Donald! Trump!

J.D.Vance on the Joe Rogan podcast got a good review in The Telegraph today – this is my third post and its politics again 🙂

I’ve not watched the Rogan stuff… I just think he’s a bad actor and a bad person from some of the previous suff I’ve seen of him.

Him ‘interviewing’ trump and Vance I’m sure will just have been a ‘circle jerk’ as they might say in the US…

But I have absolutely no intention to find out… I already know all I need to know about Trump and Vance from the things they have already said on air, live.

And a cosy curated sit-down with a mysoginist like Rogan is not going to change that.

this is my third post and its politics again

Great news! You’re clearly enjoying it here with such intense levels of engagement but plenty more to talk about.

Kurtan
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J.D.Vance on the Joe Rogan podcast got a good review in The Telegraph today – this is my third post and its politics again ?

I’ve no problem with you paying to amuse us. 🙂

I wont be replying to you again after this though, if others wish to, that’s up to them.lol

I thought Trump came across well on the Joe Rogan podcast, sense of humour, something missing from any interviews I’ve seen with Harris or Walz.

I have never listened to Rogan before. Trump comes across as being very laid back and talks at ease (I’ve got about halfway through).  The issue is that Rogan gives him an easy ride, is conversational and just lets Trump talk.  He is never challenging, rather just accepting of anything Trump states, he’s just another sycophant offering a platform and validation (the gleeful giggle from Rogan when Trump states he is a fan of his it’s particularly sickening).

If you listen to a few more of Rogan’s podcasts you’ll see that is his style, letting the interviewee talk. It brings out some entertaining insights into the guest, the one with Elon Musk is good and the one with Mike Tyson and his thoughts on Cus D’Amato.

My money is on Kamala Harris to win and win easily.

If she does, I can hear his winey voice  now, “nobody can believe she can get more than me, our ballots were amazing, our polling was amazing, they are nasty people, far left fascists who have stolen the USA again” then it all kicks off again.

Hopefully this time it’ll be stopped quickly and more permanently as there is previous to support a stronger approach.

That is assuming he doesn’t win…I’m going to be regretting posting that if he does and he does go all out on revenge! If he does win then he will be using a line about having previous to justify the madness he’ll inflict.

DickBarton
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Hopefully this time it’ll be stopped quickly and more permanently as there is previous to support a stronger approach.

That is assuming he doesn’t win…I’m going to be regretting posting that if he does and he does go all out on revenge!

My heart says Harris will win but my head says Trump will.

At the moment i think it seems pretty inevitable.

Comrade @Kurtan, shouldn’t you be out on the town in Moscow tonight?

Some interesting stats that show the enthusiasm that this election has generated:

Voter enthusiasm is high, with Democrats more enthusiastic than Republicans. More than half of U.S. votes are likely to be cast before election day (and a pile of other stats in a Gallup article) https://news.gallup.com/poll/652853/half-votes-likely-cast-election-day.aspx

One interesting stat is that new voters turning out early include large numbers of Democratic women in Pennsylvania and Republican men in Arizona. Popular vote % have been closer in swing states than in other states, however, Penn is a swing state with 19 electoral college votes (ECV), the largest number amongst swing states, while Arizona has only 11 ECV.

Arizona is traditionally Rep, but Dems took it in 2020. Penn has always been close-run; Trump won it in 2016 and was elected, Biden took it in 2020 and was elected

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/early-voting-data-shows-new-voters-group-swing-election-rcna178187

My money is on Kamala Harris to win and win easily.

That is my gut feeling as well, I even think they might flip a republican state or two. I think if Harris wins it will be a comfortable victory, but the worry that Trump could win is still a very real nightmare.

I have a confession…

I absolutely want Harris to win for obvious reasons.

There is also a deep, dark part of me that wants her to win putely as I have a morbid fascination with what will happen when millions of EXTREMELY angry MAGA types, many with guns, are told by Trump and what is now a well oiled machine behind him, that the election was stolen. Again.

Come on, you are all wondering too. 😉

I’m with you apart from the well oiled machine part. It mainly seems to be idiots judging from the mob that stormed the capital last time. The same type of ‘survivalist type’ who cried because they couldn’t have their mullet trimmed in lockdown. I genuinely think Trump will win and that puts us another step closer to Idiocracy becoming a reality.

Question for those people who have put money the election result at the bookies…

How will the bookies determine who won? (As any failure to “win” by Trump will obviously be contested)

The difference this time of course is that trump is not in the white house, Biden is. Much as trump will squeal if he’s defeated at the ballot box, it’s difficult to see where any kind of Jan 6th repeat goes, other than to prison. The security services are going to all over it like a rash.

The uncomfortable part is if, and it’s a big if, the election gets contested and makes it to the Supreme Court. Ill be honest, I have no idea if that is even possible in US law, but it does make you pause for a moment when you consider where that’s been going and why. But it’s a long road of state by state challenges, and frankly many days of head in hands despair at the utter bullshit of it all simply because trump is incapable of saying, yep, fair play. I concede. You got more votes.

He’s a cheat, so I imagine he thinks the other side must be cheating too. Otherwise how else could he have lost?

