and don’t think some smart guy (cough Stephan Miller cough) won’t figure that out pretty damn fast.

Yeah, they’re going to do it.

Bet on it.

They might only deport a million people, but they’re going to do it.

But here’s the real question: Once he deports those people, then what?

Those concentration camps, that military force used to round up undesirables, and that processing infrastructure will still exist.

So, tell me, what do you think Republicans will do with it?

Looks like Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General
Alledged child sex trafficker.

Just saw that on BBC website. Not being judgemental or anything, but he looks like a crook.

MoreCashThanDash
Full Member
This was shared by a friend on FB, I think it will fall apart before it gets as fast as he speculated,but it’s a sobering thought

Trump told a reporter a day or so back, “a promise mate is a promise kept.”

Whoever wrote that is right, Trump is absolutely going to try to deport millions of people. The question is, will he succeed, or rather, how many does he deport before there is some sort if push back. That push back will be against the government mind you… so that might not go well.

Know about segment of the private sector that has had it’s shares rocket since his win? The companies that run the private prison systems over there. They are banking on him keeping his promises too.

I’m undecided on how this Trump term will go. Not that I think it will be good. He has no like of, nor allegiance to the P25 nut jobs. There were a lot of useful people to get him elected/out of jail, but the only thing he cares about is himself. Anyone who thinks they can manipulate him will soon find themselves on the outside.

What’s the deal with this fire? It’s like a sodding raptor engine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l735ewz8o.amp

Trump is absolutely going to try to deport millions of people.

I am puzzled how anyone can feel certain about that. I have no idea whether he will try or not but I do know that anything he says should be treated with scepticism.

I am not sure that anything Trump says should be treated seriously when so much of it is clearly nonsense.

Did deportation of illegal migrants not actually fall during Trump’s first term of office, despite all his rhetoric? I believe that Barack Obama deported almost twice as many illegal immigrants (2.9 million) in his first term than Trump managed to in his first term.

Maybe he will give it a good go this time, dunno, but I would frankly be surprised if he put much effort into it. I don’t know how much the US economy would benefit from it and whether US citizens would be greatly interested in any employment opportunities it might create.

I get the impression that generally speaking Trump supporters are not massively bothered if he gives a bullshit explanation as to why he hasn’t delivered on a promise. If the US economy does reasonably well, and I am not yet convinced that it will nosedive under Trump, then it won’t be much of an issue.

Although I don’t take sufficient interest in US politics to know whether I might be completely off the mark.

bearnecessities
Full Member
What’s the deal with this fire? It’s like a sodding raptor engine.

Hell fire, Satan knows trump is good for business.

(Turns out Satan’s playing the long game and is heavily into fossil fuels.)