[Closed] Does anybody actually believe crop circles are made by UFOs?

Probably not on STW, but in the real world Im sure you will find someone. Afterall, its no different to believing in a magician that lives in the sky 😉

Aren't you about 10 years too late to this?

and not drunken students from the nearby college

Of course it was! Well, that and pissed up Moonrakers after a good fill of 6X!

Too late? Why? Was it all exposed as students 10 years ago?

Stop it with the crazy talk. You'll be saying Santa isn't real next.

Too late? Why? Was it all exposed as students 10 years ago?

I thought it was all exposed as a couple of old boys having a laugh on their way back from the pub about ten years ago. All done with a plank of wood and some string.

Wheat or Barley squashed flat is a pain to combine

Jeez, anyone who'd believe it was aliens should get their head examined - preferably the open top examination.

Anyone with any understanding of science knows it's a result of moonlight faerie dancing.

why do you never see incomplete or rubbish designs then?
they're always perfectly geometric shapes.

Have you not seen ancient aliens on the history channel? Of course it's aliens

this one:

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[url= http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/germany/Andechs2012b.html ](some people really take this seriously....)[/url]

was made by a friend of mine and five of his mates in 2012 just south of Munich. done over two nights. when they were done the called a local paper and saying they had just been walking the dog and found this massive circle.

within a day the area was swarming with people; people with crystals, people with cameras, people with a "connection". there were even a few sick people who were carried to the centre of the circle to help them fight their sickness with the positive energy.

when the farmer came to harvest his crop there were people laying down in front of the combine harvester....

probably wasn't helped that the location is called "Heiligeberg", or "Holy Hill"..... 🙂

if you can understand German, these are really funny.....

(skip to 2:15 for the combine and translate the description under the vid for a laugh)

[url= http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andechs+kornkreis&sm=3 ]like really seriously.....[/url]

within a day the area was swarming with people; people with crystals, people with cameras, people with a "connection".

So sadly true! And not just in Germany, Wiltshire, too! 🙂

...was made by a friend of mine and five of his mates in 2012 just south of Munich.

Fair do's, that's some impressive circlage.

Too late? Why? Was it all exposed as students 10 years ago?

Pretty much yes.

(Not specifically students, but exposed as the work of "pranksters" in general)

Alpin, thats great. I bet one of your ancestors did a similar trick with some fish and bread 🙂

Unidentified Field-Flatterning Oiks? Yes, I believe they exist...

Rachel

If you had a UFO, would you waste all that time and fuel flying to Earth just to leave a crop circle then fly home?

This is the one and only crop circle I ever had a wander around. Somewhat impressive.

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10 years too late? More like 20 shirley?

OP

Nope

To be honest, never really figured out why a complex pattern made in crops (it's never a potato crop circle is it?) was ever supposed to be the work of Aliens or whatever.

I mean, if you wanted to communicate, just leave a fricking note if your too shy to say hello. Or if you've just landed to stretch your legs and probe a cows anus, why have your engines designed by Spirograph. Although I suppose it might be the alien equivalent or neon light strips on a Clio 1L.

I think Hope A2Z and galpher need to have a chat with some of these guys, they are missing a trick for some nice disc designs.

the late, Dear old Reg Presley certainly did.

I'd rather spend my royalties on other pursuits but good on him...

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/features/regpresley.shtml ]BBC link[/url]

In recent years, The Troggs' frontman, Reg Presley has become as well known for his obsession with crop circles as for penning evergreen pop hits like 'Love Is All Around' and 'With a Girl Like You'.

Indeed, in 1994 when Wet Wet Wet spent a whopping 15 weeks at number one with their cover of 'Love Is All Around', Reg famously joked that on receipt of the imminent royalties, he'd finally be able to devote all his time to investigating the mysterious field formations.

The same aliens who made a crop todger in a field near Stourhead, Wilts?

wrecker - Member
Stop it with the crazy talk. You'll be saying Santa isn't real next.

😯

Best Crop Circle ever:

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I reckon there all made by richmtbguru.