If you listen to a few more of Rogan’s podcasts you’ll see that is his style, letting the interviewee talk. It brings out some entertaining insights into the guest,

Which is fine if you want to know more about the person he is ‘interviewing’, but becomes a problem when it’s being used as a political stage for a candidate to talk rubbish without being challenged.

The orange one really doesn’t like Liz Cheney does he!

I think it’ll go right down to the wire.  Harris will win the popular vote, but Trump will take the college by 30+ points with the entire election decided by less than 200k votes.

Bickering aside.. It should be pretty obvious who’s won at the end of election night.

There will be a lot of squealing from the Republicans though… So it might not be officially declared for some time after.

Bickering aside.. It should be pretty obvious who’s won at the end of election night.

If its close the counting could take days and the legal battles weeks-

win or lose Trump will declare victory almost straight away, I dont think it will do the country much good if the legal wranglings drag on, theres a lot of crazies with guns! A decisive victory either way would at least spare the country that.

THe difference to 2020 is that Republicans have been putting lots of work into screwing over the election mechanics. Lots of dodgy folk on election boards locally etc

There is some discussion on twitter that as the republicans currently hold the house, and if HArris wins, its likely the Dems win enough seats to take the house, the republicans will, for phony reasons, delay the confirmation votes for the house on Jan 3, so that it is still effectively republican on Jan 6th, and then the house will not confirm a Harris win. (This is suspected to be the secret between Trump and Mike Johnson that Trump talked about last week)

That’s probably when PoopScoop watches the TV through his fingers or from behind the sofa ?

I should try and stay off twitter…….

Interesting Podcast about close US elections and how it all works on the Dan Snow History Hit channel.

funkmasterp
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I’m with you apart from the well oiled machine part. It mainly seems to be idiots judging from the mob that stormed the capital last time.

Sorry, I meant to say, the people behind Trump, rather than the gun toting plebs. The real power brokers. I’m sure ive read on here and online in general, that a whole mechanism has now been prepared to formally and “by other means” contest the election if he loses. By other means, I don’t mean a conspiracy involving the military or anything, just a concerted  effort to stir up real national unrest and violence. Trump would basically just be the front man, pushing the narrative, others would be doing the real work behind the scenes.

In ’20 I don’t really think even most of his supporters in the GOP etc were really prepared for him to totally deny the GE loss, they just went with it. Now I think it’s basically GOP official strategy and they will be way better organised this time.

That’s probably when PoopScoop watches the TV through his fingers or from behind the sofa?

I’ll be full on exoecting the zombie apocalypse at this point. Mind you, that’s far less scary than President Trump 2: Time to go Ape Shit.

Unless he “turns” whilst still in office of course. I mean, could a doctor even tell the difference between normal (lol!) Trump and Zombie Trump?

Unless he “turns” whilst still in office of course. I mean, could a doctor even tell the difference between normal (lol!) Trump and Zombie Trump?

Is that what the orange facepaint is hiding?

Now I think it’s basically GOP official strategy and they will be way better organised this time.

Having now finished the JD Vance podcast, I get the impression they’ve put a lot of effort into preparation for this scenario. It’s quite scary.

I have some possible work travel coming up – was going to be Austin, TX next weekend, then maybe Phoenix AZ early Dec. The corporate America i interact with seems mostly to be assuming that everything will work out fine – but I’m not sure if I want to be in Arizona when they might be arguing about who won the state

Mrs fadda is visiting family in Texas for a week from tomorrow – how worried should I be…?

I’m going to be in Texas next week. I am not worried. It’s already filled with craziness; little is going to change that.

Edit: I tell them I don’t understand American politics.

I tell them I don’t understand American politics.

You’ll be in good company then. 😉

How will the bookies determine who won? (As any failure to “win” by Trump will obviously be contested)

I think most have a “selected by electoral college as of this date” rule.

Although did see that one of the “blockchain” based ones had it based on the consensus of its users. Which could prove interesting.

Unless, by some bizarre miracle, TX flips blue. Then all hell is probably going to break loose!

Mrs fadda is visiting family in Texas for a week from tomorrow – how worried should I be…?

fadda
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Mrs fadda is visiting family in Texas for a week from tomorrow – how worried should I be…?

Thought of having a henna tattoo on your forehead saying “Vote Harris”? Or “I Like Harris” which is slightly more acceptable over there but might get a few looks over here in the departure lounge I suppose.

I stayed in a couple of hostels in Houston. One of which I was pretty sure I was likely to get murdered in. By the owners. The house looked like one out of a horror movie and the owners and the interior were even worse.

Then I got a greyhound to New Orleans and felt like I’d get murdered. By pretty much everyone. Loved it there though.

Not sure I ever want to go back to the US again. A few illusions id held for decades were well and truly destroyed which still saddens me. I really did learn that just because Americans speak English is a very alien country. To my eyes anyway.

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Unless, by some bizarre miracle, TX flips blue. Then all hell is probably going to break loose!

Best time for North Korea to nuke America, no one will be able to agree what the hell actually happened and be too busy shooting each other.

As I said a few pages back I am flying in to phoenix on Tuesday, if you want I could do a live feed from downtown Scottsdale!!

TX flips blue. Then all hell is probably going to break loose

It’s possible that ted cruz might lose, tho unlikely but would be very funny

I’d be so happy if Cruz lost. He’s a proper ****. Even the Texans don’t seem to like him. Smarmy **** bastard.