Donald! Trump!

See the whole nazi/racist stuff, it really brings nothing to the conversation. You’re just enacting a pantomime.

Because there was no racism when Obama was running for President. And his time in office was a blissful utopia that was in no way marred by racial violence and civil unrest. Nope. Trump started this.

Trump’s election does seem to have given a lot of racists the confidence to raise their voice; in much the same way as Brexit has, here in the UK. In this case, it was with specific reference to the election of Trump.

The fact that Trump’s statements have, on occasion, sounded rather racist, appears to have made him the pin-up boy for the far right elements of the Country. Not his fault? Well, any true statesman would have chosen their words more wisely, if that wasn’t their intended outcome. As it was, he did it time and time again, so it’s hardly surprising that it has had this effect.

flange
Err…Trump….He’s the president!? There are morons in all walks of life, some of those morons are racist, sexist, homophobic or more than likely a combination of all three. But I always find it beneficial to ensure that one of said morons sharing such values isn’t the bloke in charge…

Remember when white supemracists were going to assasinate Obama if he got elected? Remember Trayvon Martin? Remember hundreds of unarmed black men shot by police in America every year for dubious reasons? Remember Black Lives Matter? Remember Micah Xavier Johnson killing five police officers in Dallas because they were white?

All happening when Obama was the bloke in charge. Trump is the symptom of something here, not the cause.

you just come across as a bit of a gun loving racist….

ahh that meme guy has finally been identified

Russell Brand hasn’t aged well…

Which you have yet to deny

😆

You must be loving all these far right marches and stuff yeah? I bet they even carry guns whilst ranting swoon#

True dat:

ahh that meme guy has finally been identified

I wish I had that much hair

Remember when white supemracists were going to assasinate Obama if he got elected? Remember Trayvon Martin? Remember hundreds of unarmed black men shot by police in America every year for dubious reasons? Remember Black Lives Matter? Remember Micah Xavier Johnson killing five police officers in Dallas because they were white?

All happening when Obama was the bloke in charge. Trump is the symptom of something here, not the cause.

No one is saying racism hasn’t existed all along, they are saying that Trump’s election appears to have given a public voice to those who hold racist views.

Why did the “ape in high heels” woman wait until Trump was in the White House before saying something like that, huh?

I agree, Trump is the symptom, but the disease has certainly come to the forefront since the election.

Is that the Black Panthers who were formed for matters of self defence, ninfan? Or, much like the miners, are you trying to use a single image to confirm in your own mind a distorted view of facts?
Perhaps those who made the minorities resort to such methods of self defence should be put under the spotlight.
Would they be racists that you’re supporting?
What sort of person supports racists?

Would they be racists that you’re supporting?
What sort of person supports racists?

Depends what you’re asking if I support them doing?

I fully support anyone’s right to free speech within the law – racists, islamists, thugs, bully boys, right wingers, left wingers, Communists, Maoists, Trotskyists, neo-Trotskyists, crypto-Trotskyists, union leaders, Communist union leaders, atheists, agnostics, long-haired weirdos, short-haired weirdos, vandals, hooligans, football supporters, namby-pamby probation officers, rapists, papists, psychopaths, fascists, neo-fascists, crypto-fascists, loyalists, neo-loyalists, crypto-loyalist. As long as they’re not breaking the law, then they all have a right to say what they want, and I support that.

Sorry if that chides with your statist, nanny knows best, censorious viewpoint.

“I fully support anyone’s right to free speech within the law”

I don’t think anyone is arguing against ‘free speech’. So why have you brought it up?

The discussion is about xenophobic supporters of Donald Trump. Who do actually exist. This is indisputable’ despite the best attempts by revisionists to deny it.

You made the comment about ‘lefties jumping up and down accusing people of ‘ist’ and ‘ism”, when people were discussing the overtly xenophobic nature of many of Trump’s supporters. So we’re not allowed to call racists, racists now? What was it you were saying about supporting the right to free speech?

And what’s with the dig at ‘lefties’? Why no similar criticism of the far-right, xenophobic supporters of Trump, of whom, so far, you appear not to have been critical. Which might lead some to believe you may be sympathetic towards. You’ve certainly not asserted yourself as a person opposed to xenophobia. Indeed, you’ve even gone as far as accusing those asking you to explain your own views, as having a ‘statist, nanny knows best, censorious viewpoint’.

Doesn’t strike me as someone who is ‘just not tied to any particular dogma’. Far from it.

discussing the overtly xenophobic nature of many of Trump’s supporters. So we’re not allowed to call racists, racists now?

So which are they, xenophobic or racist?

Typical leftie.. you do get that the two things aren’t the same, right?