It would require belief that crop circles are UFO-made however it would not require belief to say that only a few are made by pranksters.
Quite what entities makes the rest of them is [i]unknown[/i].
This was from 30th December in California - no way did a bunch of students make that in the night.
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2014/01/elaborate-crop-circle-spotted-in.html

In this report the police officer describes what are commonly known (among UFO/ET researchers) as Nordic aliens at a crop circle http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6394256/UFO-alert-police-officer-sees-aliens-at-crop-circle.html

MI5 exposed in hoaxes: http://www.richplanet.net/detail.php?dbindex=209

Who knows what else is "out there"? Remember we once were sure the earth is flat...

There's loads that appear next to Chilbolton Observatory - bearing in mind that it's RIGHT NEXT TO 2 military air bases and a massive no fly zone with lots of "special" radar there are designs that have appeared in under two hours there.
One was a 6 figure mathematical equation that took their own computers almost three days to calculate - that appeared in under two hours between Apache patrols with no break in radar coverage and nothing showing.
Bearing in mind their radar covers anything bigger than a badger for close on 8 miles in every direction.......

Who knows what else is "out there"? Remember we once were sure the earth is flat...

Quite right; however I doubt that 'they' would tease us with their presence by symmetrically sabotaging our porridge capabilities.

They exist alright, but circles rather than the fancy fake designs.
When crop circles first attracted the Woo crowd, my father in law grunted something on the lines of "They've been around since I was a lad", (1940s) and specified what fields they happened in. He was a farmer in Wiltshire, a few miles from Warminster & Westbury, and a grumpy cynical old sod, so I believed him.

This was from 30th December in California - no way did a bunch of students make that in the night.

Why not ? Any particular reason ?

If anyone still thinks UFO's are responsible for crop circles. Think about this.

It is known that 90% of crop circles appear in England. If there is a link between UFO's and crop circles, then why is that more than 90% of UFO sightings are reported in places other than England?

Are the Crop Circle UFO's a special type that don't get spotted as easily as the ones that don't do Crop Circles?"

Its not just crop circles though. Me and a few mates built Stone Henge after a long weekend on rough cider in 1986. 4 guys, two sack barrows, jobs a good un.

They exist alright, but circles rather than the fancy fake designs.
When crop circles first attracted the Woo crowd, my father in law grunted something on the lines of "They've been around since I was a lad", (1940s) and specified what fields they happened in. He was a farmer in Wiltshire, a few miles from Warminster & Westbury, and a grumpy cynical old sod, so I believed him.

I don't think anyone's denying they exist. Rather, we're suggesting that rather than being extra-terrestrial in origin, they were in fact crafted by a couple of old blokes on the way home from the pub using a plank and a bit of rope. Largely because they admitted to it about twenty years ago. The rest are copycats; as soon as they made the news everyone started doing it.

Here's some aliens, in 1991.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
within a day the area was swarming with people; people with crystals, people with cameras, people with a "connection".
So sadly true! And not just in Germany, Wiltshire, too!

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/countzero1/11658873684/ ]Crop Formation, Avebury.[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/countzero1/ ]CountZero1[/url], on Flickr

There was another one, below Cherhill White Horse, which had daft Americans talking in serious terms about how it was sending a message, there were serious vibrations emanating from it...

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Bearing in mind their radar covers anything bigger than a badger for close on 8 miles in every direction.......

Which would therefore suggest that the most logical answer is that it was made by people FROM the observatory...

Especially since the design wasn't a mathematical equation, it was a resemblance of the world-famous Arecibo Message that was transmitted into space in 1974. It was supposed to represent a possible "reply" from an alien civilisation.

You can even watch how they did it here:

Ooh, an alien website.

http://www.circlemakers.org/case_history.html

Cougar,

rather than being extra-terrestrial in origin, they were in fact crafted by a couple of old blokes on the way home from the pub using a plank and a bit of rope. Largely because they admitted to it about twenty years ago

Yeah, but why bother in the 1940s when the fields the circles appeared in weren't en route to any pub? And why continue for 3 decades without any publicity whatsoever? Yes, there were fakes, but those were in the 70s. I doubt that the blokes who owned up to circle-making were old enough to drink when my father-in-law first got them.