Why no similar criticism of the far-right

Because they’re not the ones jumping up and down in hysterics because Trump won, or saying that he shouldn’t employ people because they said, or didn’t say, or published, or didn’t publish something that they don’t like.

Typical leftie.. you do get that the two things aren’t the same, right?

Oh dear.

Edit; I really can’t be bothered. You’re just an attention seeker, trolling for reaction. You do know this, right?

“Because they’re not the ones jumping up and down in hysterics because Trump won, or saying that he shouldn’t employ people because they said, or didn’t say, or published, or didn’t publish something that they don’t like.”

But I thought you were a supporter of freedom of speech? I do wish you’d make your mind up…

No, I just fundamentally disagree with you, and you can’t handle losing the argument.

Nine Inch Nails are rubbish btw…

“No, I just fundamentally disagree with you,”

Oh that’s very clear. Very clear indeed.

I abhor and oppose all forms of xenophobia, and will always challenge those who espouse such views, and you fundamentally disagree with me.

Glad we’ve cleared that up. Not that it actually needed clearing up, but it’s nice that you’ve finally confirmed what most of us already knew.

“you can’t handle losing “

I wasn’t aware that this was some sort of ‘competition’, to be ‘won’ or ‘lost’. Because that would surely imply there was a particular perspective that was the ‘correct’ one. And surely, in the context of debate, only the most illiberal fascist would think that. Wouldn’t you agree?

flange – Member
Nine Inch Nails are rubbish btw..

now that is 100% wrong

NIN are fcking amazing and fortunately Trent is diametrically opposed to ninfans political stance

It is surreal. I’ll admit that I was entertained during the Republican debates and the whole process of whittling them down. It’s kind of fun to see a grenade go off and see these guys—I hate every one of them—be eliminated and humiliated. But it stopped being funny months ago. It’s sad to see the discourse be dragged this low. It’s absurd that this is even happening.

Are you worried about Trump’s lasting effect on the political landscape?

I’m absolutely terrified about that. Hopefully Trump will flame out any minute now, but the effect of him—or he himself—is not going to go away, and there’s going to be an awful lot of very energized followers.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/14/trent-reznor-on-the-rise-of-trump-it-s-absurd-that-this-is-even-happening.html

I imagine Trent will find a way to numb the pain

Why did the “ape in high heels” woman wait until Trump was in the White House before saying something like that, huh?

Why didn’t the hordes of people posting actual racist abuse about Obama wait until Trump was elected? Why are there thousands of images of Obama’s face superimposed onto monkeys circulating online for years? Why were there signs up showing him being hanged?

Who the hell knows what “ape in heels” woman was posting on her Facebook last week. Whatever it was clearly wasn’t newsworthy, unlike anything tying Trump to a sporadic outbreak of racism.

I agree, Trump is the symptom, but the disease has certainly come to the forefront since the election.

It’s the biggest news story in the world at the minute by some margin.

ninfan – Member

No, I just fundamentally disagree with you, and you can’t handle losing the argument.
Interesting choice of word in the context of one who is extolling free speech.
No one is saying that free speech is a bad thing, so no argument has been won. Unless you mean a different opposition of viewpoint.

@clod read your posts rather than have this thread get derailed on Israel we should move on.

No one is saying racism hasn’t existed all along, they are saying that Trump’s election appears to have given a public voice to those who hold racist views.

Whilst I agree with this I think the media are giving more prominence to the incidents in the wake of the election. Under 8 years of Obama we have had incidents of what are basically executions by police (inc black officers) of black citizens. Hence BLM. Under a black President these incidents have increased. So yes the issues very much existed before.

Instead of throwing rocks at Ninfan and I why not watch those two videos and work out a new plan to apply to debate in the UK as IMO the parallels are there, “UKIP are racists swivel eyed Daily Mail reading loons” has ended up with Brexit and calling “Trump a Nazi” has ended up with him being POUS. I see the same thing in France with Le Pen – they keep calling her and FN the “extreme right” and her vote share just keeps going up. As Ninfan says if you want a different result you need to try a different approach inc taking the issued raised seriously.

To be honest president and ape always makes me think of George W, although I am willing to consider Trump going forward.

Obama and Obama always come across as fairly serene, statesmanlike and intelligent.

Well, if I can shoot rabbits, then I can – you know…

I’m pretty sure someone will.

I’m not a racist!