Yeah, but why bother in the 1940s when the fields the circles appeared in weren't en route to any pub? And why continue for 3 decades without any publicity whatsoever? Yes, there were fakes, but those were in the 70s. I doubt that the blokes who owned up to circle-making were old enough to drink when my father-in-law first got them.

So, if it wasn't those two blokes.......the only other possibility is Aliens then ?

Hmm, so it sounds like there are two possibilities:

Option 1:
•Intelligent extraterrestrials must exist.
•These intelligent extraterrestrials must have the ability and the desire to visit Earth in spaceships capable of traveling millions of miles across space and sustaining their occupants for years in order to make the trip.
•These intelligent extraterrestrials must have a reason for wanting to come to Earth for the purpose of pressing weird designs in to fields of grain.
•The process of creating crop circles must be done without the possibility of these extraterrestrials being witnessed in the act of doing it.

Or Option 2:
•Some human beings must have the desire to play a prank.
•Some human beings must have access to a board, a piece of string, and a baseball cap.
•Some human beings must have some knowledge of geometry.

Yeah, but why bother in the 1940s when the fields the circles appeared in weren't en route to any pub?

Well,

a) based on a sample anecdote of "one", it's entirely possible that your FIL is either mistaken or lying,

b) it seems unlikely that the fields aren't between [i]someone's [/i]house and a pub somewhere, and

c) the presence of the pub, or the field being on a pub route, whilst almost certainly inspirational, is not mandatory.

"Hey Doug, what say we go and play a joke on the farmer after this pint?"

"Nah Dave, it's just not possible. After all, we'd have to go slightly out of our way."

Aliens, clearly.

Yeah, but why bother in the 1940s when the fields the circles appeared in weren't en route to any pub?

Just for the record, beer consumption peaked around 1874, at which time it provided around 30% of the exchequers revenue. Second only to cotton, and employed over 1.5 million people in the uk directly and indirectly.

The production of beer during the Second World War was a serious business treated with surprisingly high importance by the UK government.

Some of the results of "alternative" brewing techniques however, where quite unpleasant but still quite effective.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/22/george-osborne-beer-cultural-value

Attitudes changed by the second world war. With bombers attacking the home front, beer and pubs were an essential morale booster. Beer was never rationed, and Churchill personally mandated that every fighting man at the front must receive eight pints a week.

😀

Much as my father-in-law & I disliked each other, I believed him about this. The drunken idiot theory wouldn't produce so consistent a phenomenon. Farmers tend not to be mistaken about damage to crops, especially as the breeds available in the 40s to 60s were harder to recover after they'd been laid flat.

However, knowing the location I can think of two other potential explanations for his circles that don't involve faking: downdraft winds / willy-willies , as the fields in question were close to the edge of Salisbury Plain; or the results of military trials, as the farm is not far from a number of testing ranges and 20 barren miles from Boscombe Down.

You underestimate the idiotic determination of a drunk man on a mission.

crazy-legs - Member
Which would therefore suggest that the most logical answer is that it was made by people FROM the observatory...

Let me rephrase that as you didn't understand it the first time...

The Apaches radar will find anything bigger than a badger.
The Apaches passed over on a night calibration run, two hrs later they passed over again and the circles showed up on radar.
ZERO livings things for miles around big enough to be seen, no sensors triggered internally at the observatory, bearing in mind the whole place is wired out to 2 miles in a combination of security and sensory devices 😉
The Chilbolton dish is one of the only ones worldwide than can look below the horizon and is sometimes used to look at individual raindrops and their effect on transmissions so it doesn't miss anything!
There are photos there going back to the 30's of stuff that has appeared in the surrounding fields always over a matter of hours.

So it was aliens then ?

Uh huh, http://oldcropcircles.weebly.com/uk-1940-41-earl-shilton.html

The circle was discovered by a farmer friend

I bet it was 😀

[url= http://web.archive.org/web/20041013062350/http://www.seti.org/general/ao_message_crop.html ]SETI didn't think it likely[/url]

Edit piem' "What the fox ?" 🙂

There are written descriptions of crop formations, usually attributed to Old Nick, back in the 18th Century, they were usually just simple circles; explanation seems to point to some sort of electrical or plasma phenomena.
But who knows, really.
I've got a rather nice circlemakers.com tee shirt, with a CAD-type drawing of one of the more complicated designs on.