“UKIP are racists swivel eyed Daily Mail reading loons” has ended up with Brexit and calling “Trump a Nazi” has ended up with him being POUS. I see the same thing in France with Le Pen – they keep calling her and FN the “extreme right” and her vote share just keeps going up. As Ninfan says if you want a different result you need to try a different approach inc taking the issued raised seriously.

the issue was raised seriously it was dismissed a ‘project fear’ and ‘the opinion of experts’

the politics of hate & fear used by brexit and trump, do need countering, recognising that racsim and bigotry are just the start, more needs to be done to mittigate the effects these votes have had on our countries.
Brexishambles is doing a nice job of illustrating that it was the wrong decision, it wont be too long before people more people realise how bad trump will be, but I agree much more needs to be done to steer the people away from the gutter press and demagogues offering easy answers

Instead of throwing rocks at Ninfan and I why not watch those two videos and work out a new plan to apply to debate in the UK as IMO the parallels are there, “UKIP are racists swivel eyed Daily Mail reading loons” has ended up with Brexit and calling “Trump a Nazi” has ended up with him being POUS. I see the same thing in France with Le Pen – they keep calling her and FN the “extreme right” and her vote share just keeps going up. As Ninfan says if you want a different result you need to try a different approach inc taking the issued raised seriously.

I’m quite happy pulling folks up on their inaccuracies and lies, eventually there will be traction and the idiots that support this crap will disappear (or we’ll be at war). Then you can ask yourselves what you did to prevent the divisions. And the answer is that you have done nothing. You have, in fact, promoted the divisions.
I see no harm in asking ninfan to justify his posts. Most of them are shite anyway and there has been no justification and coming up with a freespeech argument is priceless.
Some of my best friends are black, including an ex-girlfriend.

Some of my best friends are black,

Sweary warning:

Of course, niether was being racist, they were just taking advantage of free speech. God bless free speech, it helps identify the idiots. One of them has friends who wouldn’t call them a racist (birds of a feather and all that) 😆

Captain what happened there was a disgrace, both fired I believe

On your other post I have been advocating for 3 years here we should treat immigration as a serious issue and not brush it under the carpet or call those raising concerns racists. I absolutely believe EU expansion amd freedom of movement has been the cause of inflamed tensions. Treat the issue seriously and move to visa based immigration.

Captain what happened there was a disgrace, both fired I believe

No, no, no, it was just free speech. Why should they have been fired? Free speech is good, after all (I read that somewhere). Or is this free speech wrong but other free speech OK? I get confused.

Come one, you can call me an Ape but not a Black person.

Try exercising free speech about israel and see how well Jamby practises what he preaches

Ah, Israel, remember you wanted Clinton for president:

Well, if I can shoot rabbits, then I can – you know…
I’m pretty sure someone will.

“Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

It’s a shame, in a way, that all the gun nuts support him.

Ian Dales interview with Trump from a couple of years ago – Trump in much more reasonable mood :

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dales-2012-interview-with-donald-trump/

Ah, Israel, remember you wanted Clinton for president:

No, I wanted Sanders.

remember you wanted Clinton for president:

In a run off with Trump I would even vote for you 😉

Junky there have been plenty of discussions about Israeli and government policy where different views have been expressed. My views support the actions of the UK, European and US governments.

No, I wanted Sanders.

Saunders said he was 100% for Israel btw and they had the right to defend themselves from the terrorist attacks.

I decided to see what Breitbart had to say about their CEO and him being anti-Semitic. Breitbart has a Jerusalem Office btw, I would guess the person writing is Jewish based on his name – David Golddman

David P. Goldman writes that the current attacks on former Breitbart Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon are an expression of rage from the “defeated and humiliated elites” who cast their lot with losing presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
From PJ Media:

All the existential rage of the defeated and humiliated elites is now focused against Steve Bannon, the architect of Trump’s victory, the media genius who won the battle with less than a fifth of the financial resources at Hillary Clinton’s disposal.

I know Steve Bannon, and have had several long discussions with him about politics. Steve is fervently pro-Israel, and it is utterly ridiculous to suggest that he is anti-Semitic. Other observant Jews who know Bannon, for example Joel Pollak, attest to his support for Israel and friendship for the Jewish people.

All we have learned from the sewage-storm directed at Bannon is that the Establishment plays dirty and that the formerly Republican #NeverTrumpers aren’t just misguided ideologues, but also yellow-bellied, gutter-crawling, backstabbing, bushwacking liars. Hell hath no fury like a self-designated elite scorned.

They hate Steve Bannon because he beat them fair and square on the battlefield of social media. He is the President-elect’s most effective general. Trump’s enemies can’t reverse the results of a national election, but they can try to cut the incoming president off from his popular base.

All we have learned from the sewage-storm directed at Bannon is that the Establishment plays dirty

Trump is the establishment, he just tired some jedi mind tricks and made you think he’s just a poor boy from a poor family.

Spare him his life from this monstrosity?

Bismilah