Hammyuk,

All this information you have about the security arrangements at Chilbolton, is it from a source that believes the crop circles were done by aliens by any chance ?

Nope - it comes from being there that evening and seeing the shit storm that was occurring from Middle Wallop when the Army Air Corp shit themselves first hand!

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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/countzero1/11716662654/ ]Crop formation, Avebury[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/countzero1/ ]CountZero1[/url], on Flickr

ZERO livings things for miles around big enough to be seen, no sensors triggered internally at the observatory, bearing in mind the whole place is wired out to 2 miles in a combination of security and sensory devices

OK, I'll bite.
Why on earth would you do that? Chilbolton is predominantly weather related and (from my limited knowledge of atmospheric chemistry - I was more an organic synthesis kind of chemist...) atmospheric stuff tends to happen well, upwards. In the atmosphere. So you point your radar, lidar and microwave stuff upwards.

Why would you need to detect a badger moving along in the grass 2 miles away? You'd have sensors tripping all the time, alarms going off and it generally being a total pain in the arse.

One was a 6 figure mathematical equation that took their own computers almost three days to calculate

What's a six figure equation? Do you mean sixth degree polynomial? And do you mean solve rather than calculate?

You do realise of course that the answer could have been calculated elsewhere in 3 days and then written onto the crops.

Bearing in mind their radar covers anything bigger than a badger for close on 8 miles in every direction.......

Now I'm only a Physics graduate and not a weapons expert but I'm sceptical of this!

ZERO livings things for miles around big enough to be seen

Apart from the village of 1000 people within a kilometre. Obviously.

Do they have a pub there?

Cougar - Moderator

Do they have a pub there?

No, you don't.

Given the vastness of space the chances of alien life existing is, statistically, pretty high.

The odds of little green men turning up one day in rural England in the early 90s, drawing geometrical shapes in fields when no-one's looking, and then sodding off again without actually making anything that we'd recognise as "contact," is comparatively low. Especially when, you know, [i]we actually do know how crop circles are made.[/i]

Because let's think about this for a second. Let's say for the sake of argument that aliens are visiting us, secretly. This is an advanced civilisation capable of travelling a very, very long way, so can either travel really fast or have very long lives and a lot of patience. Or, I guess, some sort of suspended animation. Let's say they're also advanced enough to find us, some pimple of a planet in 3D space in an otherwise unremarkable solar system.

So why on Earth would a civilisation far in advance of our own come all this way just to flatten grass? Have they mistaken the planet's dominant life form? Are they harbouring a pathological hatred of crops? Are they [i]really [/i]gluten intolerant? It makes no sense, none, zero, even if you suspend disbelief long enough to assume that the explanation is remotely possible, let alone the most likely explanation.

I could, just, accept that these are from the result of an alien craft landing. That's how the alien theory came about, IIRC. But that would necessitate that they're all the same pattern, all the same size; if they're not then we're looking at dozens of different craft, hundreds, all landing once never to return. On one rainy little island out of the entire planet. Quite where they all hide during the day, I'm not sure.

So no. It's not likely to be aliens. Unless they've travelled billions of light years solely to screw with us. Not because aliens don't exist, but because as should be patently obvious to anyone who thinks about it for longer than five seconds, they've almost certainly got better things to do.

I've never been responsible for any crop circles, certainly not in a field near Wethersfield air base in the mid 90s that was quite some distance from the pub.

😀

The splash in the puddle on the way home from the pub tonight was circular. Does that mean I am alien?

Cougar +1. Would be a shame though if Voyager survives a crash landing on a planet containing intelligent life only for a couple of aliens to proclaim they cobbled it together when they got home from the pub! What a sad end that would be for the poor craft.

But that would necessitate that they're all the same pattern, all the same size; if they're not then we're looking at dozens of different craft, hundreds, all landing once never to return.

To be fair Cougar, if I landed in this weather I'd probably piss off straight away and never come back.

Cougar - Moderator

No, you don't.

Given the vastness of space the chances of alien life existing is, statistically, pretty high.

The odds of [u]little green men[/u] [b][false assumption no.1][/b] [u]turning up[/u] [b][false assumption no.2][/b] [u]one day in rural England in the early 90s[/u] [b][false assumption no.3][/b], drawing geometrical shapes in fields when [u]no-one's looking[/u] [b][hmm, will let this one slide, but you're wrong][/b], and then sodding off again without actually making anything that [u]we'd recognise[/u] [b][will address below][/b] as "contact," is comparatively low. Especially when, you know, [i][u]we actually do know how crop circles are made[/u][/i] [b][false assumption no.4][/b].

The 'message' in the crop circle may work on a level above your mind's conscious thought. They may not even be for you humans at all, they could be a message to other rival ETs. Not everything is about you.

Because let's think about this for a second. Let's say for the sake of argument that aliens are visiting us, secretly[b][5][/b]. This is an advanced civilisation capable of travelling a very, very long way, so can either travel really fast or have very long lives and a lot of patience. Or, I guess, some sort of suspended animation. Let's say they're also advanced enough to find us, some pimple of a planet in 3D space in an otherwise unremarkable solar system [b][6][/b].

So-called rational, logical people like yourself just assume they know everything and are happy to slam the door on the possibility there could be more than you're aware of. Amazing!

With your logic, the Nazca lines were drawn by drunk ancient Peruvians as a prank to baffle STW readers 😆

^^^^
This reply wins the Internet for today......

DrP

[i]Probably not on STW, but in the real world Im sure you will find someone[/i]

Build it, and they will come....

Bloody hell!!!!!!!

David Icke is on the forum!!!!
What bike to you ride and what tyres for the reptillan illuminate?

Oh, and just one ickle request from me. Can you link to your sources please?

With your logic, the Nazca lines were drawn by drunk ancient Peruvians as a prank to baffle STW readers

Nah, they'd have been drawn by people with a tape measure and a firm belief in a sky wizard living in the sky.

You can see the Nazca lines from local hill tops. Additionally, the drawings (scrawling) are actually pretty crap. I'd expect anything capable of interstellar travel to be better

They [i]may[/i] also have been drunk.

Ahem

The pods can be ground into flour or used to produce beer.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-nazca2-2009nov02,0,2088132.story#ixzz2pK0AIjLU

Oh, and just one ickle request from me. Can you link to your sources please?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=c0ed630ae463f7610d665227b52c87b8&f=19

HTH 😀

Crop circles? Work of aliens?

That's balls! All the extra-terrestrials are too busy posting on here.

With your logic, the Nazca lines were drawn by drunk ancient Peruvians as a prank to baffle STW readers

OK, so Nazca is the alien landing zone. And then they have to schlep half way round the world to a field in Hampshire to draw a circle in the grass?

Is that not like the intergalactic equivalent of a Ryanair flight, dropping you off in an entirely different city?

Don't even know where to start with citizensmiths craziness.

So much batshitmental stuff to go at and so little time

Turn the internet off mate, seriously, it's not doing you any good at all.

Of course, a more plausible explanation for alien involvement is that there is a lack of 'drunk flying' laws in interstellar space. And they're all just stopping off for a waz behind a tree and decide to screw with the talking monkeys for cheeky giggles.

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http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Teaser

Cougar - you forgot the explanation given to us by the oracle [Adams].

So, it checks out!

....and why do aliens only visit just prior to corn / wheat harvest?

piedi di formaggio - Member
....and why do aliens only visit just prior to corn / wheat harvest?

Probing season.

Probing season.

They seem to "probe" mainly in the MidWest USA

The UK is Mainly for crop circles.

And flying really fast is done mainly near Military Test Facilities (oddly enough)

Ever heard of anyone getting probed in a really fast flying UFO that stopped briefly to make a crop circle ??

Thought not 😉

They are very particular about keeping their hobbies separate it seems.